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IkariGendo
I dislike these posts because any sort of different opinion will be downvoted, called ignorant and be treated as opposition.
HoneyandFire
NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T. RAPISTS RAPE BECAUSE THE RAPEE IS IN AN OPPORTUNE SITUATION. Rape happens because the rapist is a psycho.
mousestar
where i come from rape is rape and one of the severest crimes you can imagine, fuck me right?
AgingLiberalDouche
No. Because that would be rape.
Fadetoblack021
Link?
monkeypie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNPaoszr11U&noredirect=1
CoyoteSabre
I have no sympathy for those boys. That's just something you don't get to do.
dingo8mybaby
Who scares me more - my daughter or my son? I have to be mother & father, teaching them to protect themselves & to respect others.
fevertrees
What do you mean scares you? Scared OF them or FOR them?
dingo8mybaby
For them. I am not actually scared of my kids. I could take them. They are still small.
DiglettDigDiglettDigTrioTrioTrio
are you implying you fear your son is a potential rapist based on the fact he is a son?
dingo8mybaby
I see them BOTH as potential victims (because they are my kids). Some of their vulnerability is related to not having a strong dad, I think.
cheetahattack
RUDY!!!!!! That dude is THEE most down to earth guy to have a conversation with. HYPED TO SEE HIM ON IMGUR!
hellohomerjaysimpson
If this would've happened to my daughter, jail would be the only safe place those pieces of shit could hide.
lizzycakes
Not even jail would be safe. Beware.
WipeYourFeetReallyGoodOnTheRhythmRug
I love how this was delivered. A man and a woman taking on the issue of rape in unison. There's so much symbolism in that alone.
ChronicBrat
yessssssssssss. It's perfect!
trustmeimalinguist
I would rather not be focused on as the rape victim. It makes sense to focus on the person who did the crime, to humiliate them publicly.
trustmeimalinguist
Having your rape publicized, well it's humiliating to the victim if they're made the focus.
chocchipcookies
"Sexual Consent should be taught in school" - top comment on the youtube video
NannersMcSwag
Can I get a fucking amen
notapreppie
AMEN!
rogerdodgerrogerdodgerrogerdodger
AMEN!
smoothlikebutteronabaldmonkey
As a guy, I agree with OP 100%, but the tiny gifs really deminish the impact. A picture with a paragraph to follow will do
Blaised
For this format, I agree. But watch the video, it's way more intense. It's been posted a bunch of times in the comments here.
daelythm
I imagined the two were singing a duet. They were really singing their hearts out.
kublaikhan
But how do you know if they are talking if you don't see their mouths moving over and over?
smoothlikebutteronabaldmonkey
The video is powerful to say the least
aselfdefeatingattitude
People need to stop raping. Ball's in your court, rapers.
hoboface
I've been telling people not to rape for years now, it's not working!
sixfoothobbit
Get your balls out of my court, rapist!
HodgePodgekin
This comment.
cleverplaydoh
On a lighter note, I read this entire comment as "rappers" and it took me a while to figure out how rap music had anything to do with this.
DarmokAndJaIadAtTanagra
i can't believe no one tried to open this can of worms
manchurianwok
problem: solved.
whoah
Is the ball thing an innuendo? PS i'm not a raper.
IAmInspectorSpaceTime
Might be an in-your-endo.
lotdw
Why would you trust the one group known for doing it with the responsibility for stopping it?
opad
I actually think a huge amount of rapes are in a fuzzy gray area where the rapist doesn't think they are one. That is what this is about
aselfdefeatingattitude
They are literally the only ones who can is the sad thing.
lotdw
I dunno, I personally know of one case in which a combination of concerned friends and the police stopped it decisively.
cletus44
Immediately scrolled down to the 'bad commets' to view the inevitable shit storm.
HotBlairBalloon89
Oh my god I didn't make it past -3 before I had to run away.
SlackAsh
Yup, i'm down there.
notapreppie
Yah, a couple of butthurt people are downvote fairy-ing like crazy up here, too.
SanSamis
Will piss you off even more: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/09/26/226450112/montana-rapist-being-freed-after-30-day-sentence
manchurianwok
Those dudes knew what they were doing was wrong. Blanket anger can be misplaced but I can't understand why anyone would defend their actions
manchurianwok
*or try and lessen their crime. Our "societal" blind eyes go beyond gender/sexual grievances imo. We need to address all.
mufasaooooohhsayitagain
as a rape victim myself, I wish this could be the most viral video of 2013. It needs to be heard.
alaskaisachillplace
Holy shit i just watched the link, that was intense
Darkholme
Eyes are watering. Eek.
vdain
That freaked me out!!! So well done. Kudos to them for talking about this issue
Katrin931
I'm in tears.
corrija
goose bumps, goose bumps everywhere!
