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EGOT
My dad had a bumper sticker"Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them here" And that's why I've always been an organ donor
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killdread
no you don't, you just have to be fairly freshly dead, i think the rule of thumb is 24 hours? though it might be closer to 12
mmurphy3333
I donated a kidney to my brother 32 years ago...you're damn right I'm an organ donor...in life and afterlife.
Jstaleness
Be car-ful what you wish for.
ImOnTheToiletRN
I am/was a biker. I donate to air ambulance and am a donor, cus it'd be awkward if I got air lifted and didn't pay a penny towards it. (2-
ImOnTheToiletRN
2) they don't get any funding from the government. And If I kick the bucket it'd be a waste to chuck my body out the window.
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodCthulhu
I you refuse to donate, you can't receive any organs either, that's how it should be, makes the choice a lot easier.
sumowoman
That would actually be fair. The system should be opt-out instead of opt-in in that case.
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodCthulhu
Exactly.. If you consciously opt-out, you will not receive any benefits (unless you're medically excluded, then it's out of your hands)
taxifour
smoothest recovery ever
TrueRoXeR
Come on now... your telling me they don't just take our organs anyways. Who would know? Anyone asked to see the organs in the casket
kpmatias
oxygen pumping through for organs to be viable, it's not like they can turn off the machines wait for family to mourn then turn it back on.
kpmatias
now other donations like tissue, bones & joints. Likely quite a few shady dealings but they also aren't high in demand or life dependent
BigFloppyPancakes
Plus that hole is way too small.
LaserFistOfPunBunnies
The car will fit in nicely when it's cremated
AGROOVYASSASSIN
Probably just really deep
BigFloppyPancakes
I mean, wouldn't dropping it in nose first damage it? You'd want a fairly shallow car sized hole.
AGROOVYASSASSIN
He's burying it. Why would it matter?
NZSheeps
Who wants to drive a dented Bentley around in the afterlife (and does heaven have valet parking?)
JadeFlames2
It's heaven. You don't walk in as a grinded up pile of meat, you come in as you truly are.
MostExtremeModerate
The car will go in the hole vertically, as if he died from an accident by driving in to a ditch and went through the front glass
dontlookatmyfavorites
Some people believe u still need them in the afterlife.. Kinda weird.
Ssssssssssss
Not terribly weird. I'm an organ donor and I have a belief about wholeness of remains. It's why I wish to have what's left of me in a tomb
Bis67
In fact, it was not buried.
Sp0oky
I feel like i've absolutely destroyed mine thus far and am afraid that i'll give them away and then they'll die from a heart attack day 1
WhyNotZoidbergsAsshole
if you're a donor with bad parts, they arn't going to put them in someone else. they use your body for education instead.
TallAndGeeky
I tried to be an Oregon donor...
TallAndGeeky
Apparently you're not allowed to give away a state when you die.
canyouthriveat35
I already have the paperwork filled out. Organ donor then the rest is to be donated to science. Cremated and returned home when they're done
iappreciategoodpuns
As deep as the cars grave
SkylaKitty
Well, he's not wrong
Columcille
The rich want the poor to donate their organs. As seen in many SciFi movies.
nomsdv
So we’ve always just been obsessed about what others do with their own bodies huh? Incredible
trout007
Because socialism. Make a market for organs and we will have plenty.
MartijnPasker
You're so fucking stupid, i have no clue how you made this comment.
trout007
Let's see. High demand. Price controls set to zero. Large shortages. Sounds like socialism to me.
Drovous
Or maby supply is low because most organs are needed to live. The same problem is in the US and everywhere else. Its not a socialist prob.
trout007
You can't sell them because the government controls the market and set the price to zero.
MartijnPasker
What are you talking about? i don't give a shit about that part... The second part is the most stupid thing i have ever heard.
trout007
If people could get paid for their organs there would be plenty available.
MartijnPasker
The fact that you cannot see the biggest flaw ever in your idea hurts my eyes.
Drovous
Through human trafficing, even donating a kidney can really change how you live, so most would not. As well as you know needing your heart.
wagonburner5000
Isn't that what doctors, emts, ambulance drivers call bikers?
