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“Yea come work for us, we will pay you 0.75% more than your current job”
She’s like “I told the recruiter they shouldn’t waste their time if they can’t get to $xxx”. Recruiter said “we can make that happen!”
Spoiler: Recruiter did NOT make it happen
NightlyReaper
I've refused TWO jobs like that in the last few years. If you let them undervalue you, they will.
Tomadzo
Never should have happened. Either recruiter didn’t tell mgr or mgr is a cunt. Wasted everyone’s time. I’d be cautious w/that company.
username476
Recruiter job is to get you in the door, they have nothing to do with salary negotiation.
dreamliner77
A competent recruiter will present a candidate to a hiring manager with a full overview, including salary requirements.
DinosaursCameFromSpace
You’ve only just learned that recruiters lie?
johnetillman
Recruiters will tell you anything just to get someone in front of a hiring manager.
glovelyday
Never issue ultimatums unless you're willing to back them up.
neospor1n
Agreed, good thing she’s prepared to walk
darkweji
Sounds about right
Hellstorm99
Walk away. This is only the start of their fuckbaggery.
david42
Good for her. My wife took a job two years ago that paid less than she was making, but it's 40 hr/wk, period, and great bennies.
FeChefImgur
Yeah, recruiters suck. They get paid a commission, so they're just trying to place you anywhere, it's a numbers game for them.
Youthinkyourebetterthanme
Not all recruiters are paid commission. Shit rolls downhill and we’re at the bottom.
poughdrew
Last recruiter I worked with, who was very junior, I made this guy's career because I landed a senior role and negotiated the pay myself.~
poughdrew
~but he gets the finders fee aka commission.
kwayzu
I think thats all their job really is... connecting people, not negotiating.
Youthinkyourebetterthanme
That is literally most recruiters jobs. It’s the hiring manager that determines pay to offer. I wish I had the ability to determine rate.
kwayzu
yeah it just seems like a lot of people in the comments are blaming the recruiter... I don't see how a recruiter benefits from lowballing
DaDefenestrator
Never got a job offer of real value through a 3rd party recruiter.
ropetopus
Internal recruiters don't usually work on commission. External ones usually do. It pays to know which you're dealing with
imgursample
And they usually get a cut of your wages for 6-12 months or longer.
fanciestface
I loved my recruiter. They setup interviews, find good jobs. Got big pay bump. She still sends me Christmas gifts 2 years after I moved on.
Dreda101
Not a great start by the company to show they value her
kamkor1
Recruiters are almost always full of empty promises
CaptGunpowder
I would be like "Oh, 10% below my minimum? That's cute; but guess what? My minimum is now 25% higher. Would you like to keep arguing?"
NinjasStoleMyMama
I hope she didn't accept.
neospor1n
Nope. She’s petty, they said they’d have an offer next week so she’s slow playing the “no”. Has a different interview today
NinjasStoleMyMama
Cool. This is actually a decent time to be a worker in the US. Lots of opportunities. Hopefully she gets something good!
putcleverusernamehere
Easy. "As I mentioned, $X is my minimum, would love to work there for $X+. Please pass along my appreciation"
ButtersTheCat
Always put out a number higher than where you actually want to start negotiations, to set the expectation higher.
Kakeukh
Kakeukh
(... I meant that for the result, not the annoying character. Hope she gets the money.)
RoovyRoo
Easy solution is to lie to recruiters about your current salary. They know perfectly well you won't leave for less than current
ropetopus
Yes, unless the employer is one that does financial background checks, in which case you will get caught. Good to research that ahead
nanyatenyaa
Sounds like a great company to avoid working for anyways. Not worth the time. Just keep applying to jobs.
ropetopus
Eh, financial background check is due diligence for bonded roles, security clearances, adminning banking systems, etc.
nanyatenyaa
Plot twist. I'm referring to the bank using a background check as part of salary negotiation which is not ethical.
SayRamrod
an alternative viewpoint is they hire people with integrity. the salary check is to verify your truthfulness.
youcancallmesusanifitmakesyouhappy
Happened to me a while back too. “i’m making $40k, need more” - “yeah we can easily beat that”- weeks later “the position is yours for 29k”
terajack2048
It’s that metric to English conversion ask them to multiply by 2.2
Canofminus
IT Recruiters: Hi, we saw your profile. 20 yrs in IT, looking for sys admin level in state. How a/b an entry level job 2000 miles away?
Iwouldbenick
I just got offered an IT Manager position for $26 an hour now benefits. Hard pass.
Canofminus
A friend offered me a Senior Sys Admin postion & be the primary support contact for 3 distribution centers in addition to supporting the 1/?
Canofminus
the other distribution centers. B/c I'm in Vegas they wouldn't move north of $80K/yr. Good luck filling & keeping someone at that salary 2/2
Canofminus
*they being HR. My friend couldn’t get them to budge.