BeautyandtheBeardtheGingerEdition
Took the words right out of my mouth!
crispyG
must have been while you were kissing me..
Treebearded
what link?
alaskaisachillplace
The youtube link at the top of the comments section
MarionTheLibrarian
Chills and tears. Slam poetry is amazing and powerful stuff.
andysfavoritetoy
I have spent hours and hours watching Def Jam videos on youtube and following the suggested links.
acme15
I too watched the link, but it didn't do anything until I clicked it to give it some encouragement
alaskaisachillplace
Ahhh you witty person you, have an upvote
RhymeWithoutAPoet
You should also watch Blue Blanket, by Andrea Gibson. Amazing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cEc3aQOP-o
ravenclawesome
THANK YOU. Upvote times a million
DontWorryIWillFigureOutSomethingWitty
Damn. Speechless.
WeSingLalaWhileTheDevilDoesTheChaCha
Holy hell...I had no idea slam poetry could be this powerful. Gibson, and the two above, are aboslutly amazing. The message is clearer (1/2)
WeSingLalaWhileTheDevilDoesTheChaCha
than any thing I've ever heard before regarding rape.
timmeh08
It has taken years for my wife to get over her abuse as a teenager. I've done my best, but it has been hard. This story makes me so upset
fevertrees
My ex and I lasted 5 years before it just got too bad. I tried so hard to help and be there for her but shes never dealt w/ it. =(
2chainsbutigotmeafewon
Shouldn't have married damaged goods
SlackAsh
Damn that's an asshole thing to say.
2chainsbutigotmeafewon
It's good advice though, same way you shouldn't marry someone with mental health problems
MortieC137
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH I KNOW THE GUY! RUDY FRANCISCO! HE IS SO DAMN COOL! HE COMPLIMENTED MY POETRY AND I BEING A GROWN MAN SWOONED! U GO RUDY!!
Rotty
LOUD NOISES!
passifloraV
OMG I'M SO JEALOUS OF YOUR LIFE. RUDY IS THE BESSSST I TALKED TO HIM FOR LIKE 30 MIN AND NEARLY PISSED MYSELF
MortieC137
rudy saw me perform (i am glad to put some stuff up if you guys want), and told me he was impressed and really liked my poem and i died then
bearbutts
I'm not part of this commentconversation, but I'd like to see it. :c
DangerDetective
Read 'I know the guy' , assumed you meant the rapist, was confused.
davosonion
me too. sooo confused.
MortieC137
if i knew the rapists personally, jail would be the least of their concerns, let alone their "football careers"
cheetahattack
DUDE! RIGHT?!?! HE'S SO DAMN NICE!
MortieC137
I CANT GET OVER IT
IsThisUsernameNoThisIsPatrick
So who them is saying something, and why are they both speaking at the same time? And what it the other talking about?
heterocera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNPaoszr11U&noredirect=1
bananaoil
watch the video!
IsThisUsernameNoThisIsPatrick
Well, I'd need a video for that. I have no idea what their names are or what event they were talking at, but thankfully somebody posted one.
Stonewallsorgi
...this comment makes my head hurt.
IsThisUsernameNoThisIsPatrick
I have no idea what happened to my language at that minute. Wow.
Yrmsteak
Theyre singign
IsThisUsernameNoThisIsPatrick
Oh.. Cool... Link?
Katrin931
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNPaoszr11U&noredirect=1
IsThisUsernameNoThisIsPatrick
That's poetry...
PurpleDocsAndEarlGrey
Pretty sure it's poetry, not singing.
dactyif
Rape culture... is the systemic rape of men in institutions such as prisons, and is considered part of the judicial system.
etherbunny41
Rape culture is also when a woman gets disowned or has acid thrown on her face for not marrying the man who raped her. >.>
notapreppie
Or when a woman is blamed for being raped.
etherbunny41
*Person. Also, it's quite awful when it happens, and should be minimized, but is not prevalent enough to label our society "rape culture".
shadowex3
There is only one letter of difference between "he deserves it" and "she deserves it".
etherbunny41
I love how, rather than explain to me why they think I'm wrong, people simply decided to downvote the comment. >.>
SlackAsh
I got downvoted for trying to teach my daughter some sense that might help her.
notapreppie
Well, yah, 'cuz then they'd have to think and we can't have that. Life is much easier without nuance or shades of gray.
etherbunny41
Indeed. :/
dactyif
You can't just start taking words and attaching your own meanings to them... That is entirely different.
