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Brock Tuner
Brock: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/us/sexual-assault-brock-turner-stanford/
Caroline Berriman
Caroline Berriman – http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/glamorous-teaching-assistant-30-spared-6501013
Erica Ann Ginnetti
Erica Ann Ginnetti - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/05/teacher-sex-30-days-candy_n_7006672.html
Krystal Harvey
Krystal Harvey - https://plus.google.com/117826476876655114400/posts
http://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting/real-life/in-the-news/kiwi-mum-escapes-jail-after-sexually-abusing-her-own-one-year-old-son
Jennifer Berube
Jennifer Berube - http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-slit-throat-aqcuitted-attempted-murder-article-1.1815198
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRO55KG_2ic
Tanya Ramirez
Tanya Ramirez - http://www.kristv.com/story/30939177/no-jail-time-for-teacher-who-admits-to-sex-with-student
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3408641/Teacher-pleads-guilty-sleeping-17-year-old-student-SUES-victim-s-mother-telling-media-sexual-predator.html
Tyler Kost
Tyler Kost:
http://www.abc15.com/news/region-central-southern-az/florence/tyler-kost-update-defense-says-teen-rape-suspect-may-have-been-set-up-
https://www.fundedjustice.com/en/projects/19294--FreeTylerKost2K15
https://www.facebook.com/freetylerkost/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3029727/He-needs-taught-lesson-Lawyers-teen-accused-raping-13-girls-say-social-media-chats-prove-framed-player.html
pocatella
Lumping a homicide in with rapists and pedophiles doesn't help whatever it is you're trying to do.
pookafurbaby
I have more than 1 girlfriend that were brutally raped and they neither ever saw an ounce of justice despite reporting it. It's sad
ZVanderberg
"BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MEN!?"
DrOfMachetecine
They should have gotten worse as well. Doesn't mean this kid should get off easy.
R3tr0P0tat0
He also took pictures of his victim and spread them around to his friends. The judge knew about this.
TheNortherner
Here you have some other people that got off easy, why din't we care about them as well?
TheNortherner
I do not thin that this is a case of he got what he deserved. But rather a case of he gotof easy, and we all care.
Dafirnz
The Tyler Kost situation is disgusting. Plain and simple.
eagerophiuchus
If an issue affects millions of people, you aren't going to prove this point in 7 photos. Imgur can't fit what needs to be said.
EJ9utah
Why is this about gender? Are you all 5 years old? I understand the argument that men often get it worse, but both genders always get fucked
Tuffey
yes because you can sum up an entire case in a few lines. don't get me wrong I agree with most of these but be careful.
eagerophiuchus
...The photos you don't have are the most interesting ones. Nearly every rapist is walking among us after never facing any punishment.
Sapphu
oh come on do you people always HAVE to attempt to trivialize an important case by comparing it to cases where *men* got shafted instead
Sapphu
apples to oranges. they are all shitty situations.
Nbdycares
The drunk kid fingered some drunk chick in an alley. Hardly "an important case".
buzzdoodle
I was wondering how long it would take this shit to appear. All the crimes are awful, don't use it as an excuse for a "BUT THE MEN" party.
thornmallow
Yea, but did you bother to read the case report or is this just what you learned through memes?
SonOfTheWolfKing
so...because these didn't get what they deserved he shouldn't either? are we not allowed to suddenly realise we fucked up and try to correct
SonOfTheWolfKing
it?
qwert4567
He touched a women inappropriately; he should absolutely be punished. Same as the women who molested minors>
qwert4567
>should get more than house arrest for their crimes. Is that unfair?
lickwidghost
What i find discussing is op comparing attempted police murder with sex with a17yo. I know US has different laws but in many countries 1)
lickwidghost
She would've done absolutely nothing wrong. 17yos can make perfectly clear choices like that and the only problem is that she's a teacher 2)
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
And even if a 17yo can't make perfectly clear choices about whatever, then neither can an 18yo.
lickwidghost
But 7 years probation is a lot. Ban her from teaching minors for 10 years, tell the parents to parent properly and be done with it.
derpaderps
The point of the post is lost when you include consensual instances of statutory
qwert4567
So, it's ok to have sex with a minor, provided they don't say no?
derpaderps
You're not helping the merit of your post by jumping out of left field with provocation irrelevant to the point before you. Ridiculous.