AgnosticPaladin
This happens to me once every 2-3 months.
capnlouie
I put >NO SALES< on my recruiting profile, an STILL get emails abt Insurance Sales jobs paying 1/3 of my current salary.
Canofminus
I use to get that all the time until I pulled my monster.com profile.
SeasonedCitizen
I read the spoiler in James Earl Jones voice.
neospor1n
Mufasa, Vader, king from coming to America, or coach in Beet of the best. Be more specific
SeasonedCitizen
Field of Dreams
neospor1n
Wait, field of dreams or the sandlot? Just wanted to make sure you and I are on the same…field
SeasonedCitizen
Terrence Mann.
youcannotwin
Fkin recruiters
byohzzrd
Ridiculous the amount they charge the businesses to find qualified staff just for them to turn around and fuck over the applicants as well.
SirSparblington
Yeah this
Youthinkyourebetterthanme
You should mean f*ck companies. We’re just paid people pushers unfortunately and get 90% of the shit.
PhunPhact
I've had recruiters hit me up for 6+ months about a job with Nike that they've interviewed me for twice. Finally told them to fuck off.
nanyatenyaa
I'm so fucking tired of recruiters. Consistently ask me about jobs without reading my resume and then when I check THEIR linkedin...
nanyatenyaa
...it becomes blatant they job hop like every 9 months so they have 0 buy-in with their company and probably are incompetent.
nanyatenyaa
Like why the fuck can't recruiters hold down a fucking job? Why should I work there if you don't want to?
nanyatenyaa
Are you so terrible at your job you have to hop this often? Why don't you read my fucking resume its right there!?!
Lemmingofdarkestnight
Glad she's passing. She should reward them by working for them after that
greenbuggied
Linkedin profile says "Recruiters don't waste my time if your offer is less than 6 figs". Get my time wasted on the regular.
Kitastrophe
They're either hoping she won't negotiate aggressively or they cannot afford her. The smart thing in both cases is a firm counter offer.
wyrihaximus
Recruiters lie
neospor1n
Whoa whoa whoa…don’t generalize about an entire group of people.
wyrihaximus
Generally, I agree but out of the countless recruiters I've dealt with for far, only one didn't lie.
dreamliner77
As a former recruiter, they're right. I can count on one hand the number former colleagues I trust.
WalksTheSky
Gotta send them a message. If they want talent, they need to pay more
Obijesus
I have no talent
Gibramovic
That'll be the bad kind of free market, socialist free market which is not very murican
imgursample
Not really, we only had to interview 14 people to find one that would work for the offered pay.
hyperchondriac
https://imgur.com/DEvKP2q
neospor1n
Best part—recruiter said “we know we tend to be below market” WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE RECRUITING?”
Smileyguyx
i would expect a reason to follow, namely additional benefits
Sooner70
I work below market value, but I actually enjoy the work and such. Money isn't everything. But if you pay low AND the job sucks....
ropetopus
Because they're trying to be forthright, and hoping that factors other than pay will appeal to you. Would you rather they hide that?
nobleImaginationWrecker
That company culture tho.........
dyxj
It _can_ be worth it, as long as "below market" isn't "can't afford to live in town"; plus other benefits, like HC. I had that exact convo >
dyxj
with a recruiter once. In reality, though, they weren't under market; they were trying to undercut their competition. "We're a little under>
dyxj
market. Oh, your other offers are even lower? Guess those places suck, then." I used that "under market" offer to negotiate at better place.
DeanOMiite
But wait, do they have a bunch of people from different races and cultures smiling on their website?
neospor1n
Yes, but the two black guys are actually the same guy just duplicated
TheComputerScientist
I get that you want to keep the company name off the record, but at the same time, can you please let us know the company? Sounds hilarious.
neospor1n
It’s not true, it was a reference to Scrubs where they comment their college had almost no black guy so Turk was in some photos twice
AzraelEternity
ThatsAGreatStoryIdLikeToHearItSometimeByeBye
There just twins. Twins that wear the same hoodies.
simbion
I had something similar happen. Applied w/ salary info, interviewed, got the job… $8k less than I made at the time. I had to pass.
30H1PPU5
You don’t have to turn it down right away. Go back and tell them what you want. Last time I switched jobs, they couldn’t match my salary
30H1PPU5
Demand (which was 18% over prior) but they offered me 12% over my expiring pay, plus tons of PTO, work from home, and lots of other stuff
30H1PPU5
That was important to me. Not to mention, I got good vibes from the company and it turned out to be a great fit!
lujotu
Good moves... Always gotta consider the full compensation package, it's never entirely about the money
neospor1n
Yea, she has multiple irons in the fire right now, so slow playing these people to give a chance to get offers from the others
terajack2048
You might not always get salary but could negotiate extra week vacation for lots of experience
UserNamePass
That doesn't feel like enough to me, and I'm at a shit job that gets no PTO.