2chainsbutigotmeafewon
Good Job that isn't a regular occurrence in the country in discussion, dactyif's is though
tarataqa
The 10 GIFs stories. STAHP. Just give Youtube link and be done.
Mairoa
As someone who netflixes for the household on her speakers all the time, I appreciate not having to watch a video. I hate upworthy for this.
HodgePodgekin
What's wrong with gifs?
Faedron
Trying to read black and white text while a moving picture is behind it makes it incredibly hard to read for some people.
greyfoxv1
It's hard to read for most people because it's completely unnecessary when the image is pretty much static throughout.
tarataqa
1-2 GIFs are no big deal. Scanning thru 10+ animated gifs in sequence is simply annoying. Esp. with misspelled captions.
findingausernamethatisnttakenisreallyhard
I would upvote this a million times if I could OP, I really would
armonis
Chances are, if we didn't treat sexuality like a sin in America, we would have a lot less rape. Sex shouldn't be a guilt-ridden experience.
2chainsbutigotmeafewon
Bullshit, I know you want to say something about slit shaming and women should be able to suck a thousand dicks but it's not relevant fucku
armonis
I'm not sure...what this means.
hailthefish
Having sex with someone who doesn't fucking consent to it should sure as fuck be a guilt-ridden experience, though.
etherbunny41
Indeed it should, but society in general viewing sex with ANYONE as a bad thing is what he's talking about.
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etherbunny41
Not the argument I made. My argument is that society's ill views of sex in general are detrimental to us.
armonis
I think rapists should be castrated. But that's not really what I'm talking about.
ChronicBrat
so true.
SerialKitten666
I don't know why you seem to think rape isn't prevalent around the world, regardless of how sex is viewed in the society...?
armonis
According to the statistics I've found (2010) America has the highest number of victims. I'm not trying to say it doesn't happen elsewhere.
SerialKitten666
Rape is often heavily underreported. They estimate only about 10% of cases are reported. Realize that in places like China/India 1/2
SerialKitten666
to admit to being raped can cause you to become completely shunned as you are now a tainted slut 2/2
shadowex3
"They" are the same people who claim more women are raped than actually turn out to exist in the places "they" refer to.
SerialKitten666
Basically, don't confuse openness of a society to actual occurrences. It exists everywhere, but it's rarely reported, unfortunately
FoxyTrout
I live right by Steubenville. This whole thing has died down, sadly.. No consequences, yet the girl has to live with it for her life.
Aveira
The sad thing is this happens every day. Steubenville just managed to get a lot more press than most people.
TacticalTurtleneck
I too am from The Valley (though live in Cincy now). I can totally see how that whole thing just disappeared. I'm shocked it went to trial.
tayface
The fact that you refer to it as The Valley makes me know you aren't bullshitting.
TacticalTurtleneck
Ain't no bullshit here! I only go back for Elm Grove DiCarlo's and Drover's.
jerrodsb
i'm also from the valley and live in nky, ten mintues from cincy haha.
TacticalTurtleneck
Congrats on escaping as well!
jerrodsb
right! let's just hope others will be just as fortunate.
BenadrylCuminbitch
Round about this time a teacher near where I live raped a 14 year old girl, and got 30 days. The judge also had choice words about 1/
BenadrylCuminbitch
/2 the girl was wearing. The teacher is getting re-sentenced now, though.
jerrodsb
i'm surprised to see people from around there on here haha.
FromDenmarkWithHate
Can I come visit you and kill them?
PraiseTheBum
Oh you Americans.
FromDenmarkWithHate
I'm Danish, thank you very much! :-)
xkr73
I'd happily join him as a British man. Knife through the testicles anyone?
Treebearded
This is what's wrong with society. The bad deed isn't the issue. Crisis management and damage control keep you free.
hsalceht
ur acting like theres a cure for rape that we're just refusing to give her..the boys are doing time what else can you do?
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
Ever seen The Punisher? Law Abiding Citizen? There's my thoughts.
hsalceht
downvote if u want if u have such a great suggestion speak up
Seism
you got a valid point my friend. I don't think any of these saps listened to the full poem, and how they explain that jail doesn't fix, 1
Seism
it breaks them even more. whatever they deserve, it should be something that has a tangible and profound effect, something that jail won't 2
Seism
give. also, welcome to the internet, where people are sheep and vote based on really stupid reasons.
SenorSmooth
No consequences? You know they had to go to jail, right?
opad
I, for one, am particularly disgusted by all the adults that covered it up. Not even just the parents did that- other adults. It's vile.
FoxyTrout
He didn't go to jail. He went to a "rehab center". It's a 2 year vacation for raping a girl.