EveryBodyLovesMe
Sometimes, but only as a joke (dark humor) They are there to save lives, they couldn't live with holding back any treatment or effort
Newt47
I've always heard that they will be less inclined to save your life if you are in critical condition so they can get them body parts.
RealTalkHeaven
I heard that they won't medicate you too much or shock you too many times if you're a donor. They won't "try" as hard to preserve the organs
sumowoman
Why would they care less about you than they care about the person who gets the new body part?
EveryBodyLovesMe
Untrue. Emergency personnel could not live with that decision, we do not play God. We only intervene and do our best to avoid death.
atombongsmoker
I think that it should be an opt out system, instead of opting in. The people who have solid reasons for not donating would opt out. -->
TheDudeOrHisDudeness
I wouldn't even require solid reason. Many people (who don't want it now) wouldn't even want to be bothered to go somewhere to opt out
atombongsmoker
Everyone else would be a donor by default.
kpmatias
yep. we are lazy. best to have a donor by default system.
fauxvol
This is how it works where I live. You don't really need a reason to opt out, but you do need to do paperwork, so most people don't bother
rainbowcoloredpoop
I agree, but bodily autonomy prevents it from happening. It could become a slippery slope to abortion becoming illegal in some places.
SuckAnElf
I don't see how the two are related at all?
rainbowcoloredpoop
In an opt-out system people are assumed to want to give up (part of) their body for other people, even when they haven't made 1/2
rainbowcoloredpoop
2/2 a conscious decision to do so. Pro-lifers could use this bodily autonomy breach to take the choice of abortion away from people.
theriseofthemiau
I work in donation and that's how it works for some tissue. Unless specifically stated non-donor, we ask the family if we can proceed.
ScrewWhatYouThinkIUpvoteSelfies
I almost wrote that exact same thing. Glad you got to it first. At least I'm not the only one who believes this
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodCthulhu
Yes, this should be the bare minimum
Eyerion
That´s how it works in Austria.
Hooliehan
The only down side of this is undiagnosed transmittable diseases or wankers not saying that have something that could affect the recipient
pinecone
I'd assume the medical staff test for many things. We have opt out-solution now, before that the opt in system was "make it known that you 1
pinecone
wish to be donor." Card in wallet was enough, or just saying to somebody before you die, there was no control for that. 2/2
lapomm
What's a good reason to opt out? This is a real question, I can't think of one
CauchyEulerFoLyfe
Hello, perusing random: I have diabetes, which should automatically disqualify me as a donor; I want to, but all my organs are affected.
Hooliehan
HIV, CANCER etc I'm a donor but a lot of reasons why u should if u know u have something that can be past by blood
atombongsmoker
Religions preference is really the only one I've ever heard of. Some people just don't want to be opened up and had things taken from -->
atombongsmoker
Their body. Some people think it's disrespectful and disturbing the corpse and because of that it might have an effect on their afterlife-->
atombongsmoker
Another reason might be medical problems, like hep c or hiv or some other thing that could be transfered to the receiver. I would hope -->
atombongsmoker
There is thorough testing so it wouldn't really matter if you were a donor or not. They wouldn't use diseased organs for transplant.
WarKittyKat
Some people are also worried that being an organ donor might work against them if they're unconscious in the hospital.
lapomm
Good point.
rsvr79
Except he can sell his Bentley for a lot of profit. Can my wife sell my organs after I die? Why am I expected to give them away for free?
waltk89
Nah, Bentleys and rolls royces depreciate pretty quickly, you can pick one up for about 10k, a decent one for 20-30.
icookfoodandfightfire
well yeah you can sell them for a lot more than that car and you can save lives too
MoodyOfNorway
#justcapitalistthings
sendstufftomyinbox
Because what you may be giving away for free may be the most valuable gift another could receieve
rsvr79
Don't care. I would rather gift my family multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars to guarantee their future first.
DVSBSTrD
He's not going to profit from selling his Bentley after he's dead, genius. And because it's helping someone.
Lookyalurker
If the poor could die for the rich, they'd make a good living.
Bentosauce
Martin Shkreli?
rsvr79
Do you know how much organs go for? That would set my family up for years. Why should I not want that after I die?
trout007
Do doctors do the transplant for free?
Stonemace
Doctors make a ton of money off of organ donations, so I think they do.
BaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaBATMAN
They do it for free because they get a lot of money for it?
