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"You're refusing to use superPAC’s, as I mentioned, your average campaign donor is paying an average of 42 dollars per donor. You want to raise 50 million dollars but with all due respect senator, how do you compete when senator Clinton is saying "we're going to raise two billion dollars.”
"Katie, that is an excellent question. We are just going to do the best we can. What you are really saying is, as I hear it, is “can any candidate who is not tied in with the billionaires, who is trying to represent working families, who is trying to deal with the tough issues facing our country, can they run for office anymore? And if what you are saying is true, and it may well be true, frankly let me be honest with you, it may in fact be too late. The billionaire might be too powerful. And maybe the only candidates who win get money from the billionaires. And if that's the case, you can form your judgement, but it doesn’t sound, to me, like the democracy that men and women fought and died to defend."
Source - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpgJYNaIeqo
NothingPersonal
If you would've taken a shot every time Curic said "Hillary Clinton" you'd be dead of alcohol poisoning by the end of the video -_-'
dinosaurda
I respect the way he acts as a politician, I just don't like his policy.
lawyerboi
Socialists are not worthy of respect
twistedmisfit
I will help you sir
ChesusCrust
BERN DOWN 4 WHAT
Nixeska
Man, I could live a life of luxury with one million and people need 2 billion to drive around the country?
LordCommanderTomSnow
Is it possible to spread the word without money? Can he be the first viral politician? I already heard more about him than I have Hillary.
OhmsSecond
Kennedy Won election by TV.. why not Bernie win by Internet? :)
SaudiGuy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6EhzMbgk9c
NelsaroniandCheese
I can't believe a politician is saying this shit live in front of the world. In my lifetime. I almost gave up hope for the rest of the world
thetruthcourier
Don't forget the part where he talks about not dissing other candidates!
shanekrhj
Why? are you against forcing top 10 $ earning corps to actually pay taxes to your country? atm they pay NOTHING.
joojoogajoo
My fucking broke ass is giving that man some money today. Goddamnit.
tomyironmane
My prediction: Clinton will get the nomination, but not before this magnificent bastard tears her a new one.
tomyironmane
Hey, is anyone taking bets yet on whether Clinton will actually debate him? My money would be on "No way in hell."
StandardDeviant
After that she could choose which asshole to talk out of
tomyironmane
well, if she needs a change of assholes now she can always hand Bill a script and threaten to cut off his intern supply.
ActWithKindness
We don't need a rich person in office, we need a smart person in office. This might be him.
lmgursLibertarian
I'm not running yet, gotta be 35.
ActWithKindness
That's okay, I said we need a SMART person.. Jk jk haha
iamhambone
She was trying so hard to get him to talk badly about his opponents and he refused.
KimberCDPII
She tried to get Ted Cruz to discredit the pope, rudely.
nodend
He's got a brilliant campaign going. It's not "Bernie vs Hillary" it's "the 1% vs democracy"
IsaiahThorn
It really has become much easier to criticize the broken system than those who take advantage of it. I like this guy.
Ggjeed
I've seen multiple interviews where they keep trying to make him bad mouth people, and he handles it so well every time.
Shiftyeyesshady
I disagree with a lot of his viewpoints, but i like him as a person. Our country would be a better place with more politicians like him.
Rebourn
Been saying that for a while. I don't agree with his politics, but he seems like a good, sincere person. I'd take him over Hillary any day.
JadedFreighter
What the actual fuck does Clinton need 2 billion FOR? Buy up all the ad-space so no one else can run ads? Excessive smear campaigns?
manylifetimes
yes and yes
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
That's actually just the expected number for each party to spend. So, apparently that's just where we are now.
SquirtleSquad420
The koch brothers alone are promising around 1 billion to the republican candidate.
OhmsSecond
Pretty much
RiloRetro
Basically yes
Kimozabi
To be able to win, not on message where she'll lose, but on being the most visible and have the most attack ads.
Tunablesausage
That's pretty much exactly what it's for.
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Well actually let me clarify: the Reps are expected to match. And, btw, Obama spent something like $1.1b. So...not actually so unprecedented
beleginwaffle
1.1 vs 2 billion? Not so unprecedented? Oh...just a tiny little nudge on up to 2 billion from 1.1. No biggie.
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Yeah...that's kind of how our campaigns work.
slapmyassandcallmesusan
For real? $1.1b for his campaign?.......wow.
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Now I'm a little skeptical. I found that number in two articles, but several others reported significantly lower numbers.
PaulTheBod
Democrats spent 1.1 b total, Obama only spent 683,546,548 on his own campaign. Source: https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
But 1.1b total was on that race, correct? Not tied up in the other campaigns that cycle?
PaulTheBod
Believe so. Some of it is not technically for Obama but is instead Obama supporters shitting on Romney.
LovableTramp
I still cant decide if this guy's for real, but I wanna live in a world where the answer is yes.
StandardDeviant
This guy was active in the Civil Rights movement. He's been pushing for gay rights since the 70's. He's legit.
DatMormon
Dude's been saying the same stuff for like 20 years
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
He's got a long record of this consistent record. It's a safer bet than Obama was.
MDBigworm
Money ensures that the best people never get elected.
rumandbass
You guys are getting hung up on who becomes the president....it's congress we need to worry about.
StandardDeviant
-Bernie Sanders. No seriously, he actually said this
rumandbass
Well then we think alike.
DarthFutuza
So I have a question, what's the best thing to do about congressman from other states not your own?
rumandbass
impose term limits
Ineednointoductionkiddingimsteph
Absolutely!
beleginwaffle
I hear people say this all the time. You had better worry about both. Nominations, executive orders, face of the nation, HUGE influence.
rumandbass
The lack of congressional term limits mean that one powerful person can influence legislation for an entire generation or more.
beleginwaffle
Agreed. How did we miss this in the beginning?
rumandbass
Not sure, but it can certainly be fixed. I would say it's one of the most important things we need to fix.
woodjoiner
It bugs me how the media reports the cash that has been raised as a leading indicator of the candidates success.
DizzyNosferatu
1. The trouble is that, after a certain amount, it doesn't make a huge difference. Just look at the GOP candidate history. The biggest
D0cH0lliday
The problem is, it's true. The more they raise the more they can drown out their opponents with campaign propaganda.
woodjoiner
Agreed. It is sad that our democracy is won with 30 second advertisements on TV.
DizzyNosferatu
2. fundraisers don't usually end up getting the nomination. So much of it pays for TV ads. Most of my generation doesn't even pay for TV.