MONORacer
I, too, could cherry pick a handful of examples that imply something. Come back when you have something concrete, preferably well researched
TibbleSniggits
But...it's so much easier to Frankenstein a narrative together with cherry picked data...
Draconigena16
It's not the fact that he only got 6 months, its the REASONING the judge gave for the small sentence that has people so pissed.
Xsiah
The reasoning that putting people in prison makes people more likely to commit more crimes after they learn from the professionals?
Draconigena16
No, the reason the judge gave was that as a good swimmer with a career ahead of him a long sentence would have too big of an impact (1/2)
Draconigena16
on the rest of his life.
Xsiah
Right, instead of learning how to be a better adult, he'd be learning how to be a better criminal.
NobodyLurksLikeGaston
That's the point of this post. Why is no one up in arms over the fact that all these women got off easy for stupid reasons (being a woman)?
helolse
pretty sure its both...6 months is nothing
Draconigena16
This is true, but I think the judges backward ass reasoning is what makes people more mad.
NobodyLurksLikeGaston
That's the point of this post. Why is no one up in arms over the fact that all these women got off easy for stupid reasons (being a woman)?
htmwc
The fedora is strong with this one.
TheNortherner
Yes, speak about equal rights in a way that isn't biased towards females and you must be a neckbeard no life.
qwert4567
The fat rolls are heavy with this one.
HeyDontBeADick
So what's the pattern you are showing? Or are you trying to disprove the claim that wealthy white men are given preferential treatment?
qwert4567
He received jail time for committing a crime. Most female aggressors don't receive any jail for crimes and when they do, it's minimal.
Briandavi
Most of your examples are with consenting 15-17 YOs. Different crime, Different sentencing.
Regdor
If theyre trying to disprove the claim that wealthy white men get preferential treatment it would be compared to black males not white women
blueboy
The answer is no. None of these are okay.
aurbanpirate
White text. Black outline. Why are we still struggling with this?
edwardsaladfingers
I can't tell if you are actually outraged about sexual violence or just a misogynist asshole.
bawjaws2000
2 wrongs don't make a right.
ItsThoseZanyGermans
Those kinds of spiteful lists just play the victims against each other, only serve the empty purpose of allowing the OP blow of steam & 1/2
Neorago
I agree. Yes, all cases deserve proper outcry, but we shouldn't put down the one that actually did to highlight that. It's a small victory
ItsThoseZanyGermans
That's what I was going for with "spiteful lists". There will always be high profile cases & there WERE with female on male cases as well.
ItsThoseZanyGermans
2/2 sit in their own echo chamber. Getting raped isn't a competition & trying to start an internet flamewar isn't productive or helpful.
Mimsey
Now go post this when someone brings up the other side of the discussion and watch your post go -12 on votes instead of +12.
NobodyThinksYoureFunny
I'm curious what you mean by the "other side of the discussion" and the "opposite situation".
Mimsey
This sentiment only gets upvoted in this situation. When you bring it up in the opposite situation you just get mocked and downvoted.
ItsThoseZanyGermans
You mean ridiculously high sentences, I assume? If so, no I still don't think much of such lists. Equal treatment, fair trials and 1/2
ItsThoseZanyGermans
2/2 an unbiased judiciary don't come from imgur. At least start a change.org petition or something...
DoctorMantisTobogganMD
Half of these were only considered rape because of the age of the "victim" where in fact the victim was probably consenting. Very (1)
swatdattwat
I feel like the teacher with a 17 year old is really nbd
DoctorMantisTobogganMD
Different from where Brock literally raped an unconscious person who had not consented. Not arguing they shouldn't have been punished, (2)
DoctorMantisTobogganMD
Just pointing out that some of these can't exactly be compared to the Brock Turner case.