Pharya
Many perpetrators simply got off scott free, and an innocent being raped is far more personally-punishing than a guilty person going to jail
BecauseHowHardIsItToPoachAGoddamnEggProperly
And I hope a trip to the hospital after they get out.
tomhiddlestonsthirdtesticlewhyyesyoucantouchmeallyouwant
As a rape victim... No. Just no. They were young and taught by society exactly what the video says... Boys will be boys, a short skirt is 1
loki36
I'm sorry but I dont see society teaching that, the local culture may have allowed them to think they were untouchable (1 fo 2)
loki36
I dont believe they were unaware of just how wrong/evil what they did was. They just didn't think they'd have to face the consequences
tomhiddlestonsthirdtesticlewhyyesyoucantouchmeallyouwant
'asking' for it... Because we, as communities, refuse to actually look rape culture in the eye and tell it to fuck off. Redefining it is 2
tomhiddlestonsthirdtesticlewhyyesyoucantouchmeallyouwant
the only way to stop shit like this from happening in the future. Am I say they should be forgiven? Of course not. But this is what the 3
InnocentGun
1 and 2 years respectively is not a punishment, it's a slap on the wrist.
iamdeathandthisismyvalley
It is punishment, for the victim, for the rest of her life...
anewbie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNPaoszr11U&noredirect=1 slam poetry
juvenilebigfoot
I ended up crying...
DorthLous
Thank you. So very much. Not a huge fan of slam in general, but this one I shared.
viperex
Damn
ScruffyBelievesInThisCompany
Comment.
ScruffyBelievesInThisCompany
Jaysus, can't a man comment for future reference?
tsounami
wow!
hungryyo
That had me in tears wow
kittyclawz
Damn powerful.
ImBatman69
WINSTON!
Slothpocolypse
I just said "shit" after watching it way louder than I anticipated while in the library. This is awesome!
ILoveDali
Rape is a horrible thing, but this is so beautiful. I have a giant knot in my throat.
Fatniss
My goosebumps have goosebumps.
vanishplusxzone
Damn.
RecentlyChangedMyName
since when is screaming poetry?
TheSilverUnicorn
Thank you.
ImMrbulldops
What are we yelling about
dunnllanes
oh my god. i had goosebumps throughout all the video. watch it. it's worth it.
ninjaguava
soo many feelings. and yes, he doesn't really understand what he did, that ending...damn....
balthcat
I could hear the meter, stronger the further I read.
catsonmeth
Damn.
iHerpUderp
Thank you for posting.
pullingsaiyantails
Thank you for posting this.
DrKateStumplebutt
If this made you cry, here's something to cheer you up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvDj-NYnmS4
HappyWaldoandtheSaltyMonkey
My ONLY problem: this implies only males are rapists and only women can be raped. That's another harmful misconception of rape culture.
anewbie
That's true, but i feel like bringing attention to the problem in general will help all fronts, even if not implicitly stated as an issue.
HappyWaldoandtheSaltyMonkey
Misrepresenting a problem is always dangerous. As if focusing on only one issue. We need complete reform, not just the best we can get.
Anthropomorphick
Lovely message, but I still don't get how things are connected to the mentioned boy's "color".
MarshallEriksen
"Jails will not fix broken people, jails will only break them harder." That part hit me hard..
speedb4ll
I got goosebumps that was freakin amazing.
Keynote
I truly feel sorry for what the victim would witness if I ever happened upon a rape scene.
TILImgurIsAwesome
Slams are pretty awesome.
buttalips
The ending verse, was just wow. I'm not really an emotional person, but this really tugged at my heart strings.
CatsIsTheAnswer
Will be back.
MaidsHeardTheGoblinsCry
Jesus. It's been a while since something like this made me cry. Kind of shows how numb you are becoming. Thank you for sharing this link.
Asherdash
I love this shit.
handyrandie
Chills.
LasagneIsMyOneTrueLove
This gave me shivers, pretty impressive
youstupidkant
Of all the videos to go viral - this should be one of them.
Termsofenrampagementobviouslyaworkingtitle
Woah..
samgurian
...gooodness
TheFraggler
Commenting so I can watch later
DrDherp
THIS IS MY FRIEND. I KNOW THIS PERSON. OMG I AM FAMUS
esosa233
Yes Doctor Dherp you are famus. :)
GodIsDeadLongLiveDog
I hate shit like this.
whateverfloatsyourboatdude
Yeah? I hate you
GodIsDeadLongLiveDog
oh noez
spareseatonmyface
What exactly do you hate? The message or the delivery?