Cheomesh
What generation is that?
thatwilldopig
Yeah, they're going to eventually change advertising methods. All over our phones and such.
skantman
It's because it absolutely is the deciding factor. At least their acknowledging it, albeit in a completely stupid and unjournalistic way.
UnspokenX
As an american, all I hear is "this guy hasnt sucked up to enough billionaires, its unlikely he's going to be nominated/elected."
testaccout
It is, though. Elections are basically auctions, whomever pays most wins.
vjven
Isn't it true? I think Freakononics covered it.
LolFuckInsertHere
Fuck Clinton, Get Bernie.
tranderas
Fuck them both, get... idk, a real candidate that isn't shit? None of the parties have announced one seeking nomination yet.
lmgursLibertarian
What's wrong with dr Paul? He just got the CIA spying program neutered/ cancelled
tranderas
He's too socially conservative for my taste.
lmgursLibertarian
Abortion?
tranderas
Yup. He moved away from his father's "let the states handle it" policies on health to a more central-planning philosophy that I despise.
StandardDeviant
Bern down for what?
LolFuckInsertHere
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/50065805.jpg
BuckTurgid
BERNINATING THE POLITICAL FIELD!!!!
lmgursLibertarian
I hate Sanders. But this was brilliant +1
ThisIsWhatIDoAtWork
Upvoting all the Trogdor and HSR references.
pjkix
thank mr skeltal? doot doot
nomnombabies
Everybody, to the limit!
MrPornProfessional
Sick Bern, bruh!
Tanthian
Always upvote Trogdor.
GMOmonsterMadeFromAutisticVaccines
Back to the ancient days of the internet! Love it.
nation543
somebody needs to make this into a video before 2016
harleyquinn30
You brilliant bastard
themajor77
BURNIE SERNNNNNDEEEERS
magphoenix
This needs to be a legit thing. Please someone make this a thing.
McGill1433
Berninating the political landscape! Berninating the Senate! Berninating all the billionaires, and their little thatch roofed tax havens!
BestNameOfAllTime
I understood that reference.
blackgold288
Trogdooooooor!
DanAykroydFanClub
INTENSIVE BERN UNIT!
IMadeThisAccountJustToMakeThisComment
I updooted the post itself, purely because I updooted this comment.
potentiallyunsafe
AND THE SAN-DOR VOTES IN THE NIIIIIIGHT
Omnislash9
*raises zippo*
FaithAlone
This needs to become a remix and his campaign song.
ShortKiltLongWaistcoat
I hope this is okay: http://imgur.com/G3q4JIJ
BuckTurgid
Bravo!
BlobbyJr
awesome
Usernamaste
I made a cover photo for facebook. I think it is glorious.
SquirtleSquad420
should make the peasents hilary and gop canidates.
Usernamaste
Now you're thinking with portals!
JohnCheese
It's beautiful. Could you just change it a little more so it says "Berninator"?
ShortKiltLongWaistcoat
I made the font a little better too: http://imgur.com/NQ2FXbf
JohnCheese
Thank you. It is absolutely gorgeous now. I like the subtle "superPACs" on the hut.
ShortKiltLongWaistcoat
Haha I thought that might be a nice touch, good eye
balrogthane
And their THATCH-ROOFED SUPERPACS!!!!!
ProjectBadass
THATCH-ROOFED SUPER PAAAACS!!!!
HelloMyNameIsEmily
AND THE SANDERS COMES IN THE NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT
cbjfan
*guitar solo*
o11c
#feelthebern
ProjectBadass
SAAAAN-DOOOOOORSS BERNINATING ALL THE CANDIDATES.
DrToastyPants
Favoriting on mobile is a crapshoot so Imma leave this comment here instead. I want to remember this special little thread.
LaserSalsa
Same :')
TheEntireScottishNavy
We aren't allowed to vote on preliminaries. This man should be the democratic candidate.
henrahmagix
Up points! Up points! Up points with you!
admiralhipper
SAN-DORRRRRRRRRRRS. Best I could come up with, tying Trogdor to Sanders.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Although I now want him to run as Sandors the Berninator.
klausnominomi
San-doors is a man, i mean hes a senator man or maybe he was just a senator. But he was still SAN-DOOORS
NeverGetsTheNuke
But not the peasant's.
CrimsonShortOne
I WILL become a full fledged citizen before the 2016 presidential election.... I need to vote this time!!!
minervabro
The only place that true democracy can start working at is local levels, to be honest.
Ineednointoductionkiddingimsteph
Absolutely!!! But this is part of our duty if we want change. Couldn't agree with you more. We need change from the bottom up
iThog
I don't think a socialist can safeguard a democracy or democratic republic. Bernie is a poor choice for president.
PainGwen
I'd like to see a regional representative democracy based out of local governments with popularly elected officials.
HiveinMind
A "true" political system doesn't exist anywhere in the world because we as humans do not have the moral integrity to maintain such a system
Turtletown
Direct democracy can only work at local levels. Even then in a plurality system, the results would be unfair for any side that didnt win
StarrryNight
True democracy is a nasty peice of work. What if the majority suddenly decided they didn't like gays, or jews, or atheists.
krigify
A professor called USA an oligarchy instead of democracy, and I feel this is true. :/
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
Oligarchy or Plutocracy are both more accurate than Democracy.
Kimozabi
#Bernie2016
TimothyTebow
#Timmy2016
TheBlackShakes
http://www.weeatfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/bernie-poster-artwork-jack-black-shirley-maclaine-matthew-mcconaughey.jpg
PickledPeaches
Holy shit, it's going to be a long year. I officially apologize to all non-Americans.
chocolatemilkshark
wtf for? were the one who have to deal with most of it.
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
You kidding me? Half of us already watch TV dramas/soap operas, this one's just real.
iSoulend
Nah but it's alright it's been a long time since I didn't hear people talking about politics in a good way, it give hope
DizzyNosferatu
Sshhh! What are you doing?? We're not supposed to do that, even when we're wrong. That's not the American way! http://imgur.com/uWjTsEA
YouCantKeepJetpackingAwayFromYourProblemsBrian
Ritt Momney. I just really like his name. MITT ROMNEEHHHHHH!
DarkUranium
Found the non-Canadian.
Tothebadcommentsection
I'm sorry why are you apologizing?
