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ShamanOfHigh
I like that people are arguing about the origin of a meme depicting mass propaganda in the comments here.
jeffsoc653
I think you're referring to the Head Chef of Proper stanza, Steve Gaburble.
WalrusMuscles
Keairan
That title is a bit of a mess.
YoeyDiamantes
regarded was one
OlderWiser
Here's the deal. You're either a leader or a follower. Since most don't want to be leaders, you choose who to follow. Make the choice.
NorfolkInWayMan
@boobcat
AdorableTinyKitties
If you can tell something is propaganda. It isn't working the way it should.
BreadyStinellis
*on you. It may work on millions of other people.
atcguy01
Gee, I wonder what you're trying to say...
scout48cav
Goebbels
yamatto
Dear all: Goebbels wasn't at Nuremberg due to being fucking dead. Goering did say this, but it was horseshit then and still is now.
BreadyStinellis
How is it horseshit? That's how propaganda works. We've seen it repeatedly.
HeWhoMustNotBeBlamed
We're seeing it today.
BreadyStinellis
Yes, we are.
Korolev787
Not from the Nuremberg Trials. From Goebbel's diary.
Johnbarelykorn
The grammar police have arrived. The future is past tense.
rainmakerab
Wat th hek z gonna on here?
konabrown
Do the words not ring true? Don't care if this is a quote from Ricky Bobbi.
Johnbarelykorn
Meh, History...we are doomed
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BreadyStinellis
It's how propaganda works.
SleezyHamHound
Goering was commander of the Luftwaffe... Goebels perhaps?
meatshieldxxl
Chief of propaganda was Joseph Gorbels
Irongient
Gobbles
syu100
Grobels is in Glasgow
Ventura2099
ParadigmShiftingWithoutAClutch
Goebbels*
EiGhTy5iVe
I think you mean Joseph Gerbils
Curtisthecactusthelightupcactus
Joseph Turkeyman
EiGhTy5iVe
Turkey Stuffingjosephman
EiGhTy5iVe
No wait, Turkey Stuffingham the second
TremendouslyBestWords
It's bad enough that it's true, but it's even worse that it still works after everyone has heard this. Our history education really sucks.
molotovb
Absolutely true, lack of education nearly always being a part of the game plan of governments/regimes like Nazi Germany.
ThomasMontgomeryHaverford
Eh. It's less a lack of information, and more that patriotism and nationalism are both very strong social forces. Every country has lots of1
ThomasMontgomeryHaverford
people with all sorts of different views. To bring all those people into an organized polity where everyone, at the very least, buys into 2/
ThomasMontgomeryHaverford
the idea that they're part of a broader country is really difficult. Germany in the 1800s, for example, required a massive nationalist 3/
ThomasMontgomeryHaverford
movement to create the country we know today out of numerous little princedoms and fiefdoms. Or look at pre (and post) revolution U.S. 4/
ThomasMontgomeryHaverford
where colonies (later states) saw one another almost as distrustful foreigners. 5/
HolyShitZoom
Honestly I'm surprised this post wasn't downvoted to hell as it normally is.
TokensWorth
Trump is for peace and Prosperity. We voted right. WarHawking Obama and HRC, we dodged a bullet.
HolyCringeLordBatman
Boots on the ground against ISIS is peace? Crazy.
HesGotTwoFirstNames
Could have had Bernie, we donked up
snewsh
The way he completely rolled over for clinton soured him to me.
Nugs0
I think you meant 'as'... I starred at the title for too long trying to make sense of it.
B0ULLIE
Lol it confused you for that long?
Ventura2099
Ventura2099
Auto correct
ImAkuTheShapeShiftingMasterofDarkness
More like auto incorrect.
madmardagan
I think you meant "stared"... I stared at your comment for too long trying to make sence of it.
Nugs0
I did. I also think you meant 'sense' it briefly looked over your comment and noticed that.
madmardagan
Yah, my bad. Also I think you meant "I"... I briefly looked over your comment and noticed that.
Nugs0
God dammit, I give up. lol
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madmardagan
Aw, I thought we were doing it on purpose... but then I forgot to misspell something in my last comment... :. \
SJohnson23
SS delivered.
toboldlygowherenomanhasgonebefore
Luftwaffe
DrEvo82
I think you're thinking of Goebbels.
Cavalrysword
Gerbils.
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ChrisTallant
Why aren't you voted higher? Let's remedy that.
ImAFoxButNotReally
Goebbels should be considered one of the evilest masterminds of all time. His teachings are used everywhere by bad people to convince masses
ImAFoxButNotReally
He has done a terrible damage to modern society because he taught a way of messing with the society's mind to do whatever they want.