GodIsDeadLongLiveDog
the wannabe rapping
buttalips
All rapping is is poetry. In fact, any song you here on the radio is a form of poetry. Poetry isn't just all haikus, and love notes you know
DrKateStumplebutt
Slam poetry is better than most rapping. A lot of rap fucking sucks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwtDfKpqxeo
spareseatonmyface
So the delivery....but that's entirely missing the point.
GodIsDeadLongLiveDog
I don't care.
Dinosaursatemychildren
Yep, it's terrible. But no need to tell those who enjoy it how you feel. I'm pretty sure lots of people hates things you like.
GodIsDeadLongLiveDog
Then the people who enjoy it shouldn't tell me that they enjoy it.
IbukiOnTheScene
They didn't. You chose to view this image and continue interacting in a discussion related to it.
cutmylifeintopizza
Commenting so I can watch on my lunch break.
CowsGoMooALot
Wow. I cried. I didn't think I would at first, but damn, is that powerful.
lilsillybunny
I cried too... so many tears.
thetookybird
Okay, Im glad I wasn't the only one.
nullmichae
This gives me hope.
MindlessMoosey
That was intense
kareninja
That was amazing, I'm tearing up right now. Thanks for sharing
CutJewel
Oh God, here I go again. Watching it for the third time
FabulouslyTiti
Thank you for posting this. Everyone who reads these comments and is doubting whether to watch it or not, just do it. Please.
KawikaLo
Just watch it... much truth in so little time..
aj94plus
why would you not?
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
You convinced me to, thanks. Definatley worth a watch. These two and all others like them need to be heard.
abelrm
tears, thank you.
DonaldTrumpsPubicCombover
As a man, I understand what they are saying and I agree with it, but every time I hear a message like this, I feel (1/2)
DonaldTrumpsPubicCombover
bad to be a man. It's like their blaming all men for being men (not raping, just having a penis) and saying we need to be trained. (2/?)
BrigidtheMechLady
Not trained, taught. Men are not taught how to control themselves by the way our culture tends to place blame for assault on the victim.
DonaldTrumpsPubicCombover
Yes, but that's just it. It's as if men are inherently bad inside and must be taught how to not be. Not all men are that way 1/2.
DonaldTrumpsPubicCombover
and shouldn't be treated that way. I shouldn't feel like I need to be taught anything if I've never even thought of raping a woman. 2/2
BrigidtheMechLady
But ignoring your impulses for moral reasons is a learned trait.
BrigidtheMechLady
Some men are actively encouraged by culture or their elders to think of women as objects. Men are not inherently bad, (2/3)
DonaldTrumpsPubicCombover
I know that's not what they mean, but I still feel so confused. Can anyone shed some light on this? (3/3)
gizmoroxorz
I'm with you. They slam on women's gender roles, but seem to reinforce men's in a kind of subconscious manner.
Thereflex
I'll give it a go. It's not that men need to be trained, or that they're bad inherently. It is the culture we live in, that 'boys will
Thereflex
be boys' idea that teaches men and boys that it's okay to be aggressive, that it's not okay to express any emotion but anger outwardly.
Thereflex
Teaching our boys to 'be a man', 'be strong', 'don't cry', that's all just as sexist as teaching girls to be sweet, quiet, compliant.
AdvancedFalconry
here another good one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saREW_BfxwY
DonaldGloverChildishGambino
This one...I liked this one more than above one...this...
TracerBullitt
Jaw drop at "leaking submarine"... Not sure when, exactly, the tears welled, but m'goodness.
CarlBrutananadilewski
slam poetry: the only place where if the speaker's eyebrows go up, his/her eyes close more
RecentlyChangedMyName
since when is screaming poetry?
HeeelllloooooooMurse
I loved every moment of this except the "getting the darker parts of his masculinity under control" portion? Wth? (Part 1/2)
AndtheLordsaidLettherebePie
Depends on your interpretation, but I think they mean cultural masculinity promoting aggression and sexual conquest, not inherent male-ness.
AtalanBeardy
I really hope they do.
HeeelllloooooooMurse
I can appreciate this interpretation
HeeelllloooooooMurse
Since when does being male mean being born with a dark side?
almicak
The "dark side" is entitlement regarding sex (and other things). Not born with it, but taught by society.
RhymeWithoutAPoet
It doesn't. Being human does.
AntsInYourPantalones
Exactly
HeeelllloooooooMurse
Yes, but then it should have said get the darker parts of his humanity under control
LADYBUGS
But the talk was focused on "sons" so the masculinity better serves their argument.