DatMormon
That's extremely brave of you to go on the record and officially apologize. I would have only unofficially apologized.
argentleroche
I'm an International Relations student specializing in American Politics. I live for this stuff. You don't need to apologize to me.
tryin2figureitout
Whats that like?
argentleroche
It's alright. Fairly academic and depressing at times. Not the worst thing to study IMO.
FindusSomKatten
don`t apoligise we are roting for bernie aswell
DarkUranium
Rotting?
FindusSomKatten
i don`t speak you language so it is possible that is what i meant
Kaylin
Rooting, probably.
DarkUranium
Rioting?
ElementOfConfusion
Just promise us; No internet law shit.
InnocentlyStandingBy
I don't think there is anything to apologize for
PickledPeaches
The constant bombardment of stuff that doesn't involve them will be annoying. You can't deny that. I'm into politics and already annoyed.
InnocentlyStandingBy
I think it involves everyone in some way. The world is global and not isolated. What happens on the US impacts Europe and vice versa
PickledPeaches
Regardless, the constant advertising, that all says the same thing, more than a YEAR before the election is tiresome. We do too much in US.
InnocentlyStandingBy
I'd hear what you're saying, but I'd much rather be informed than not. Granted imgur is not the place really for this
ColinWalker77
Actually, if non-Americans could give an outside perspective, and tell Americans to come to their senses and elect someone good, it'd help.
ColinWalker77
There's a guy in our country who has done all he could to fight against climate change, fight for a liveable wage and help reform politics.
ColinWalker77
He's actually been there to vote, unlike others with the same job, and he has made an effort to always vote with his heart for the people.
crashmat
I much prefer your politics to ours. Makes for great entertainment.
RedVagOfCourage
You don't have to watch our non-stop political ads.
AnybodyOutThere
It would be great entertainment here too if it ran for six weeks for so. These marathons we run get soooooooooo old.
eternalstar01
Don't worry, we're doing ours in Canada, too.
oedipuswasthe1stmotherfucker
Shut up Canada nobody cares.
valcarde
On the plus side, no more Harper soon.
froggyrules
but who the fuck will we elect then? Trudeau isn't very bright and any ndp victory means ruined economy in 3 years
Szwejkowski
Its in all our interests for you guys not to elect a fucknut - carry on. We ended up with a fucknut again (Cameron), do better than us.
SpiritMessage
We elected Merkel. Not my personal choice, but she's done nothing too bad. And no matter what: still better than Bush and Cameron
TheFoxCouncil
Yeah, well, we in Australia elected Abbott... I think we'd rather have Cameron...
MonKontanMang
Cameron... the same guy who's trying encryption? I'd sooner have neither of these dipshits but yet here we are, stuck with Abbott.
dizzyplaya
There's a trend in fucknuts these days. Abbott, Cameron, Harper et al
TonyMotherfuckingAbbott
U WANNA FECKIN' GO KUNT?
Kinderschlager
Germany and France only ones left it seems with their shit together
JustCallMeMrPigg
I wager Germany will be the last man standing in the super long run. Or Russia.
moonXbeam
Fffffffuuuuuuuck Harper with something hard and sandpappery. i dont care what good he's done he is still a creepy puppet
Horehey360
He's done good?
MonKontanMang
So fucking true and very sad.
IJNHiryu
As many problems we have with Harper, I don't know about Cameron, but I doubt either are anywhere near as bad as Abbott.
dizzyplaya
I'm Aussie/Canadian citizen, I am supremely disappointed by both my nation's leaders =[
Silentbunny
Cameron is the ultimate fucknugget.
Szwejkowski
I dunno, what about Theresa May? Fucknut delux with cuntsparkles.
Silentbunny
We could list a great many fucknuggets if we wanted to, Cameron is just the one in charge.
Silentbunny
Looks like someone likes Cameron, hope you enjoyed having an NHS.
Mikaru86
As a German, US politics is very entertaining. Depressing when you remember it's real, but great when you can tune that part out XD
sleepyimgurian
I've got to ask...when you see American politicians, does it make you think..."How fucking dumb are these Americans??!" and "why!?" etc...
Mikaru86
Sometimes a bit, yes. But I think the two party system that favors extremism is more at fault than the individual intelligence of the US >
Mikaru86
citizens. Not that their education system hasn't tried to lower that. I mean really, teaching creationism but not proper sex ed? o0
tryin2figureitout
They don't teach creationism.
IMayNotKnowWhatIAmTalkingAbout
If i were not American I would view it as a little scary, I mean we are basically a bi-polar angsty teen with the largest military industri
Mikaru86
Yeah that's the depressing part. You still have enough nukes to blow us all to hell several times (or just bring us conventional freedom) :X
IMayNotKnowWhatIAmTalkingAbout
industrial complex in the world. AND we have ego issues..
Equinox13
Imagine how depressing it is when you're actually an American. Somebody save me. Please.
Baconmac1234
Move to New Zealand or Australia. Europe. Maybe Nigeria.
Equinox13
Antarctica. It's the safest place.
TimTheScifiGuy
Don't apologise to me. I'm on the edge of my seat and following this race every step of the way. Feel the Bern!
Grunt5811
Dammit Im a fiscal republican and socially democrat'ish lol but this guy...this guy may turn me.
lmgursLibertarian
Sounds like you're a libertarian. Check out dr Paul.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
Remember that it's not like he will be able to implement full blown socialism, nor does he want to. The ship will just be steered a bit (1)
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
more left than right for the first time in decades. Not the end of the world and small price to pay for his integrity IMO. (2/2)
Grunt5811
Honestly, I haven't picked anyone, I don't like any of them so far. Either to far one way or the other or professional politician. uckkk
Debiandog
If he won (by some miracle) how much change do you think would happen in a corporately controlled Congress? They are bought and paid for
eggmuffin
That's not the point. It's about making it clear that a vote for an independent isn't a vote wasted. Congressmen and senators would follow.
arkemiffo
He said in the interview that him being elected is only part of the solution. The people has to support him as well. Call your reps. Daily.
GiantRobotsRule
Executive appointments, judicial appointments, exec orders, not starting wars, congress would have to compromise SOME. Bernie would do good.
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
Baby steps.
odinisthelord
But if he cannot win, how good do you think our chances are of ever getting congress back from the billionaires? President is easy mode.
hitshappens
Don't roll over and die just because the road is long. The internet is a tool the people can use to combat money.
codepink2303
which is why they want to control the internet too.
