Jun 29, 2022 6:38 PM
chiechien
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Qrader
All for overthrowing the fascist oligarchy in US, but isn't it obvious that he couldn't answer because either voters or law would get him?
archon325
He was a General, FML
J3lek
mymidlifecrisiswasat23
Say the line MAGA
flynnman504
Not this ass clown again. sigh.
ButtersTheCat
Anybody else that watched this read the '1 minute 36 seconds later" like it was the SpongeBob meme, or just me?
MadCatIV
A Few Minutess Later
Merky600
Obviously he didn’t join the service to protect Americans. He likes hard control & dictatorship thinking. Junta shit.
majortool
nukesontheway
My thoughts exactly
georgedragonslayer
For those that don't know, Flynn is a retired Lieutenant General of the US army and 24th US National Security Advisor. That is scary shit.
giganticroboticpenguin
Him, his brother, & everybody they had close contact with at the Pentagon before 1/6 need to be in jail.
lovehandlesmessiah
UNDER the jail. This isn’t larceny or assault, this was fucking treason.
CityYeti
bluerazzgummy
Did this for real happen. WTF
PetricusGaming
Can we still court martial this asshole?
The short answer is "no". The UCMJ does not "generally" apply to retired military. *exceptions do apply, but not in this case.
IAmLookingForSomeoneToShareInAnAdventure
I can only speak for the British military, but you can be court martialed after retirement, but only for things done before retirement.
weidermeijer
Treason?
Treason, Sedition, and all other laws apply (or should) to him. Just like you and me.
RobotEmu
Could someone explain for non-americans, what fifth means in that context?
More directly to your question it refers to the 5th amendment to our constitution
In this case, it means he can't be compelled to give testimony against himself. It's the "right to remain silent".
The implication is that he felt he would potentially implicate himself if he answered the question.
I see. Thanks for the explanation.
gsynth
He could lie and say no but if they have evidence against him (i.e a recording) he can be sued for perjury (lying in court).
Solkanarmy
I still don't know what he meant by saying 'fifth', does he mean this is the 5th time he wanted to overturn an election?
MrSqaureCan
Retired officers are still held to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Fucking traitor.
metalrulercid
He should lose rank and privilege
Tyanet
He should be a rankless inmate at Leavenworth.
76000BatteryLlamas
And pension
Give the pension to the guy Trump fired the day before he was to retire, because petty orange asshole.
We did. A Democratic Congressperson hired him on for a few days, till his retirement, if I remember correctly.
I am happy to hear that. What trump did, like most of what he did, was a complete disgrace.
Higure
Obligatory reminder that in US criminal court taking the fifth should never be seen as admission of guilt, and innocent people should do it.
Guilty people should do it to. There is a reason for "without due process, jury of peers, double jeopardy and innocent until proven guilty".
Xendrash
If i ask something like are you pro or anti slavery and you answer, 5th. You are clearly guilty.
Oh, it is suspicious as heck. But LEGALLY speaking, it is not in any way, shape or form anywhere close to an admission of guilt.
But what if you take it 50 times in one hearing? Asking for a traitor.
Still no. If the fifth amendment said you had the right not to incriminate yourself, but only at most 49 times, that's a different story.
mesogiria
It's an all-or-nothing deal when you go 5th. You can't answer some questions and not others, or you could use it to manipulate testimony.
My understanding as a non-law-talker is that this is only true if you are a defendant, not a witness. Flynn here is presumably a witness.
acetothermus
Jesus that was terrifying. I just... I'm still stunned by it.
ComradeZoidberg
I hadn’t seen that. Fucking hell.
HandoB4Javert
[no comment]
wow.
snixsys
Democrats testify under oath. Republicans take the Fifth and ask for pardons.
Pphunk77
Only Republicans have testified under oath for the 1/6 committee so far, if I'm not mistaken.
kaldaze
Dont miss all the, i don't recall, i don't remember. Here's video of you doing x, did you do x? I dont recall.
Hutchinson wasn't a Dem and she testified and blew the whole thing the fuck up!
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Not high enough on the food chain.
llcoolj
Send a brotha a link. I’m out of the loop on news right now.
michaeloberg
https://youtu.be/Js47bxRvX4s
cornjac
https://january6th.house.gov/ Specifically, 28 Jun 22 Hearing. Probably the last 15 mins or so.
Also, https://youtube.com/c/January6thCmte
stickmanprime
I was right now years old when I learned about this link.
Same. I couldn't believe he wouldn't at least answer THAT question.
Like that's one of the cornerstones that make this democracy work, and to not IMMEDIATELY say yes is just mind blowing.
CaveHunter3000
He’s a treasonous PoS that actively tried to undermine the US government in favor of a foreign power.
When you invoke your 5th Amendment right, it's all-or-nothing. You can't pick and choose what questions to answer, you have to refuse all or
you're considered to have given up your right not to answer. See the link below.
https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-rights/fifth-amendment-right-against-self-incrimination.html
LordOfTheFleas
The article disagrees. "unlike defendants, witnesses who assert this right may do so selectively"
Qrader
All for overthrowing the fascist oligarchy in US, but isn't it obvious that he couldn't answer because either voters or law would get him?
archon325
He was a General, FML
J3lek
mymidlifecrisiswasat23
Say the line MAGA
flynnman504
Not this ass clown again. sigh.