Curtisthecactusthelightupcactus
I agree. Definitely Goebbels
Leozas
Can someone explain this to my friend?
bornontherightsideoftheriver
1/3 Yess that could be true. Seen as that Goebbels was the minister of propaganda and he was very productive and quite succesfull in it.
bornontherightsideoftheriver
3/3The quote is in fact his but he was not the greatest propagandist in the world or even of the Nazi's.
paniconenvy
Don't quote me on this, but I believe the quote should be attributed to Joseph Goebbels instead of Hermann Goering
LLCoolBeans
No, this is a Goering quote, Goebbles is just the one who actually did it.
paniconenvy
I'm not that versed on Nazi quotes. I was just explaining the other comment about it
bornontherightsideoftheriver
2/3Though he wasn't alive at the time of the trials (killed himself after the fall of Berlin)
WillParker
Or faked his death and moved to Argentina.
bornontherightsideoftheriver
Could be.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
The quote is correct, and correctly attributed, but Goering wasn't the Nazi Minister of Propaganda.
tomyironmane
... the funny thing was the experiments they did trying to prove him wrong.
madmanatrakzi
Which experiments?
TidyOctopus
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tomyironmane
Millgram Experiment, Stanford Prison experiment, all those scientists searching for aberrant brain structures and the study of Phrenology...
madmanatrakzi
I'm not following you. Weren't both of those experiments controversial because they seemed to show that "evil" as you put it, is (1/2)
madmanatrakzi
found in the heart of every man? In addition, I don't understand how any of this is linked to phrenology (2/2)
tomyironmane
They were really trying to prove the opposite.... and had very disturbing findings about how close evil really is.
tomyironmane
... all of them trying to prove that evil can be found in some malady or deformation of the mind, rather than in the hearts of every man.
StevesSegallbladder
I feel this is how Trump got elected. Mixed that with selling ideas people wanting to hear vs what's actually plausible and voila.
molotovb
Definitely a bunch of fear mongering, yes - immigrants, muslims. But also because he was the only candidate promising real change.
molotovb
(Not that I agree with it, personally I think he's a horrible choice which will lead to some really terrible stuff, worldwide.)
Fredfinks
People dont want millions of muslims & illegal mexicans entering. Theres no middle ground - its open free for all or someone else: trump
StevesSegallbladder
The thing is looking over the things he said after he became PE he clearly just said a lot of things just to win. I know any president 1
StevesSegallbladder
2 does that but hear me out. He's acknowledge multiple times (drain the swamp incident, send her to jail thing, etc) that he had no real
StevesSegallbladder
3 intention on doing it. He just new it was a good seller. Truth be told I didn't like Trump at first but now I realize he's brilliant.
StevesSegallbladder
4 He played on what people felt and what sold rather than what he knew was actually plausible and he fucking won. That's genius if you ask
GogglesGreek
Trump blatantly lied to you, saying "your life is terrible because those other groups of people." All his promises meant nothing to him.
d0o0o0d
Trump got elected because the Democrats took the rust-belt union workers who used to be the backbone of the party for granted.
StevesSegallbladder
I'd say there's some truth in that and 140 characters isn't exactly the best way to fully elaborate but long story short: Hillary lost, he 1
StevesSegallbladder
2 knew what sold (not what was actually going to happen), It was different for a change, and people who thought they had no voice have one.
WowSoSparkly
Why are you downvoted? Also, why did she ignore WI and M? Because she took them for granted. You cannot just expect people to vote for you.
WowSoSparkly
Furthermore, you just cannot ignore, then admonish voters when they DARED vote for Stein or whomever. People's votes are NOT your propriety.
snewsh
The same places trump was campaigning like crazy in the last days of the election. And people are suprised that hillary lost.
AnneFranklyMyDearIDontGiveADamn
Why not both?
wingod
If the election was effected by the Russians how did Hillary win the popular vote? Selective espionage/mind control?
HiddenSanity
I don't follow your logic? They're not gonna be able to get 100% of the votes, they just did what they could and hoped it'd be 'enough'.
wingod
If Russian hackers have more of a say than the candidate nominated that speaks volumes for the candidate.
wingod
Saying we have Intelligence that links Russia to the hacks is one thing claiming they influenced the election is another. I still 1/2
dangerousDoc
Its how demos are trying to start a war with Russia currently. OH THEY ARE ATTACKING US! TRUST US ON THAT! DON'T BELIEVE THE FBI! BELIEVE US
GogglesGreek
And if you believe that Clinton/Obama want a war because Putin said they want a war, then you're believing Russia over the US. Why is that?
dangerousDoc
Then we have the fact that Clinton just wants a scape goat so her investors don't take their money back
dangerousDoc
I don't trust putin, I trust the FBI's statements. Clinton was majorly backed by media and Defense contractors who make bank on wars. (1)
GogglesGreek
What FBI Statements?
dangerousDoc
FBI was against the findings of Russia hacking the us for months only after they've come under fire by the press/put in secret meetings (1)
dangerousDoc
was there a reversal. No evidence was given by the CIA to the public and FBI's proof is still in the public (points to internal DNC leak)
GogglesGreek
If you believe that Putin hasn't been attacking Europe/US with cyber warfare to make them weaker for Russia's gains, you're in denial.
dangerousDoc
Its a serious accusation to make. Where is the proof? CIA refused to share theirs with the ODNI while FBI has been transparent with findings
GogglesGreek
The CIA is still actively investigating the entirety of this, but the point remains that they are certain of this. And if you want to sit
GogglesGreek
it was someone Russian, and someone powerful pulling the strings. And Putin has already done this in several European nations.
wingod
So provide some evidence that it was even a Russian. All I here is half of our intelligence believes it was Russia.