Stonemace
Well, yeah. You donate the organs, they cut you open. You don't pay them anything, and they make money. Organs are expensive.
legalbeagleOSU
Why should someone have to pay for an organ they absolutely need in order to live from someone who is dead and cannot use it anymore?
rsvr79
Because your body legally belongs to your next of kin. Why should they not benefit from the sale of a very expensive asset?
killdread
if organ transplants were free you'd have a point there, but it costs about 1 million dollars to get a new heart already
killdread
what's so wrong about wanting to make things easier on the people you leave behind by getting some of the profit from that?
DontKnowWhatImDoingButHopeIsGood
Well the black market will take them if you selling them, just saying
kentnl
Don't be silly, only *doctors* can make a profit off your organs when you die.
BootyWrangler69
Because you're possibly saving a fucking life
rsvr79
Sure. So? My family could greatly benefit from that sale, and I care a lot more about helping them than some anonymous organ recipient.
mrlemonbarz
i think its just nice to give your organs to someone who needs it to keep living. you're already dead. Throwing money into this is greedy
rsvr79
Do you not have a family to provide for? What happens to them after you die? Why would you not guarantee a huge sum of money for them?
mrlemonbarz
I mean, I wouldnt rely on the sale of my organs to sustain them after I die.
drealuv
What'd you pay for your organs? Nothing? Oh, and how many lives can a Bentley save? Cone on now.
RonarOfTheRebellion
Cause creating such a legal market would create an ethical dilemma. Also, making it easier to sell organs would make it more "worth it" (1)
RonarOfTheRebellion
for people to steal your organs. And finally, organs are that expensive cause people don't generally donate them. Supply and Demand.
Mack1986
Why an ethical dilemma? If I have them I choose to sell them to a particular person I think deserves it. Yes rich may have more access
GodApollo
Because if it was legal someone would kill you and take your organs to sell for profit you twit.
RonarOfTheRebellion
PS. this can be exploited. "You're poor and can't provide for your family. Kill yourself, give me your lungs and I'll give money to them"
Mack1986
What an amazing opportunity
RonarOfTheRebellion
Exactly, poor people would die waiting for an organ that no one donates cause why donate when you can sell while rich people would just (1)
Bomber916
Simple. Just cap the price of the organ. Insurance companies will gladly pay for organs as long as the cost isnt astronomical because...
Bomber916
...getting a transplant over with quickly is cheaper keeping someone alive on a waiting list. A cap of $50k might be a good deal for both.
RonarOfTheRebellion
buy them. Should we prioritize who lives and who dies based on personal wealth? Is ones life more important and sacred than someone else's?
Grogan87
Yes.
SonsOfMoog
I'm pretty sure your value to society determines your place on the donation list, stateside. Please prove me wrong, Imgur.
rsvr79
That's exactly what happens now. Who would get a heart first? Bill Gates or Bill from Accounting?
FlyingSquirrelMan
Is it? Because there's a guy named Rockefeller who got his sixth heart transplant recently at age 99. But his wealth is mere coincidence?
Tamaska
Because helping humans is the right thing to do? You don't need them
rsvr79
Right. I'm helping my family by providing them a significant source of money immediately following the loss of my income.
Tamaska
We clearly have different opinions... I don't think human organs should be valued like that
cynicalbile
This is the most retarded thing I've read today. You're DEAD. Your organs mean NOTHING TO YOU.
ResetButton
1/2 Commonly respecting wishes for your body after you are dead helps strengthen the concept of personal power during life. You wouldn't
TheFinalDoctor
it's still their body. they get to choose what they want to do with it. (seriously though, all a gov't would have to do to have 90%+
pinecone
There is nobody that would qualify to "their" in "their body". The person is dead, only corpse remains.
TheFinalDoctor
organ donations from its citizens is to make it so you have to opt out of organ donating)
NAVYCMAN
People who died and left their families with large amounts of debt could use their organs to help pay down that debt? Maybe?
E7018
This^ I want my funeral to be covered and my close family be taken care of for X ammount of years (whatever my stuff is worth) by whoever
cynicalbile
So take out life insurance. Or save some cash in a box.
