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#amazing #cool#facts #mildly_interesting#science_and_tech
May 20, 2020 9:37 PM
beyondbeliev3
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#amazing #cool#facts #mildly_interesting#science_and_tech
surfwiththedevilinthepalemoonlight
Talk about quarantining.
bekind2joeblake
As an American, it’s hard to imagine having that kind of personal history in the area you live. Pretty cool
SimpleJack35
Wouldn't millions of people be living relatives?
bobbob1016
I'm curious if the family ever left and came back...
ChallengerDeep
Also, this led me to research cheddar cheese. A quick googling shows it was in fact invented in Cheddar, England.
Corona688
Let me blow your mind about Champagne, Black Forest Cake, and Ebola.
cinemeasctha
History teacher shouting 'This is my history, this is my town' like someone out of Braveheart.
Skynet2xx
Really says something about the place, or the family having not moved for 300 generations
eddbrowne
I guess he's received a substantial inheritance.
DoublevBomb
I couldn't help but read that to the tune of "this is my rifle, this is my gun".
accidentalhydronaut
Genes*
Inkfinger
Thought that was Harvey Keitel for a second
SaudadeOfSunday
Imagine 300 generations of people not leaving your home town. Oof.
SpaceTaco22
Yeah but they all boned, so... congrats on the poon, brah?
Stntmx
Mmm... it didn't require all of them to stay, just one per generation long enough to mate.
KarenFromTheHOA
Maybe it's a really nice town.
WaffleDoood
It'd have to be. Imagine telling someone to fuck off and accidentally insulting 3 members of your family in one go.
WaffleDoood
Mind you, that WOULD be useful.
AnAccountToPostThis
Literally everyone with European genes would be related to a European from 300 generations ago...
Corona688
Not this closely though.
Drakesfear
BBC Sauce https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/science-environment-42939192
AchDuLieber
A tough lineage... because we all know, it ain’t easy being cheesy.
hireling
Guy on the right looks like a cross between actors David Warner and Robert Englund.
notabotandnotnotabot
They should totally put the DNA of all these old skeletons in 23 and Me. I'd love to know my relationship to them.
ChanceVLuck
Super duper great grand dad has one hell of a tan for a Brit.
aintnothinbutahounddog28
Thats extremely British. This man wins every pub Brit-off. Cant be more English than this man. He won't brag though, cause thats not Britisg
thequicksilver
Okay, neat, but serious question: how is there not enough genetic drift over 300 generations to make knowing the ancestry impossible?
jamieca
Yeah. If you share half your DNA with each parent, you’ll share 4.9x10^-91 going back 300 generations...
Corona688
You share 99% of your DNA with all humans. You share 90% with a banana.
tooomanystevesgotbanned
Recently?!! This happened in ~1998!
TheRicM
The 90s was only ten years ago though
glaug
That's right
tooomanystevesgotbanned
Good point. I was born 20 years ago, in the 80s
Shane2017
Why is Cheddar man black? If he's from England, or really any cold climate, then he is FAR more likely to be white.
ablindnorwegian
"most likely dark" www.nhm.ac.uk/our-science/our-work/origins-evolution-and-futures/human-adaptation-diet-disease/cheddar-man-faq.html
Shane2017
Q: Why is he Black? _ A: Because science. ~~ Thank you.
Corona688
They've done reconstructions on both. They don't have strong evidence for what skin color was that far back.
Shane2017
First humans in Britain was 900,000 years ago. This Cheddar Man was only 9,000 years ago. The skin color should have adapted by that stage.
gastonlikegaston
"I'm black yo"
AsaCanadianIagreeandIamsorry
I visited chedder once. Cheese and there were goats chilling out on the cliffs....that's what I saw..
AmZero85
Damn! I thought it was amazing to have traced my family tree back to the 1500s.
jappie348
You should respect me, i'm 1/16th cheddar man
amoeba15
And the rest? Is it too horrible to mention or is it all Gouda?