Mustacheuaquestion
They were voted in office. They can and should be voted out. Public seems to only care to vote for president. Need to vote more often.
idontknoweither
What concerns me when we elect a president is that the party they represent appoint supreme Court justices...for life.
hartmonica
they'll pull the same stalemates like they did with obama
Ineednointoductionkiddingimsteph
This is where paying attention to your local government officials come into play.
codepink2303
But because his campaign is clean of these sort of funds, he is in a position to call them out on it in a way Obama never could.
sebawlm
Bernie has addressed this. He's said that Obama's mistake was that upon taking office he said, "I'll take it from here". Bernie isn't (1/?)
sebawlm
going to do that. He said the only way to get Congress to budge is to mobilise a popular movement, with a million people marching on (2/?)
sebawlm
Washington, and to run a 50-state campaign to connect with the white working class, and convince them to stop voting against their (3/4)
sebawlm
own best interests. And he's right -- that's the *only* way that people can move Congress. (4/4)
TheStrawMan
I don't know too much about this guy but Imgur seems to love him; did he really say that though?
PeteTusk
That's why it isn't enough just to vote for Sanders. But it's also no reason not to.
AngelOMorte
Can't up vote this enough!! It's so true!!
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
I agree 100%. The president has power, but not legislative power. Only congress can make or change the laws, so we are all fucked.
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
I think he'd appeal directly to the American appeal on TV about what he's doing and who's stopping it and how to hold them accountable.
zoolian
Just curious what you think that would accomplish? Obama is on TV all the time
Ribsordierude
Bernie has a better record than Obama as far as voting and using his power, as he says he will.
rocklobstr0
That is truly what we need. Transparency and a voice who isn't afraid to go public about the government corruption
ThatDirtyOldMan
They'd tie his hands. I truly believe that we as a nation are far too corrupt to pull back now and the many still fear the few.
useroflight
It was seen as that back in the 20's as well. FDR changed all of that, I believe Sanders can be then next FDR, and we can make him that.
sebawlm
No more than we were when Teddy came along and busted up the oil and railroad industries, or when FDR gave s the New Deal. What was (1/2)
sebawlm
their secret? They mobilised millions of people to pressure lawmakers and made aggressive use of regulatory authority. Bernie can, too.(2/2)
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Debiandog
Because people don't want to hear the truth. We couldn't get a jobs bill for VETS passed during the Obama administration. Pretty pitiful!
InnocentlyStandingBy
I might just be a terrible person but why should vets get special treatment w/ finding jobs? There are a lot of ppl in general who want work
occamsrzr
1st day on the internet?
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ANewBadlyDrawnReactionImageAsIMakeThem
He'd have to goo radical hardline on the executive orders. We're talking Teddy Roosevelt-level governing. But he could do it.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
That's simply politics today. No one tries to cooperate. It's about trying to take out the other guy, not do something good.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
I suspect there are ways to get away from that, I'm just not sure what they are. More congressional softball games?
Tankdoggy
He could stand up every day and say "Billionaires are blocking reform, look at how much they donate to your rep." EVERY DAY.
rocklobstr0
exactly. The people need a voice and someone who isn't afraid to go public about these things
Tankdoggy
Yep, and no one else in this election is willing, or able, or has a track record of doing it.
GIsLife
Well giving this a shot is a lot better than throwing our arms up and saying FUCK IT. The president has a lot of influence.
ThatDirtyOldMan
agreed
YourWaifuIsTrash
We need to vote more in the Congressional elections; if we get enough people to care about it and get some of those bastards out...
YourWaifuIsTrash
...we might be able to make a difference, or at least start doing so. It doesn't help that we have no term limits, and only 1/3...
YourWaifuIsTrash
...of Congress can be elected in/out each election. But we can get some stuff done by doing that, and pushing for term limits.
superbest
Is there any way to change this?
MidWestSurfer
Yeah but you get labeled a terrorist or a traitor by trying.
Ogri
March on Washington DC with guns. All of you.
randomscienceguy
2nd amendment.
Alagane
Vote, make the change you want instead of giving in and saying there's no hope. If you want to get big money out, vote for the person who 1
Alagane
Agrees. Nothing will happen in a day but change has to start somewhere.
nightof11bangbangs
Out with career politicians who have made a living off being a cancer to our country.
irishsausage
^ This guy or gal gets it ... We can make a human wall and not let these crooks go to "work."
nightof11bangbangs
Bandaid fix sadly. What we need to do is get people from my generation to step up in the political arena. Only real solution.
PlutoIsSoAPlanet
There's nothing inherently wrong with career politicians, if they serve faithfully and expertly. They need to be reelected for a reason.
nightof11bangbangs
Although it wasn't explicitly implied, I'm only referring to a particular type, the dirtbag vriaty. If your goal is the betterment of (1/2)
PlutoIsSoAPlanet
Sry, I see a lot of people who seem to think term limits will solve all our problems and I do my best to explain why I disagree in 140 chara
nightof11bangbangs
This country and the lives of its people then I have no problem with that. I'd thank them for a life of public service, and buy em a beer.
YourWaifuIsTrash
THIS. Make sure you don't just vote for your preferred prez; we need some new fucking congressmen/congresswomen too.
Biophysics
evaluate all the countries objectively and move to the one that fits your lifestyle.
52tele
Obama has worked miracles with his executive orders. No more KinderEggs.
caboops
Oh God he also killed American citizens in drone strikes due to executive orders. Going around our laws is not respectable for a pres.
11235813213455891442333776109871597
Kinder Eggs have been illegal in he US long before Obama
SUNGZU
Since the '70s from what I read.
dpidcoe
well... you're not wrong.
TheBlackShakes
KinderEggs?
Lamech777
http://gawker.com/5990806/us-ban-on-kinder-surprise-eggs-finally-lifted-kinda
GaryFreakinOak
Those executive orders that are mostly illegal and are constantly being overturned, you mean those orders?
GaryFreakinOak
Also, I just love how the first instinct of Imgur is to silence me instead of having a conversation.
52tele
Yes. Those orders. I have not heard of any of them being overturned. I could be wrong, source?
GaryFreakinOak
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/06/26/a-humiliating-supreme-court-loss-for-obama/ one example, I'm looking for more.
PlutoIsSoAPlanet
Recess appointments are not Executive Orders.
PenguinKnees
I wish money didn't rule politics like this. I feel like we miss out on so much potential.
SupaCabra
I think the message is partly, it is up to us to educate ourselves on what/who is behind the ppl we vote for
indianprincess
I have worked on a national campaign before and we all need salaries.....