StopTryingToMakeFetchHappenItsNotGoingToHappen
But the message they were conveying is that there is a rape culture surrounding men. It wasn't meant to address women at all. (1/3)
shitsandgigglesfor100
It has to do with the cultural "machoness". I hate when people say "your such a woman" for doing something gentle...
PooPculture
yeah the message isn't the same in gif mode
hette
Yes, actually. It really takes the quote out of context. The message is almost the opposite in the video.
AsAnAmerican
This is the first time Imgur has made me cry.
ILikeMineWithLettuceAndTomato
Wow.
titsbergfeelers
So many goosebumps
bob7777777
i felt goosebumps several times
EarlSweatshirt
My flesh is covered with them.
Foxygen
I completely share their opinion, but i'm not sure why they present it like this? Is it supposed to have some greater effect on people?
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
More emphasis, louder, more passion. Bigger impact
TheDevilMadeMeDoIt
It's art. I'd much rather listen to this than read an essay.
Foxygen
But, is their main goal to express their feelings or to make art? I'm still confused
DoctorRickDaglessMD
Why not both? Express an incredibly powerful opinion from both genders but also open it up for people to analyse and adapt to themselves.
MaxxiDotPad
It's incredibly powerful this way. It could be in other ways as well, but this was done beautifully.
TellMeaHaikuForAPrize
They presented it this way to match the formatting of the poetry slams.
AchillesDeFlandres
Wow. tears just falling, to intense to wipe them away
AntsInYourPantalones
I made the mistake of watching it in public, now I have tears streaming down my face as well.
IAmLobstronomous
Dem onions are really strong.
keyworkhustle
I didn't think that would affect me as much as it did. Wow.
ablack3595
I totally feel the same way. I had no idea what I was going to be watching and now here I am crying.
IndustrialBunny
Wow such cry. much sad. wow.
Viewtheentirealbum11imagestotal1remaining
Steubenville High School rape case (Wikipedia). It just makes you sick when you read about the verdicts...
Blaised
Watching them was worse. IMO.
Semni
Am I the only person who is cautious about condemning the courts? This is a juvenile case and sentencing is normally light.
Semni
It is very very easy to have a harsh emotional reaction to a situation like this and that is a problem. It clouds our judgement.
Semni
The reality is that sexual assault cases are rarely easy or clear-cut and when media and public outcry comes in ...
ArdentSlacker
It's not just the verdicts that nauseate. :(
Viewtheentirealbum11imagestotal1remaining
True.
scaredshirtless
Verdicts? You mean the part where the judge shook his head and said, chuckling, "Oh you guys."
Hitmewithyourbestbubblegum
He did WHATNOW?!
AnimeGrandpa
"Boys will be boys!" Horrible.
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
What the fuck.
paddymcnasty
Chemical castration. Just saying...
Sakkura
1-4 and 2-4 years detention doesn't seem outrageous, but then again the US does have crazy-harsh sentencing in general.
Semni
With the chance of getting put on the sex offenders registry which pretty much locks you out of having any kind of career that doesn't suck.
sanguinecupcake
A buddy of mine got 12 years for non-violent marijuana possession. It's unnecessaryl
YourHeroPenguin
As the mother of two daughters this case disturbs and angers me. There needed to be more charges brought against the bystanders
lizzycakes
I can not agree with you enough. As a single mother of my own baby, I'm scared shitless.
twatllama
Bystanders? No one is responsible for the safety of others. That is what police are for.
YourHeroPenguin
perhaps if you were being raped.. but I'm not sure anyone would rape a llama
twatllama
Llamas are the sexiest creatures in all the land.
lemonwaterice
Can someone please explain to me why these fuckers aren't dead yet? Or for that matter, any rapist who is clearly guilty?
hoboface
Oh yeah let's just start MURDERING people, now THAT'S justice!
TattoosAreNeat
I live nearby there. We had the hacker group Anonymous here exposing everything to the radios. It was chaos.
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IlessthanthreeDisney
Let that be your little girl and see how fair it is.
Faedron
I didn't see the (now) deleted post, but when we let emotions rule our society instead of fair judgement for all involved, we solve nothing.
IlessthanthreeDisney
the person said it was a fair judgement, that he didnt see anything wrong with it.
jacobg747
Seems fair I guess but let's replace her with you now do the seem fair?
Zachasm
I see you misplaced your 10ft pole, I'm sorry but I kind of need mine to not touch this post with.
Silenceisbliss
There was a science student their age who made a small controlled explosive (that wasn't big enough to do damage or harm anyone) 1/?
Silenceisbliss
and did no harm to anyone or anything, and was charged as an ADULT to a significantly longer period than the rapists. 2/?
Silenceisbliss
The law favours a non-damaging science experiment as exponentially worse than a life ruining rape. This is a problem.