ButtersTheCat
Anybody else that watched this read the '1 minute 36 seconds later" like it was the SpongeBob meme, or just me?
MadCatIV
A Few Minutess Later
Merky600
Obviously he didn’t join the service to protect Americans. He likes hard control & dictatorship thinking. Junta shit.
majortool
nukesontheway
My thoughts exactly
georgedragonslayer
For those that don't know, Flynn is a retired Lieutenant General of the US army and 24th US National Security Advisor. That is scary shit.
giganticroboticpenguin
Him, his brother, & everybody they had close contact with at the Pentagon before 1/6 need to be in jail.
lovehandlesmessiah
UNDER the jail. This isn’t larceny or assault, this was fucking treason.
CityYeti
bluerazzgummy
Did this for real happen. WTF
PetricusGaming
Can we still court martial this asshole?
georgedragonslayer
The short answer is "no". The UCMJ does not "generally" apply to retired military. *exceptions do apply, but not in this case.
IAmLookingForSomeoneToShareInAnAdventure
I can only speak for the British military, but you can be court martialed after retirement, but only for things done before retirement.
weidermeijer
Treason?
georgedragonslayer
Treason, Sedition, and all other laws apply (or should) to him. Just like you and me.
RobotEmu
Could someone explain for non-americans, what fifth means in that context?
chiechien
More directly to your question it refers to the 5th amendment to our constitution
chiechien
In this case, it means he can't be compelled to give testimony against himself. It's the "right to remain silent".
chiechien
The implication is that he felt he would potentially implicate himself if he answered the question.
RobotEmu
I see. Thanks for the explanation.
gsynth
He could lie and say no but if they have evidence against him (i.e a recording) he can be sued for perjury (lying in court).
Solkanarmy
I still don't know what he meant by saying 'fifth', does he mean this is the 5th time he wanted to overturn an election?
MrSqaureCan
Retired officers are still held to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Fucking traitor.
metalrulercid
He should lose rank and privilege
Tyanet
He should be a rankless inmate at Leavenworth.
76000BatteryLlamas
And pension
lovehandlesmessiah
Give the pension to the guy Trump fired the day before he was to retire, because petty orange asshole.
weidermeijer
We did. A Democratic Congressperson hired him on for a few days, till his retirement, if I remember correctly.
metalrulercid
I am happy to hear that. What trump did, like most of what he did, was a complete disgrace.
Higure
Obligatory reminder that in US criminal court taking the fifth should never be seen as admission of guilt, and innocent people should do it.
georgedragonslayer
Guilty people should do it to. There is a reason for "without due process, jury of peers, double jeopardy and innocent until proven guilty".
Xendrash
If i ask something like are you pro or anti slavery and you answer, 5th. You are clearly guilty.
Higure
Oh, it is suspicious as heck. But LEGALLY speaking, it is not in any way, shape or form anywhere close to an admission of guilt.
lovehandlesmessiah
But what if you take it 50 times in one hearing? Asking for a traitor.
Higure
Still no. If the fifth amendment said you had the right not to incriminate yourself, but only at most 49 times, that's a different story.
mesogiria
It's an all-or-nothing deal when you go 5th. You can't answer some questions and not others, or you could use it to manipulate testimony.
chiechien
My understanding as a non-law-talker is that this is only true if you are a defendant, not a witness. Flynn here is presumably a witness.
acetothermus
Jesus that was terrifying. I just... I'm still stunned by it.
ComradeZoidberg
I hadn’t seen that. Fucking hell.
HandoB4Javert
[no comment]
Xendrash
wow.
snixsys
Democrats testify under oath. Republicans take the Fifth and ask for pardons.
Pphunk77
Only Republicans have testified under oath for the 1/6 committee so far, if I'm not mistaken.
kaldaze
Dont miss all the, i don't recall, i don't remember. Here's video of you doing x, did you do x? I dont recall.
acetothermus
Hutchinson wasn't a Dem and she testified and blew the whole thing the fuck up!
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Not high enough on the food chain.
llcoolj
Send a brotha a link. I’m out of the loop on news right now.
michaeloberg
https://youtu.be/Js47bxRvX4s
cornjac
https://january6th.house.gov/ Specifically, 28 Jun 22 Hearing. Probably the last 15 mins or so.
cornjac
Also, https://youtube.com/c/January6thCmte
stickmanprime
I was right now years old when I learned about this link.
ButtersTheCat
Same. I couldn't believe he wouldn't at least answer THAT question.
acetothermus
Like that's one of the cornerstones that make this democracy work, and to not IMMEDIATELY say yes is just mind blowing.
CaveHunter3000
He’s a treasonous PoS that actively tried to undermine the US government in favor of a foreign power.
mesogiria
When you invoke your 5th Amendment right, it's all-or-nothing. You can't pick and choose what questions to answer, you have to refuse all or
mesogiria
you're considered to have given up your right not to answer. See the link below.
mesogiria
https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-rights/fifth-amendment-right-against-self-incrimination.html
LordOfTheFleas
The article disagrees. "unlike defendants, witnesses who assert this right may do so selectively"