GogglesGreek
there and say "Putin is telling the truth, the CIA is lying", then think about how insane, and how borderline treasonous that sounds.
wingod
How treasonous is it for the losing party to claim the election was rigged and offering no proof?
GogglesGreek
And it's not a serious accusation to say "I trust Russia over the US's intelligence agencies?" We know enough info as is to know that
dangerousDoc
No I trust The FBI and their groups more as they've given all the evidence they can to the public CIA keeps hiding it all and says TRUST US
Fredfinks
Matters not whether theres a wall there, its whether adequate systems & policies r in place. Sanctuary cities are ridiculous criminal havens
StevesSegallbladder
I agree but the point I'm making is notice how his rhetoric changed. He practically went from "Yeah I'm going to do this!" to 1/2
Fredfinks
stepping out, ill reply to you in few hrs. pls dont reply to yourself .to read convo i have to click your name. do this >
StevesSegallbladder
"Eh it's not that bad or that big of a deal." Honestly I'm not even upset I'm impressed. Previous presidents don't own up to it like he does
GogglesGreek
Because he's suffers from a Narcissistic Personality Disorder and literally thinks he's a god, he can't *not* brag about duping voters.
Fredfinks
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StevesSegallbladder
Fair enough but I'm essentially done. Trump supporter or not just look at how he's changed his message so drastically and see what I'm sayin
Fredfinks
sorry for late reply. I understand your point & i agree with it in part. Of coursed its embellished. i dont think going after clinton>
Fredfinks
So you say we are sold on a lie. Absolutely not true at all. His election is best thing for the western sphere in a long time.
Fredfinks
3< immigration policies for starters. Enough kowtowing to islam.
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madmardagan
Then again, sometimes there *IS* a clear and present existential threat to a country and you'd be an idiot not to be for neutralizing it.
canadianreserve
As long as neutralizing doesn't mean killing, I am all for that.
7Rhymes
Like Covid! Plenty of people choose not just to ignore it, but willingly spread it with no care for others!
gadgetice
Welcome to the acception of propoganda :]
rdkah123
Did you mean "acceptation?" Do you mean the prior commenter is "accepting" propaganda as true
molotovb
The problem is in how you react to some other country following THEIR propaganda. Should France have never gone to war when invaded?
PeacefulWarfare
The Russians in world war 2?
AsheLake
History is much more clear than anything we will personally encounter.
PeacefulWarfare
Of course. Just stating that it does occur. Difficult to sift through what we are shown by the media though.
iwouldliveinsaltforyou
neutralise? hell we elected it
FragileReality
I don't know many Americans that spell neutralize with an 's.'
iwouldliveinsaltforyou
I think spelling it with a Z looks weird. Both spellings are considered correct. Im definitely american
madmardagan
The only thing I dread for the next four years is the left melodramatic hand-wringing. Lets make the safe spaces nice and quiet children.
Sheepyhead
I would be somewhat distressed if abortion is banned or gays face forced electroshock conversion therapy.
madmardagan
None of that is going to happen. You're just proving my point.
Sheepyhead
Yeah it's not like you have people in some of the most powerful positions in the country who wants to push for that
iwouldliveinsaltforyou
Fuck you. The only thing you'll see these hands do is flip you and your fake president the bird.
madmardagan
I didn't vote for him but that doesn't make you and your ilk any less annoying.
iwouldliveinsaltforyou
You are funny. It's annoying to care about things? Fuck you who ever you voted for.
schizotech
Yea! Like Russia! Hacking our election! Hacking HRC!
wingod
If you're more outraged by them hacking than you are about what was in the emails you never cared about a clean election to begin with.
BuschjostBoxer
EXACTLY! Typically the dems and their media hacks don't think they did anything wrong. The truth got out about their unlimited corruption
schizotech
It's obvious the emails were hacked, faked and given to WL! If you dont believe it you are LITERALLY HITLER!
wingod
For all I know it could have been a puss ed off tech savvy Bernie supporter who was pissed she fucked him over.
schizotech
No you've got to get with the narrative. It was the Russians, WW3 with the Russians is preferable to a Trump presidency!
wingod
Nobody is saying they weren't hacked prove who did it before creating an international incident!
YouWillNotLikeThis
*If you're more outraged by them hacking than you are about what was in the emails you have read the mails. There is nothing in them
wingod
The emails hacked showed why they lost. Had they nominated Bernie he would have wiped the floor with Trump. 1/2
wingod
Abstained*
wingod
I said from day 1 the only way I would vote for Trump was if Hillary won the nomination. I would have obtained if Bernie won. 2/2