E7018
Harvests my guts (government/private practice/whatever)
rsvr79
The monetary value would mean a lot to my family after I'm dead. Heart, lungs, kidneys, and liver are about half a million dollars.
cynicalbile
How much are they worth to the person who actually needs them?
rsvr79
Hopefully a few hundred thousand dollars, because the organs aren't theirs until money changes hands. Someone will be waiting to buy them.
kpmatias
Its only worth that to people who have disposable income.Tthe poor might want to pay that price but have no means. Way more poor then rich
kpmatias
and it's a bad investment, most organs only last 5-10 years after transplant. So loans wouldn't happen
kpmatias
and not to mention lots of diseases and viruses are missed in initial screening. congratulations you got a new heart and hep C
ResetButton
2/2 apply the logic in that statement to your financial property, another personal power. I don't see why I can't apply this counterexample.
Beverlyhillscopisonrightnow
Hey you, piece of shit, get your head out your ass and think about your husband, wife, family, .. who could maybe use the money. Asshole.
cynicalbile
I'm the asshole? You're the on suggesting my family should hawk bits of my dead body to the highest bidder. Classy.
JohnnieIII
I don't get why people aren't Organ donors... like what do you need them for if you're dead, irritating
Drabulous
I just cant be fucked to fill out all the paperwork associated with it. Streamline the process and im in
jimjackboredom
Bang me, eat me, grind me up into little pieces, throw me in the river. Who gives a shit? You're dead, you're dead!
TheBostonBruins
I think most people don't like knowing their loved ones were cut open like a frog in science class, despite the benefits
smaug777000
it's an extra checkmark on a form that most people are filling out quickly. It should be an opt out not an opt in system.
DrSchmolls
I feel like most people lab more things unchecked rather than checked on such forms
CityYeti
I knew a guy that was an edge lord that just didn't like helping people in general
errobbie
It's sort of like fucking with a corpse in a way. I think of it like that but I'll still donate my organs when I'm dead, well I want them 2b
pintDMG
For me, it's the moral and ethical question of the human body as a bag of spare parts. Even in death, that's a line not to cross.
hockeydoctoralmost
I don't get it. You're dead and you could save someone else's life. They are no use to you anymore
BunBunIsMySpiritAnimal
Right. Also, would be kinda cool to live on in someone else.
mcjunker
Some people suspect that doctors won't commit as much to saving them in the event of an accident.
ihateeggs
Completely untrue. They don't even know one way or the other until you can't have meaningful recovery and then they ask your family. Rn
JohnnieIII
Well its on your License here if you are
mcjunker
Hey, I am an organ donor. I'm explaining why some others aren't. Conspiracy theorists are immune to facts.
peopleperson
It's not like you're being wheeled into the ER, they look at your donor card and... wheel you into the "other ER"
Ssssssssssss
There are some religious beliefs about wholeness of the body after death, you know. Though I believe I will be unwhole in the beyond, I am-
Ssssssssssss
still an organ donor. I could always die young and relatively healthy, with some organs intact.
Mayokopp
Yup, also don't get people who do that for religious reasons. I mean your beliefs die with you, and saving someone else should be worth more
RhetoricalRobot
Because magic.
defektiv
One rational reason I've heard is from people saying they don't want a regular trading market for human organs making shady things happen.
jwardnw
My baby girl would have spent 30 days in the NICU hooked up to machines dying instead of in our arms at home. There are very valid 1)
jwardnw
Reasons to choose not to donate. The process is hardly talked about for people who die a slow death and it changed my opinion on donation.
smeefy
people are scared that if they are donors and in a life/death situation that they will let them die for healthy body parts
JohnnieIII
I'm sure that's a really small possibility but even so at the point a doctor would make that decision you must be leaning towards death
mechanimated
That rumor is so fucking stupid. Maybe in the jungles of Fuckistan where the mad king rules, but not in a civilized fucking country.
RoyFuckingMustang
Just another case of someone hearing some stupid rumor and making life or death decisions.
WarmGlowingWarmingGlow
Exactly! Hippocratic oath, anyone?
HolyCringeLordBatman
That shits optimal yo.
WarmGlowingWarmingGlow
Emergency workers have absolutely nothing to do with organ harvesting. HIGHLY flawed logic.
hejinnnnny
This is why I'm not a donor, parents told me this when I first got my licenses and it has stuck w/ me since.
dancealittlestranger
That's actually why I'm not a donor. Iowa can't get over that fear.