Falkh12
I'd rather take a 10% increase on my salary over an extra 5 days of vacation. that's not at all equivalent
terajack2048
My point was if the salary is truly at a cap often times they can get you other perks if they want you bad enough
SkyCaptainNovix
They could come back with a better offer if she turns it down mentioning that it is below her requirement.
VaultGirl69
I've had this happen. I don't regret it and I do. A good environment is sometimes worth a little less. But I know I shouldn't settle...
CoryBarker127001
Then use that as the starting point for negotiations
siflandollysiflandollyshowROCK
But they won’t, they’ll find somebody to work for cheaper, have you never had a job before? Lol that’s how business works, cheapest possible
ropetopus
Yah, no. Job searches cost money, and smart businesses do not throw away a good hire they can afford for "maybe we can get cheaper"
Koztah
Started a new job 2 months ago at 20% more than I used to make, & they just gave me another 10% raise to make sure I don't look elsewhere.
DiningKruger
This attitude sinks companies, they're free to look elsewhere, but skills cost money.
JustFeedMePieDammit
They’re paying for it in other ways. High turnover, loss of productivity because you have to constantly train new staff etc etc
cuttysark
Employers haven't gotten the message yet, people are being pickier about what they will do and the population of workers is getting smaller.
Koztah
Many have. My new employer is currently shoveling raises, bonuses on staff to retain them. Raises and vacation weeks all around.
cuttysark
Sweet! My company has given some raises, but not to everyone...yet
Hibs06
Pay peanuts then expect a circus.
neospor1n
My wife is VERY attractive…professionally, so we will see.
ShockedAndAwed
Im telling her you said this. Enjoy the couch. ;)
SmashySashimi
Well now you GOTTA share pics of her... resume.
CraftyGiant
I was refused a raise at a company. I quit over it and my less skilled replacement couldn't handle the workload.
hillaryslegsarebeingdigested
1/ At my last company, I asked for help for 2 yrs. Finally took a job in another dept and warned them they needed at least two people in my
CraftyGiant
Yep, When I was 19 I quit a job at a lunch on restaurant i was working and they had to hire three people. Being overworked sucks.
CraftyGiant
Owner had just purchased land for an expansion. Last I checked they were two years behind on expanding and counting.
CraftyGiant
All because he wouldn't give me a cost of living adjustment that included enough to cover my rent increase.
hillaryslegsarebeingdigested
2/ role. After 3 wks, the CEO begged me to go back and run a team of 4 people to do what I had done for 5 total. They told me to name my
hillaryslegsarebeingdigested
3/3 price, but rejected every request. I took an infuriatingly small raise and put in my notice two weeks later.
dyxj
What the fuck? "We need you! Name your price!... Not that price... No, not that price either. Almost there, just a little lower... Great!"
hillaryslegsarebeingdigested
Yup. And to make it worse, the new role was one I had been working towards for two years. Even moved 2000mi for it. They sucked.
neospor1n
Yea. She told the hiring manager already, unclear if this offer was a test. She’s going to politely decline and say “give me more”
TizzedInMyPants
Yeah, hold your ground. I did this and got then to meet me at my "minimum" (which was where I actually wanted to be).
rockhydra
Had a grocery store do this time. Three interviews, and they had to call the hiring mgr in on his day off to tell me the lower amount. 1/2
rockhydra
I walked.
saldrSleepTaker
Mmmm. Porn.
DiamondDogLedTasso
I'd have her up her starting minimum price since you now know they are willing to low ball her from the start of her career with them
hillaryslegsarebeingdigested
I had this happen in July. They immediately came up to the very bottom of my range. I still declined. It's offensive.
spookyu
It signals how you'd be treated. "Hey, here's what I NEED, but more is better!" "Here's less than you need." "No?" "Okay just testing ya."
susancreature
You have to wonder what their raise policy is with that kind of behavior.
hillaryslegsarebeingdigested
Oh, it was great bc they also eliminated the next level up they had "guaranteed" a promotion to after 6 months since it was a lateral move.
Koztah
I tell recruiters that I currently make (slightly below desired salary) so they necessarily have to go higher or fuck off. Saves time.
hillaryslegsarebeingdigested
It shouldn't matter what I make now. Legally, they can't ask either. It should matter what the market anchor is and what I asked for.
Koztah
Exactly. They can't ask. So I can tell them whatever I want, and either they give me more than what I'm "asking" for or I save time.
SerialButtToucher
Had it happen to me. They low balled me by about 15k. They said they had the wrong paperwork when I declined. Buncha butts!