DistanceGirl
The way to fix this is to start electing people who believe it should be citizens not corporations whose voices are heard.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
i disagree. we as americans spend more money on gum in a year than all elections combined over 2 years.
AskingTheRealQuestions
That may be the strangest comparison I've ever seen.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
gum is so barely inconsequential compared to the federal budget. that's the point: we don't spend enough
AskingTheRealQuestions
Enough?! Why do you view political campaign spendings as something positive? It's exclusively negative.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
It is passive because it is speech, and the more political speech the better.
Captnrex
http://www.wolf-pac.com gogo
ThaiMaiShu
I think another problem is that most people who would be good politicians would never want to be a politician in the first place
WeAllLiveInAUserSubmarine
As a non-American, couldn't you guys ban political advertising? Its non existent across most of Europe
WallaceConnell
i see signs all the time in Germany
IWRITEEVERYTHINGINCAPS
WUT? I SEE POLITICAL ADVERTISING ALL OVER THE PLACE. ESPECIALLY DURING ELECTION. BUT IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO BAN IT. MORE REGULATION THOUGH.
hookerpenis
The true problem is apathy. Most only think of the gov. when it affects them. It takes huge amounts of ad spend to get people to vote. 1
SmashingK
They can but it turns into something else. UK parties get supposedly anonymous donations but it's all bullshit really.
missmaryMACKMACKMACK
it's a huge market in itself ... too many people make lots of dollars for it to be banned.
misterxax
They actually changed the law not that long ago to allow for more donations... They are moving in the opposite direction.
notme222
Is it? You don't have signs or websites? Or have you just driven advertising into hiding so it can't be labeled as such?
Krikr
People are impressionable. If a big "no ads" movement started ut would ironically be drowned out by a sea of counter ads.
HiveinMind
It's also best to keep in mind that the media is EVERYWHERE these days. Advertising is inevitable, even if they don't pay for it.
Snoozems
It's not a simple, "why don't you guys just stop?" The money is in there now, and it's gonna take a huge movement to get it out..like, huge
Nadas
Corporate personhood seems to me to be the bigger danger.
GiantRobotsRule
The 5 Republican Justices on the Supreme Court ruled that giving unlimited $$$ to candidate SuperPACs for political ads is "free speech".
cTrix
And that day the entire world facepalmed really, really hard. Is there any hope left for freedom in the USA?
vauhtihirmu
You need a citizen's movement to lobby for a change in the law. It may seem like a daunting task but it would seem that most people (1)
vauhtihirmu
agree that money=/=free speech, so people would probably join it all over. Best of luck! Assuming you're in the US that is :) (2/2)
beltray
The television companies are too powerful. They make way too much money off political ads and put too much money into lobbying.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Free speech :-/ It's one of the founding principals in the US. Can't limit what others say except in very, very specific situations.
DavidBrooker
You make it sound like Western Europe doesn't have free speech.
sinbios
You can limit how much money organizations can donate to political campaigns though. I don't see that as infringing on free speech.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Neither do I, but unfortunately the Supreme Court felt different. I think that's made the entire situation more difficult.
IntrepidOtter
Lots of countries have free speech and these kinds of restrictions on campaigns. America isn't some unique hyper-free state.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
1) You misunderstand me. To many Americans, the idea of "free speech" is sacred. Holy even. Trying to limit speech, for any reason, is
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
2) extremely difficult. It's like trying to filter the bible. I'm not claiming this is right or wrong, just that it likely won't happen.
flyingsolow
We have Party Political Broadcasts which are free and fairly allotted. No ads.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_political_broadcast
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
That's unlikely in the US. Besides, our media discusses and talks with politicians so much that the ads are probably not actually necessary.
cTrix
The point isn't to limit exposure. It's to limit politicians getting bribes and owing favours.
GrimRiderJ
Not necessary wouldn't cause billions to be spent continuously
imnicetopeopleontheinternet
Money in pol is like the chicken and the egg. Are politicians front-runners because they raise a lot of money or are they able to raise...
IChangeMySettings
It's money in exchange for favor in legislation, and also influence. I feel like big donors have their candidates by the ovaries/balls.
imnicetopeopleontheinternet
...money because they are popular (donors curry favor by donating to those who are likely to win). The latter would explain why many...
imnicetopeopleontheinternet
...large donors put money behind each candidate
Ihatewasp
How can we make a Go fund me for him where the max donation is $42?
6footdildo
Why don't you?
ardolino1989
Too bad Socialism got tied in with Communism, and all its positives are ignored.
ardolino1989
Due to Hollywood...
Valonquarsbigbrother
That's mainly in the USA. In Europe socialist parties are generally much more appreciated, although they have their own flaws of course
underaserpentsun
you can do something against it. consider joining wolf-pac for example.
McFarvo
yeah, wish there were less TV commercials & it was just a few independent polling websites that help people know where the candidates stand
McFarvo
http://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz seems ok, but not complete
chocolatemilkshark
wish wish wish says the fish. nothing will change says time.
timlovesraffi
Can we all just stop being complacent, and start legitimately supporting this shit?
helgur
Missing out on much potential? If this guy doesn't make the presidency, we're all fucked
kwagenknight
Yeah I also wish money didn't run a country's economy and is why I will not be voting for my friend Bernie bc he wants 50% of my 50k a year!
flyingsolow
I still can't believe how much they spend on campaigns over in the US. It's like a whole economy!
kwagenknight
It's fucked and we actually have debates in our political system of making campaign financing limitless and without restrictions!
SpitlessLlamaa
It is basically to run the economy in your interest if you give enough.
MegaweaponOfTheLostWorld
Sundowner would be proud.
GreaterDog
It's baffling and wasteful. And people overall are so uninformed that it takes that type of money to gain enough renown through big media.
Griffy11
Wasteful? The money is going into the economy, getting taxed and recycled. Better than rotting in some rich dudes bank account.
Mousecop
Baffling? Yes. Wasteful? No. A ton of people are employed by campaigns. More jobs, more income is a good thing!
uvwaex
True, but that also sort of explains rising income inequality...
FunPolice
It is wasteful in its long term effects though, considering that they are basically buying legislation to earn more money.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
For reference, Americans spend ~$2 billion on chewing gum annually, far more than we spend on all campaigns combined.
kwagenknight
Actually I wish you were right but look at my post above we are spending almost a third more then that now on each POTUS election...Sad
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
4billion/2 years on gum AKA 1 election cycle
Dayrest
And? What is your point? If I spend 8 hours a day sleeping that doesn't make it any better if I also spend 8 hours a day murdering people...