CascadianTwilight
This guy's skin color makes Nazis so mad lol
bluemagister
there's no evidence either way. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161867-ancient-dark-skinned-briton-cheddar-man-find-may-not-be-true/
ablindnorwegian
"most likely dark" www.nhm.ac.uk/our-science/our-work/origins-evolution-and-futures/human-adaptation-diet-disease/cheddar-man-faq.html
babboonkrew
"If you disagree, you're a nazi" sounds like fascism to me....
CascadianTwilight
All I said was that Nazis really hate that a native of the British Isles had dark skin 80,000 years ago
CascadianTwilight
I've read plenty of posts from dyed-in-the-wool Nazis about this exact case and boy do they get pissy about it.
CascadianTwilight
Also, calling people Nazis because they disagree with you is not at all what Nazis did. They were more into putting those people into camps
joe50
Well arnt we all related to people that lived 9k years ago?
Efreeti
Statistically, yes. E.g. most Europeans are likely related to Charlemagne, but having evidence of that lineage is something else entirely.
ChilledOutEntertainer
Yes - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identical_ancestors_point?wprov=sfla1
Spiderbubble
We're all related to different somethings that existed millions of years ago! MAGIC!
Crockpotseal
Yes but finding a direct ancestor 1/2 mile from where you live is pretty cool. That's like great x 360 grandpa.
ChilledOutEntertainer
What do you mean by direct ancestor? Everyone alive is either his ancestor or not.
Crockpotseal
Like...your grandparent is your direct ancestor, but your great aunt/uncle is not a direct ancestor, but still and ancestor.
ChilledOutEntertainer
An ancestor is someone from whom you are descended. It's not the same as a relation.
ChilledOutEntertainer
If you go back 9000 years theres no difference between aunts and grandparents. Imagine the multitude of paths you can take up the
ChilledOutEntertainer
continuously splitting family tree.
minuteye
iirc, he wasn't a *direct* ancestor, just a relative. Still pretty cool.
Crockpotseal
Oh, well that's less exciting then. Damn
puupbuuts
I think it's still exciting. I'm related to President William McKinley, and even though he was a bastard I think that's cool.
joe50
Yes that's true people are always on the move
joeyecho101
Drakesfear
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/science-environment-42939192
CompressedInfo
Gneurshk
goodolstuff
That’s a human person
Pronak
That could mean different things.
ChernyiVolk
Hey can you hand me that rock over there?
IMustGrowUpReally
Paint? Ffs, they've provided a photo taken 9,000 years ago. What more do you want??
RootEnoch
Recently? The cheddar man was excavated in 1903.
tegfdd77
Yeah but dna wasn’t tested then
alsofalso9
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/the-family-link-that-reaches-back-300-generations-to-a-cheddar-cave-1271542.html DNA testing done 1997
MrBigbyRPB
Yes, but DNA testing is relatively recent. Fortunately they were able to extract DNA
pinglis5
Yup. He and the man Targett were found to have a common female ancestor. This was discovered 22 years ago.
aslanlives
Misplaced modifier. (Relatively) Recently the DNA was linked to descendant, not recently found skele. Let eat, grandma vs let's eat grandma
Cowfister
The model is just another example of the idiots in academia today.
razorgirl1066
They based a lot of it off of DNA. Including skin color.
razorgirl1066
https://www.nhm.ac.uk/our-science/our-work/origins-evolution-and-futures/human-adaptation-diet-disease/cheddar-man-faq.html
razorgirl1066
Link to download word file: https://www.biorxiv.org/highwire/filestream/82058/field_highwire_adjunct_files/4/267443-13.docx
purpletara
Once again Debunked https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161867-ancient-dark-skinned-briton-cheddar-man-find-may-not-be-true/
Turbolibros
Not exactly debunked, since current models are limited, and DNA is 10 000 years old.