Nomtombouts
By definition, if they're under 18 they cannot give consent. Legally, it's similar, although not the same. A judge should treat it as such
valentinevar
Agreed. There's a big difference between having sex with a consenting 17 year old and having sex with an unconscious person (1)
valentinevar
I have a friend who has been having sex since she was 13 - and ended up marrying the guy (who is 1 year older than her). They have 2 kids.
valentinevar
ps - They're in their mid 20s right now and had the kids after they got married (I think she was like 22?)
TheNortherner
Sex between a 13 and 14year old is not the same as sex between a 13 and a 25year old. In your case neither had reached the age of consent
slobbols
While I think the above post is very skewed, sex between an adult and an underage person is considered rape for a reason.
crimsondog
A person under the age of consent cannot legally consent, so they are categorically a victim. Stop kicking up dust, rape is rape.
Craicerjack
As with anything there are degrees. Kinda like murder. Hence 1st, 2nd etc...
HeWhoPours
It's a tough one, think of history and our race in general. 18 is practically old for when people would start fucking. Sex becomes relevant1
HeWhoPours
2/ after you go through puberty, which can be like 12 or 13 or what have you. It's kinda an arbitrary situation, as pointed out by others
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
Not legally =/= not actually. Generally I agree with you, but if someone no more than 1 year under the age of consent gives consent, I...
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
...I don't think it's 'rape'.
MykillMetal
So, on your 18th birthday, you just get the ability to know what you are and aren't ready for? And couldn't do so, literally, a day ago?
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
Yeah that's pretty askewed. I generally agree with the dude, but if you 'can' consent at 18yo, then you can also probly do it at 17.
heatherkb85
I hate women. << what OP actually means.
qwert4567
How did you arrive at that conclusion based on this? Because I think criminals should be held accountable means I hate women?
heatherkb85
People who actively work to demonize women to try to defray legitimate arguments about sexism & inequality usually hate women, yeah. Sorry.
qwert4567
Source? You know, like the ones I posted on every single one of my arguments. No? Just feelings instead of facts? Do you even vaccinate?
Craicerjack
So Turners sentence was okay with you @op?
qwert4567
When compared to how these women were treated, yes; he got jail time. When compared to how he and these women should be treated, no. 1/2
Craicerjack
so rape sentences should be based on what other rapists get, not on the rapists actual crime?
qwert4567
These women mentioned should have gotten years, & many should be on the sex offenders registry; and he should have gotten more than 6 mo.
mechanimated
You make it sound like you only want rapists, or anyone, punished appropriately as long as women (not other men) are also being punished.
qwert4567
I want equal treatment for equal crimes.
Craicerjack
the very first woman you posted got 2 years.
qwert4567
Would you ever see an article about an "attractive male rapist?" She's cited as "Glamorous" as a pedophile. Stop playing down what they did.
Craicerjack
1 - I never commented on what they did. 2 - Commenting on women's appearance in the media is a huge issue for feminists.
thisdarkthing
The issue should not be about gender but about the lack of judicial recourse for rapists.
Mimsey
Post this on the next upload about a male rapist and watch yourself be downvoted. People only post this to dismiss this specific discussion.
44no44
You're wrong. Your perception is skewed, you see agendas where there are none, and your assumptions are irreconcilable with reality.
Mimsey
Prove it. All of it.
Mimsey
Prove it. All of it.
44no44
It's easy to believe that there's some large and biased group out to get you when you can look online and see the few that exist pooled 2/3
44no44
Think about friends, family. How many of them do you believe are hypocritically holding agendas against men when they talk about this case?
ZVanderberg
Just like how their view of equality is being able to hit women back.
BeefMuffin93
2/2 "When, if a woman assaults me, am I allowed to defend myself without being labeled as a criminal?".
ZVanderberg
Because that's clearly not the thought process. It's just whiny neckbeards who like seeing women get hit.
BeefMuffin93
You not wanting to believe that's how they think and vilifying people doesn't mean they're actually shit.