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
my point is the federal budget is trillions but we barely spend anything on deciding who should be in government
flyingsolow
For reference, in the UK the two major parties each spent around £17,000,000 in 2005. In the US the two spent almost $1,000,000,000 each.
NuclearWinterIsComing
For further reference that is 0.29$ per person in the UK and 3.10$ per person in the US. (Including conversion)
kwagenknight
We had no US election in 2005, but 2004=$1,910,000,000 / 2008=$2,799,000,000 / 2012=$2,600,000,000 rounded bc Fuck 100% accuracy!
ashipthatshipsshippingships
For those who aren't mathologists, that figure is ONE BILLION. With a B.
cinnamonster
Thousand, million, billion. 3, 6, and 9 zeros.
orangatuan
3 6 12.
GoodChange
As a swede, 17 million pounds still sounds like a crazy amount
IWRITEEVERYTHINGINCAPS
YUP, SWEDISH PARTIES ARE ONE OF THE TOP SPENDERS IN THE WORLD PER CAPITA. SWEDEN HAS ALSO BEEN CRITICICED BY EU FOR ITS LACK OF TRANSPARENCY
GoodChange
I googled what our elections costs. about half a billion crowns. roughly 38 million pounds so I guess we're spending a lot more. Wierd
flyingsolow
£17,000,000 = $26,000,000, so almost 40 times as much.
flyingsolow
American population is only around 5 times bigger than the UK. 64,000,000 vs 318,000,000.
Griffy11
What about gdp?
EverythingISeeIsAJojosReference
It still doesn't add up
lancerudager
Cash rules everything around me!
justacrazyscotsman
You're fucking right we do! If there were more people who wanted to actually represent us, the people, then holy fuck we'd be better off!
saucefordipping29
Agree.
Epoona
you do.
moldboy
2 words: contribution limits. In canada ever man, woman, child, company and organization can only (legally) give $1500.
theHammerklau
In New Zealand, 2014 lowest perceived corruption, non gov money attached to Politicians is snapped on... and US has lobbyists, GG, FREEDOM
blazera
be the change you want to see, as they say, the democracy is still there and you can vote for people not taking such money if you want.
blazera
and dont forget the power of word of mouth, freedom of speech is still there too and you should promote the candidate you'd like to see.
RedBeardedBastard
IKR shit if it wasn't for my crippling student debt I'd run for president! I'd probably lose, but still!
AskingTheRealQuestions
In Norway political TV ads, posters, billboards and blatant advertising in general is banned to make it less about money, worth a try?
StringVariable
3_3 Was this the change Obama promised?
cptkipard
Don't look at what politicians promise. Look at how they vote.
StringVariable
( ._.) I'll stop trying to be funny now.
SweetGeekling
1/2 Money and politics are dirty bed fellows. You always hear about how all money has cocaine on it- I feel like all money has political
foresthillsbob
Wish in one hand, shit in the other, see which hand fills up first.
c0mrade23
If only it worked like that
MrChurch
Constituents know so little about the politicians, massive advertising is essentially necessary.
SweetGeekling
2/2 bullshit attached to it.
xZora
SuperPACs and lobbyism controls politics when it really shouldn't. Congress voting for lobbys, rather than the people they represent.
NoTrumpEver
Yep.
DizzyNosferatu
It's mostly a liberal issue, but to give Republicans credit, a few of them are speaking out against Citizens United, too. I wish for more.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Mostly the older Republicans. Pre-Tea Party. Funny how much more I respect traditional Republicans now that the Tea Party is around.
InfinityDash
Real Republicans are against Citizen's United as well. Most Americans are staunch centrists.
LaissezFairy
I realize people's issue with Citizens United. But more people are going to the internet to research the candidates and rely less on..
LaissezFairy
whatever garbage their fed from FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc. That's just to answer the issue of PACs though.
chinablue
people vote along party lines regardless.
TimothyTebow
All that money for campaigning, yet no money for healthcare and creating infrastructure (to create more jobs). #BanCampaigning
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
we spend more money on gum in a year than all elections in 2 year cycle, which determines how trillions are spent
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JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
:-| all Americans together (WE) spend that amount of money on all campaigns.
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Mousecop
We actually spend a TON of money on health care. But the system is so broken that it doesn't translate to better care for the average person
Mousecop
More money won't help, we need a complete revamp of the health care system, away from a for-profit system.
theyak
um, that money pays for peoples' jobs
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theyak
the products and services are bought from people with jobs
notme222
What do you think happens to money after it's spent on campaigning?
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notme222
I'll ask the question again, and this time maybe answer more slowly: What do you think happens to the money they spend after they spend it?
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notme222
I'm saying money doesn't disappear from the planet just because one person spends it. Now someone else has it and the same logic applies.
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Yup. But it employs a bunch of people and ends up being super important to some local economies.
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sinbios
How is the system so broken that having big sponsors is what makes you competitive rather than the strength of your platform?
CrossedLines
I guess I'm going to be the one that bursts your bubble. The rich have always bough votes and controlled the political system everywhere.
shesaidgoodbyetotheground
Even George Washington bought people drinks to get them to vote for him
sinbios
You are the one living in a bubble where it's apparently impossible to fund campaigns publicly.
RomeoSniper
We should pay senators and congressmen minimum wage. That'll really cull the herd.
DropThePokemans
If you start paying them too little then they'll be more susceptible to bribery (not that they aren't already).Needs to be some middleground
InfinityDash
Why doesn't this comment have more points???
shesaidgoodbyetotheground
Because, while its a good idea to pay them less, minimum wage is too extreme.
splitalterego
Not really it would mean that they would just get more money from other sources :x
baronridiculous
I mean, not to rain on anyone's parade, but it's not like the press has taken a very hard look at him yet. It's all been pretty softball.
eggmuffin
We don't know how hard they've been looking. They've not been smearing him through his own dirt, so maybe there isn't much dirt to speak of.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
The best they can do is make fun of things he wrote badly or was wrong about 40+ years ago.
ArielKirkwood
Anywhere you think Bernie should be scrutinized more closely? I can't say there's a single part of his platform I strongly disagree with.