Hitsuzen9
Paywall
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ASDFFDSAASDFASDF
why'd they make him black?
ablindnorwegian
"most likely dark" www.nhm.ac.uk/our-science/our-work/origins-evolution-and-futures/human-adaptation-diet-disease/cheddar-man-faq.html
Corona688
Because they truly don't have a clue what his skin color was.
MinorityOpinion
Part of the ongoing political assault on the English people and thier culture.
ASDFFDSAASDFASDF
while simultaneously a microagression slight against the primitive blacks. triple points
MinorityOpinion
Oh yes - I didn't get that, but you're right.
ASDFFDSAASDFASDF
;)
MinorityOpinion
They even gave him the patchy beard of an African.
purpletara
Researchers made the model dark skinned on a lark, iirc.
dogwithahumanface
Your comment was made on a lark. Researchers make models based on *checks notes* research.
purpletara
It's almost as though some research isn't peer-reviewed and is of very low quality, you doofus. https://blog.insito.me/slicing-cheddar-man-d
purpletara
It's almost as though some research isn't peer-reviewed and is of very low quality, you doofus. https://blog.insito.me/slicing-cheddar-man-d
razorgirl1066
They didn't, they based it off the DNA.
razorgirl1066
https://www.nhm.ac.uk/our-science/our-work/origins-evolution-and-futures/human-adaptation-diet-disease/cheddar-man-faq.html
purpletara
DEBUNKED https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161867-ancient-dark-skinned-briton-cheddar-man-find-may-not-be-true/
Hitsuzen9
Paywall
razorgirl1066
Do you have another source that isn't behind a paywall?
Turbolibros
Article in Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/7zi904/ancient_darkskinned_briton_cheddar_man_find_may/duo6njx/
razorgirl1066
I can't read it.
Turbolibros
https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/7zi904/ancient_darkskinned_briton_cheddar_man_find_may/duo6njx/
SepiaSkies
That's ... not debunking. That's acknowledging the reality that models are built using inference and the consensus of best available data.
Turbolibros
cromulicious
Until a …
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odamanda
1/ Obviously, you either don't understand what you're reading, or don't even have access to the full article. Turns out I do:
odamanda
3/ Next time you want to wave the "debunked" flag, start with getting your facts straights, you massive buffoon.
odamanda
2/ "It’s not a simple statement of ‘this person was dark-skinned’," says Walsh. “It is his most probable profile, based on current research"
SubtleHarbinger
Studies show that humans started developing a pale pigmentation around 8,000 years ago. Its a pretty safe bet he would be dark skinned.
OmnipotentBeing
It is weird that pale blue and green eyes existed with the dark skinned inhabitants before lighter skinned people arrived. Interesting.
Rips4w
What studies?
PoorSucker
Michael Jackson did it in one generation
Drewscifer
My university sociology teacher lectured that it takes 50,000 years
purpletara
CITATION NEEDED 8,000 years is a very, very short time ago. You are very likely wrong.
NotACanadian
Rips4w
A quick google search comes back with a estimatiom between 125,00 and 65,000 years ago, when we began migrating away from the tropics.
Rips4w
Estimation* , 125,000*
educatingfools1
"we"
Rips4w
Yeah....we humans.
razorgirl1066
https://www.nhm.ac.uk/our-science/our-work/origins-evolution-and-futures/human-adaptation-diet-disease/cheddar-man-faq.html
razorgirl1066
For Cheddar Man at least.
purpletara
DEBUNKED: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161867-ancient-dark-skinned-briton-cheddar-man-find-may-not-be-true/
Turbolibros
Not exactly debunked, since the DNA is degraded and current tools are limited. Besides, environmental factors should be considered.
Hitsuzen9
Paywall
halfwindsor
"May" being the operative word in that headline…
SubtleHarbinger
Here's the study I read. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin
SubtleHarbinger
Sorry, its not a study, it's an article.
purpletara
And it talks about migration, not that people started developing lighter skin, a process that took place a lot longer ago than 8,000 years.