Aaron42J
Well, if it helps, EMT's will actually try to keep a donor's heart beating longer, to keep their organs viable, increasing recovery chances.
notavirgin912
emts dont check if youre an organ donor, all organ donors come from death at the hospital.
dancealittlestranger
*I (not Iowa)
hockeydoctoralmost
Seriously?! That's not how those decisions are made
dancealittlestranger
I know, but I can't get over that fear. Believe me, I'm trying.
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IMGURN3WB
Not quite so simply, but in essence. Body parts are only good for so long, so people have to make resuscitate vs organ harvesting.
legalbeagleOSU
The trauma doctors aren't even on the organ transplant committees. They deliberately separate them to avoid a conflict of interest.
FlyingSquirrelMan
So how are people dying waiting for hearts and a guy named Rockefeller is on his sixth at age 99? Money makes no difference until it does
PolarHailStorm
Well, no one knows if you need them after death in any sort of spiritual capacity. The unknown unsettles people greatly.
PolarHailStorm
I feel I need to put a disclaimer on that statement: I'm not saying there is or will be, just that it cannot be proven either way 1/2
PolarHailStorm
and, should a time come when it can be proven/disproven on grounds of discovery (science is great) people would be more at ease.
kpmatias
lol, that's the problem with belief. It ignores evidence to the contrary cause it's faith without evidence
PolarHailStorm
Just because science hasn't proven something yet doesn't mean it won't. Plenty of things were discovered that were thought mystical prior.
BoozeHound001
I've told my friends I should be gutted like a fish, organs, veins, eyes, hell even the fat if someone wants a badonkadonk implant.
feeltheice
I don't like people that much
Demenster
Ikr. Steal my face when I'm dead too. I don't care. I'm gunna be cremated because coffins are a waste of money.
JCLII
Because they're mine.
muttonchoppa
its cool if you dont want to but i think of them as old toys/clothes, better they get a 2nd life than buried.
applebeesburgerbizarre2
Owning people and stuff, if she could sell your organs she might have an incentive to kill you
kpmatias
Pride... most people don't want to know that there organs are crap from a lifetime of bad choices & and would likely be binned.
MrWolfwood
You do know to be an organ donor you say "Yes I want to be an organ donor" and that's literally it.......
kpmatias
drivers licence was just that. health card/insurance asked 4 questions that had me wondering. live donation or blood really lays it out
MrWolfwood
Yeah when you're splattered they don't care as long as it has a little <3 on it. They check your records and organs pretty thoroughly
forbiddenmonk
my primary reason is all my health issues. also there are people with religious and respect reasons
overboardAnt
In other words for healthy people; no reason.
alexapocalypse
Respect?
forbiddenmonk
yes, a lot of cultures find taking organs without permission to be disrespectful
wartoaster
Respect for the dead, it's apparently rude to some that you're removing their loved ones' organs
MrWolfwood
I'm an organ donor! I've donated 7 hearts, 4 lungs, 10 kidneys, and 13 spines. No one ever wants the spines :(
KawaiixNative
Lol +1
highstream
I lived in England for a while, so they're afraid my organs have mad cow hiding in them
Gaidenninjacat
They can test shit like this
NoobOfEngland
At least you're not welsh, their sheep have other things hiding in them
BartholomewCubbins
Actually this is a common misconception. You may still be able to donate your organs but not your tissues. You can not give blood though.
SuckAnElf
Same. Makes me mad I can't even donate blood. I haven't lived there in 25 years, pretty sure I would know by now if I had mad cow disease
Gaidenninjacat
They can test shit like this
BartholomewCubbins
Actually this is a common misconception. You may still be able to donate your organs but not your tissues or blood.
DrSchmolls
But organs are tissues
BartholomewCubbins
I had lived in Germany in the 80s and have been told by workers at LifeSource (the organ transplant center in MN) it's ok to be a donor
SuckAnElf
I am a registered organ donor, filled it out when I got my dl. But just assumed that when the time came if the restriction was in place 1/2
SuckAnElf
still that they just wouldn't take them. Glad to know it doesn't affect organ donation. Still pretty dumb about blood donation though 1/2