AFineDayForScience
I agree with most of his positions except for raising minimum wage. I feel like that would just increase inflation, but I'm no economist
baronridiculous
I'm not the one to ask, I'm well to the left of the median Democrat, even. But he has to sit down with a smart interviewer and talk 1/2
baronridiculous
about issues for a long time, and then we have to see what the bulk of the US electorate thinks of him. So far he's a cute non-threat. 2/3
baronridiculous
If he becomes a threat, the tone of the questions will change. Is he really that isolationist? What would that mean? What would his 3/4
baronridiculous
foreign policy objectives be? How would he go from Obamacare to single payer? Get down to the nitty-gritty, the devil's in the details. 4/4
16and0bears
He actually does fridays with bernie on the radio. Google it, he goes pretty in depth on his views and answers calls
baronridiculous
Right, I'm not saying he's hiding. I'm saying that until top level news people interview him and take him seriously and write analysis 1/2
RpblcCmmndo38
What do you mean? Imgur has been very impartial in their pants-jizzing over him
sinbios
There's sample bias due to imgur's (and reddit's) demographics.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
Please don't make the age argument. Look at pictures from Bernie's events, there are tons of old people excited about him.
gmdave
Demographics does not mean only age... On the internet there are lots of people outside the US, and they tend to lean more left than USA.
sinbios
(1) Do you think "demographics" means "age"? The users of this site are mostly white, male, tech savvy, very liberal, below average income.
sinbios
(2) These demographics are highly represented in Bernie's core support base. Women and racial minorities tend to support Clinton.
GaryFreakinOak
Generally speaking you don't find many conservatives online unless its specifically on a conservative site.
clickshytango
Seems like every time those demographics posts pop up though, imgur is fairly balanced politically. However, both skew young age-wise.
GaryFreakinOak
Note my phrasing. I never said they didn't exist. I said you cannot find them. Conservatives don't feel safe voicing opinions on most sites.
serenityfast
It's not like the press takes a very hard look at any candidate. This is the press in the year 2015, after all.
clickshytango
Can't wait for the ridiculous attack ads from both sides. They can get pretty mean. CANDIDATE 1 EATS BABIES, VOTE CANDIDATE 2!
TyberosTheRedWake
Have you read Dave Barry Hits Below the Beltway? If you haven't, do. It's hilarious and talks about campaign ads in one chapter.
FluffyCockroach
It's early, also Mr. Sanders has made it plain this will be a social media campaign, not a press campaign. Getting press time takes $$$$$.
AintNoPartyLikeAnOscarWildeParty
I love that the oldest candidate is best at using social media. take that, stereotypes!
HashtagDadJokes
I don't agree with thus guys polotics, but he seems to have what our country has been losing for decades; integrity.
playthatrecordbackwards
Don't Imgur, open inside.
HashtagDadJokes
Remember kids, open Imgur has no spell check.
StandardDeviant
That's the single biggest reason I support him. I agree with his policies, but his main draw is that he has genuine convictions.
McFarvo
yeah, I don't agree with him on all the issues, but it's not Hillary, so he's got that goin' for him
Ineednointoductionkiddingimsteph
I respect this and you.
thisismysocialsecuritynumber
Weren't people saying the same things about Ron Paul in 08 and 12 as they are about Bernie now?
DropThePokemans
It's harder to run when your policies aren't based on handouts.
kepler20c
Yeah, but Ron Paul isn't running this time, only Rand. I'll vote for Rand in the republican primary, but if it comes down to Bernie vs [+]
StandardDeviant
Rand is the shiniest of the turds on the heaping pile of shit that is the republican field
kepler20c
one of the idiots on the republican ticket I suppose I'll vote Bernie.
Wooohooovian
I still find it hard to believe that Hillary is running, and I'm supporting someone else. Go Bernie!!!
GrimRiderJ
Exactly this,
wuvmykittycat
I saw this man in person last month, he is a genuine person with real intentions. More than I can say for Clinton! Go Bernie!
WhatRaySay
I'm with you - I expected to be supporting Hillary for 2016, didn't see Bernie coming! I have more reading to do, but so far I'm pro Bernie!
GrimRiderJ
Exactly this
januaryonlakestreet
Same here! I was really excited when I heard Hillary was running but after researching more I'm Bernie 100%
PlutoIsSoAPlanet
I prefer Bernie, but I will not hesitate to go to the polls for Clinton next November if she's the nominee. I hope you'll do the same.
WhatRaySay
Indeed I will. I'm in NC, we went Blue in '08 and Red in '12, so every vote is going to count.
Lonecoon
Hillary will have to be dragged kicking and screaming for the race. She will stop at nothing to get the Democratic nomination.
IrrelevantButPlausibleConspiracyTheories
Like she did in 2008? She knows when she is licked.
PlutoIsSoAPlanet
2008 got kinda mean. So far the Dems seem above that stuff; I hope it stays that way.
ihavequestions
But she doesn't know when Bill has been licked.
FishingForConversation
I find it hard to believe that you'd support Hillary even if she was running against a ground squirrel that has rabies and mange.
DatDurTho
I would vote for the Terminator before I ever let myself live with the knowledge I voted for Hillary Clinton.
FishingForConversation
Yes. I would LITERALLY vote for Skynet before Hillary. This isn't sarcasm. I'm being honest. There would be less damage with skynet.
FishingForConversation
At least the terminators have feelings.
dpidcoe
Yeah seriously. Even if you're a die hard democrat, she's got so much corruption surrounding her she'll just make your ideology look bad.
TheDudeanator
What if it only had the mange but no rabies?
FishingForConversation
That's irrelevant because the hypothetical ground squirrel has BOTH mange and rabies.
dpidcoe
Then it would be a shoo in for sure.
GiantRobotsRule
Well If the Republican she runs against is a science-denying warmongering antichoice regressive, she may be the better option.
FishingForConversation
Skynet for President!
GiantRobotsRule
Well on the one hand, Skynet is a lot smarter than most politicians running. OTOH, I don't know if I can support their "anti-human" platform
FoxyLoxyBagels
I don't find it so hard to believe. Being the female Democrat doesn't automatically make them the better/best candidate.
MasterOfEntropy
Elizabeth Warren: http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1363126452_taco-girl-meme-generator-why-not-both-6ec00b.jpg
SomebodyStoleMyCarRadio
S/he didn't say that was why s/he likes Hilary though
StandardDeviant
She was the only candidate until Bernie started running
McFarvo
it does if you're a mainstream Leftard
McFarvo
lelelel
McFarvo
one for the haterz
sadwastedmexican
it's almost as though a woman can do just as awful a job as man can
Sasafras1500
But the sad truth of it is that Hilary will probably win due to just being a woman, even though she (imo) would be horrible for the country.
surruhmac
I dont get this mindset. For every person voting for her because shes a woman, theres certainly someone voting against her for that reason
Sasafras1500
I really doubt that. The amount of people who vote against her just because she is a woman has to be pretty damn low in the 21st century 1/2
Sasafras1500
but there is a hell of a lot of people voting for her in the name of progression without looking at the other democratic candidates 2/2.