Qwixand56
Agreed. F-ing terrible...
cossettetape
My fellow ladies, it is never your fault if you get sexually assaulted. But be safe out there. Make smart decisions.
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DiglettDigDiglettDigTrioTrioTrio
It astounds me people see that as victim blaming, instead choosing to put the onus to not do bad things on those who do bad things
triskele
It might be because it's repeated again and again until it's second nature to distrust everyone. Which you get blamed for too.
stringcheese
thank you
cossettetape
This is just a general statement. I'm not saying it'll prevent rape, not saying this is always how rape happens. Its just one thing.
smpratte
Great post!
LadyJedi
Carry weapons.
xXxPainAngelxXx
that might not be the best advice
DabooOfMonket
*train with and carry weapons....
IAmInspectorSpaceTime
In my opinion, the penetration is NEVER the girl's fault. But occasionally, a promiscuous girl can put herself in harm's way.
chickenandfarts
THE ONLY WAY WE CAN FIX THE WORLD IS IF WE OVERSIMPLIFY A COMPLICATED SOCIOLOGICAL PROBLEM AND TALK LOUDLY ABOUT IT
cossettetape
Actually I think we had a good discussion through the whole thread where I even started that my.point wasn't to say this solved all rape.
chickenandfarts
I tend to agree; I just can't let a good thing go unsatired.
InappropriateElsa
and men, men get raped too! it's nobody's fault.
InappropriateElsa
yeah the implication was that the rapists are at fault..obviously..
Koztah
Except if a man gets raped in Kansas by a woman and the woman gets preggo, she's entitled to child support. Yay equality.
InappropriateElsa
that's crazy!
SerialKitten666
Most rape victims are raped by someone they know and trust. The incidences with strangers make up only a small percent...
cossettetape
Yeah I mentioned that in another comment. Not saying this a 100% surefire way to not be assaulted. Just doesn't hurt.
SerialKitten666
Of course, helps to try and evade danger as best you can!
Thereflex
Just so you know, one of my friends was raped by the father of a friend after she accepted his offer of a ride home. Because walking home
Thereflex
would have been too dangerous. She made what she thought was the smart decision. Rapists don't come with labels.
cossettetape
Never made a claim as such and if you read through this thread you'd realize this. I don't feel like repeating myself again.
Thereflex
I read the part where you said make smart decisions. Just saying, smart decisions don't count for shit if there's a rapist present.
cossettetape
I also said that rape isn't always preventable and this isn't always how rape occurs but there's (generally) no harm in being cautious.
cossettetape
Shitty people exist.and its sometimes in your hands, even if that's not.*really* fair.
cossettetape
Obviously there are thousands of cited exceptions, I was just stating a general belief of mine that victims are never to blame but that
IAmInspectorSpaceTime
This girl seduces men for the purpose of using them. Tried this with an autistic kid. He thought it was okay to rape her. Who instigated it?
IAmInspectorSpaceTime
honestly, anyone who downvotes a true story is a bleeding heart, sad sack. Seriously. Women aren't perfect, idiot virgins.
notasrelevant
Can we just go with "my fellow humans"? Men and women can be raped/sexually assaulted. It's not the fault of the victim.
twosummers
can't POSSIBLY be raped by a 'weaker' woman, which is blatantly and disgustingly untrue. The rape culture idea of 'you asked for it' and 4/?
twosummers
The issue here is that 'rape culture' is basically 'patriarchal culture' where men are viewed as always strong and 'manly' and women 2/?
twosummers
'you can't have been raped by a woman!' is EXACTLY why victims are shamed to silence. 5/5
twosummers
are always weak and delicate. It is specifically this thinking that makes people ignore male rape victims, since men are 'strong' they 3/?
twosummers
Men can definitely be victims too. But with the vast majority of victims being women, you can't ignore that it's a gendered problem. 1/?
GeneParmesanHowYaDoing
Over 90% of sexual assault cases are man against woman. My guess is that this specific kind is even higher. It's an exception.
shadowex3
No, the law DEFINES rape as man against woman which completely excludes female perpetrators and male victims. This is the REAL rape culture.
HardcastleMcCormack
Who cares if it's only (ONLY?!) 10% of the time. No one should be ignored. It's definitely NOT an exception.
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incongruency
Source: http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf (Pages 18 and 19)
notasrelevant
It's an exception, so it's not a problem that should be recognized when addressing the same general topic. Got it.