BeefMuffin93
You seem to see those thoughts as "When will i be allowed to assault a women?". When really the thought process is 1/2
Mimsey
Key word: Back. But nice going trying to dodge the point with an unrelated issue.
Mnwall28
There is a big discrimination issue when it comes to the judicial system and men and women not to mention race
confesionario
http://users.clas.ufl.edu/lhasel/Spring2015AltAssign8.pdf
Mimsey
True. Men get something like 68% harsher sentences for identical crimes and identical criminal histories. Never seen a rally for that.
DongSayaDae
Especially so if you take "old M /young F", compared to "old F and young M". this set of crime the men gets about 100-300% harsher sentence.
DongSayaDae
Where the hell is the justice in that, same crime same punishment. The End. But for some reason i guess boys cant get traumatized by rape !?
seeriktus
Boys DO get traumatised by such rape, but they are taught that they should enjoy it, and women cant rape. Shamed as unmasculine.
confesionario
This is a fair comparison as OP is controlling for race factor. Comparing apples with apples.
JoelJoestar
And RELIGION
HeyDontBeADick
I think this is actually about wealth and class.
Mimsey
The gender gap in sentencing and conviction dwarfs all other factors. Race, class, age, etc.
BLawww
Homeless lady got away with attempting to kill a police officer. So, nope.
HeyDontBeADick
I mean the reason this story is huge is because of class. The rage is because of the justice system's class bias, i.e. affluenza, etc.
rubbarz
What is there to get out of that tho. Cant pay the government for crimes but will take up money to give a place to live and food everyday.
confesionario
It is about gender. The courts go easy on women because vagina.
ILiveUnderARock
Ohh so that particular 'male' rapist was actually a pussy?
confesionario
Well, you would not be wrong there.
HeyDontBeADick
I see that this post is about gender - I mean that the reason this is a huge story is because of the class disparity in the justice system.
HeyDontBeADick
And this feels like it's derailing the conversation about class by saying "look look there's a gender issue over here!"
Wodenifferous
Yanno, I dunno. The class gap in justice is obvious in shitloads of cases, so there's lots of chances to yell at clouds about that. But it's
loveandallthat
OK, but people were mad about all of these things too. You can see in the articles you linked. So what's your point?
helolse
yeah not to mention that these cases are really not comparable at all. OP is just a pathetic MRA with no knowledge of the justice system
superninjabagels
Far fewer people were upset about these rulings than they were with the Brock case just because he is male, wealthy, and white
override367
He's a sexist who's trying to defend a rapist
loveandallthat
Exactly.
JamBarn
The point is that it wasn't the same people mad about Brock.
avadakadabra
Im not sure how you could possibly know that, but alright
JamBarn
Yeah, okay.
Wodenifferous
The tragic thing is, men's rights types absolutely have a few issues that are real, big problems and they're right to be angry about, but
mbus
One of the best descriptions of the situation I've ever read. Thanks for taking the time to post all that.
Wodenifferous
the anti-feminist and anti-woman slant of the movement means that a great deal of their justified anger is spent on things like this,
Wodenifferous
where it's a huge problem that totally needs to be talked about, but the focus is not anti-problem or even pro-men, but anti-woman.
Wodenifferous
This issue in particular is one where pro-men activists would be well served to work with feminists who have been talking about it for
Wodenifferous
years, but because the movement's central focus isn't pro-men but anti-feminist, they can't do that. It's a shitty situation for everybody.
Squirll
How is it anti woman
Wodenifferous
Both Men's Rights and feminist discussions are about the gaps between the genders. Mainstream feminism discusses lifting women up to close
Wodenifferous
those gaps. Men's Rights generally focuses on bringing women down to close the gaps. e.g. MRAs see the fact that men die much more often
Squirll
I'm just going to reply to this comment lol but yeah I see. Thanks for providing examples
Squirll
And downvoted for asking a question. Imgur is awfully touchy today
evanjellyman
bunch of asswipes mate
Wodenifferous
No kidding. :/ FWIW, I didn't downvote you. That was a legitimate question.