Incidentally
I was hoping she'd be at least a slightly good candidate. Now that I can vote I've become rather cynical about all this political shizzle.
Demauscian
As long as that cynicism makes you more active in politics and not less that is good. The biggest problem is how few people are engaged.
fufuwewe
it does to most of the female population
rocklobstr0
Females should want a female president to win based on good policies. Winning strictly due to gender would be a step backwards for feminism.
fufuwewe
feminism in the last 20 years has been a step backwards, why wouldn't it continue
DeanWinchestersPie
Unfortunately, yes. But, as a female, I don't want a female pres just because she female, but because she's the best for the job.
DeanWinchestersPie
Which, by the way, ain't Hillary Clinton.
fufuwewe
if you really believe that, that you are just voting her as a female
DeanWinchestersPie
Hah like hell I'm voting for her. She's more of a bitch than I am, and that's saying something
Wooohooovian
huh? I've supported Hillary and her views and policies for years. I'm delighted yet surprised that there's someone I agree with even more.
TokensWorth
Can you provide me with 2 views or policies you support?
rollercostarican
doesnt she share most views with Bernie? I took that poll and i got 93% bernie, 91% hillary
YeWickedWitchOfWest
Yeah, except he's not as shady as the clintons are. I haven't decided my vote yet, but I know for sure it won't be Clinton.
donkeymoney
She's not just a "female democrat". She's been in national politics since before most Imgurians were born.
Sasafras1500
That doesn't mean she would be the best for the country, experience doesn't equate to how good they will be as a president, even though 1/2
Sasafras1500
it could help, that doesn't mean you should vote for her just because she's been in politics a long time 2/2
dogsi
Not really. She was the wife of a politician. Her political career began in 2000. The average Imgurian is not 15.
donkeymoney
The average Imgurian is less than 23, the number of years since she started campaigning for her husband's presidential bid.
donkeymoney
Calling the First Lady, especially one as active as her, just "the wife of a politician" is a gross misstatement.
sinbios
1) It does earn her Progressive Points though, which is appealing to the liberal voter base, and voters love to vote form over substance.
sinbios
2) As much as I think Bernie is the candidate America needs, from current polls it seems very unlikely he'll win the nomination.
ThisIsntWhoItWouldBeIfItWasntWhoItIs
What about the progressive points for her being against marijuana legalization and until 2013 strongly opposed gay marriage?
sinbios
That would require people to actually research her politics instead of jumping to "women in politics is progressive" tokenism.
mellowdrama
Everyone is predicting her nomination. I HOPE Bernie can prove them wrong!
ThatsIgnorant
Hilary is an evil cow with a giant trail of death and corruption behind her.
ThatLemonStealingHorse
She poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses!
bananatoast
I want to see that gif
ThatsIgnorant
I second that. Someone with skills please make it.
PlutoIsSoAPlanet
So, like, a bull?
Draggonflies
Sounds like Tammy
MantisTobagganMD
1 or 2?
Draggonflies
One was the librarian, right?
SamMan
But tell us how you really feel.
bitterandcynical
I was actually disgusted by this comment, but then I saw your username. Well played.
Kerryblue
Your name fits you to a tee
ThatsIgnorant
Awww thank you :) I like to use this account to make true statements and laugh at the morons who mock my name afterwords.
Kerryblue
Stupid is as stupid does.
boneapetite
She was beautifully innocent once upon a time. Check her back when Billy was president. Total BABE, and ambitious. But, eventually $old.
KittyArcher
When she was 1st lady she made her protection detail hide out of sight because she couldn't stand to look at them. This included swamps. 1/2
ThatsIgnorant
Ummm nope. Her and Bill have been on the same track since the college days.
boneapetite
You don't remember her vigorous effort to push for universal health care, do you? She was never bought but eventually gave in for funding.
KittyArcher
My source would be my father who got to spend months hiding with snakes and alligators while ensuring no one was bombing their ass. 2/2
DatDurTho
Hilary being pretty has nothing to do with how corrupt she is.
boneapetite
Reread my original comment before feeding off replies to bad comments. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993
Cheomesh
[citation needed]
BillyBaloney976
BLENGHRAZEEI!!!1!
Sprixxen
SOLD ATOM BOMBS TO RUSSIA!!!!1!
bingotown
So many more people on the right will be inspired to cast their votes for "NOT HILLARY" that I can't see how she'll win in the general.
donkeymoney
Dance like Bernie!
PunchViolenceInTheFace
Hard to believe anyone would vote for that liar lying phony.
DaDisser
I"m only surprised ppl are voting FOR her lol
CptRedBeerd
Mark my words, this is going to split the democrats like mondale did and we'll get another bush.
mousecove
One can't take votes from the other, there's no way you'd be able to vote Hillary 'or' Bernie in the general election. Both Dem. noms
yarnanimal
I really, really don't want this to be true.
IrrelevantButPlausibleConspiracyTheories
I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Nader in 2000.
CptRedBeerd
yes i believe so.
IrrelevantButPlausibleConspiracyTheories
But, let me assuage your fears, Sanders has stated that he will absolutely not be running unless it is on the Democratic ticket.
CptRedBeerd
Well that makes me feel a heap better. So the dispute will stay in the primaries. :)
Glink95
I still find it hard to believe that Hillary is running.
Teh4thReich
Why? She is an establishment Democrat and until Bernie's popularity exploded she was the odds on favorite for the nomination if she ran.
ThePenIsMightier10
Are you kidding? Hillary is a terrible choice for president.
jaypeg
dont say why or anything, just declare it as true because you said so. not that you will, you're in lockstep with whatever rush says anyway
ThePenIsMightier10
It's not hard to do some digging to see how corrupt she is. How "bought and paid for" she is. Don't be lazy.
jaypeg
just not as terrible as the entire republican field
ThePenIsMightier10
Based on what? You being liberal? Spare me.
jaypeg
go ahead and defend the 15 or so republicans running for president then
ThePenIsMightier10
Why? I don't like the funding they are getting either, so it boils down to philosophy for me.