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
Because that's totally what he was saying.
notasrelevant
If that's not what was being said, then it held no relevance to what I was saying.
incongruency
I disagree on your statistic, at least in the US. According to the CDC 2010 NISVS the rate in the last 12 months of forced penetration 1/6
incongruency
in women is 1.1% which is equivalent to the 1.1% of forced to penetrate in men. This paints a picture of near equal victimization of men 2/6
incongruency
Rape is a terrible thing, but to claim that it is the domain of only one gender, as either victim or perpetrator is wrong. 5/6
incongruency
Yet for penetration and made to penetrate the percent of opposite-sex rapists are male and female respectivly (98.1% and 79.2%) 4/6
incongruency
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf (Pages 18, 19, and 24 contain cited data) 6/6
incongruency
and women that should not be ignored. A majority of rapists are male, to male and female victims almost equally <5% (98.1% and 93.3%) 3/6
cossettetape
The culture needs to change. No one blames a person for getting mugged in a dark alley, but we still know to avoid dark alleys.
Kraix
The hell are you talking about? I partially blame anyone who intentionally makes a stupid choice like walking down a dark alley.
cossettetape
But, like, as far as criminality goes, theres no discussion. If they get caught, the mugger gets arrested. period.
chickenandfarts
This is an articulate and serious way of saying my thought. Saying someone overestimated their safety and is culpable are VERY different.
bigVanilla
I also blame people for getting mugged in dark alleyways. Don't walk down there. Make smart decisions.
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
Exactly. So often those giving good advice on how to protect yourself are condemned and accused of blaming the victim.
cossettetape
Yes, its so frustrating. Like somehow I'm anti feminist because I'm a realist?
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
I blame people for getting mugged in dark alleys. Everyone knows to stay out of them.
cossettetape
Yeah, but they didn't do anything wrong, the mugger did. But this is why I hate being chastised for saying a girl should still be smart.
HeisenbergWD
They did do something wrong- go into a very suspicious dark alley. Just asking for it. *cough cough*
jcobb93
Next time, can you mark your posts with (1), (1/x) or something? Makes it a bit easier to follow. Excellent point, though.
Llama11amaduck
Omg, marry me. You're right on my level.
SerialKitten666
That sentiment would work out great if people weren't mugged(and raped) in broad daylight or open places almost as often...
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
How does that sentiment not still work out great then? Dark alleys are dangerous. The fact that 2+2=4 doesn't change dark alleys.
cossettetape
avoid getting raped, not try to prove a point, right? Sorry, but theres always shitty people out there.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
I agree and suffer the same bullshit whenever I raise the topic of victim culpability. If I pinned $100 bills to my shirt and walked through
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
just did something very fucking stupid.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
But when a woman gets falling-down drunk surrounded by drunk, horny, late-teen males - sure, she didn't do anything WRONG, she
BrewedAwakening
I totally agree that we as females should take care to avoid, to the extent possible, dangerous situations. But so many rapes occur even if
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
South Chicago, it'd be about 10 minutes before I was robbed, if that - and it would be a "what did you expect?" reaction from anyone.
blueberrycupcakes
Rape can happen in the most unexpected places sometimes regardless. One can never be safe enough, although our society is build on trust
BrewedAwakening
all precautions are taken. Someone can easily accidentally slip something into your drink (happened to two friends), or it can be someone
BrewedAwakening
you think you trust. So, asking women to just not go into bars at all is excessive, but we all know those can be risky areas.
cossettetape
safer and smarter.
cossettetape
Of course, this isn't applicable to all, not even most, rape cases. And I personally love to drink, but I know where its safe to drink a lot
cossettetape
and where you ought to be more aware. I worked as a waitress at a strip club for many years, but that comes with having to learn to be
cossettetape
don't go somewhere new by yourself, don't take drinks from strangers, don't get too drunk... You're not to blame but, the point is to
otterotters
I agree with you and cossette wholeheartedly.
Llama11amaduck
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! Saying someone made a poor choice with their actions =/= they deserved to be raped!!
bobdole12122
They really should know better. They don't deserve it but if you walk down a dark alley and get mugged you're not entirely faultless
MyPseudoIsAlduinSkyrimStoleItFromMe
Because we all know, muggers spawns in dark alleys at night wainting for victims to show up. And yes those those dark alley should be safe
bobdole12122
I'm just saying that if you were smart, you walk down well lit streets at night. If you're not, well that's like gambling at vegas isn't it?
Faedron
Spot on. Danger exists everywhere, unfortunately. Knowing how to protect yourself makes all the difference.
cossettetape
Yes. And its not about "I should be able to wear and act how and walk where I want" like, yes you should, but the world isnt perfect.
chickenandfarts
Acting in a suggestively sexual permissive manner has the effect of suggesting sexual permission. Of course this still doesn't make rape OK.