Jul 12, 2017 9:27 AM
CrouchingNarwal
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wurdtoyer
My other concern is that big companies can and will throw money for literally decades ("lobbying") until they get their result.
KrazieMenace
How about angry fucking fed up americans VS Corrupt Government?
Pickleson
Just imagine if americans united as quickly like this for other big problems happening in US right now
OriginaIPoster
The other problem we have is disunity so...
ITellPeopleWhatToPaint
We just need to pull together and solve this disunity thing.
Laynco
The side who pays the most money
Leegionnaire
Amazon + Google >>>>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS
And Pornhub. Don't forget Pornhub
92xander
How can you forget something you use every day?
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Zing!
furriephillips
The websites should blacklist their opponents & give them a taste of their own medicine; tar-pitting their connections. The content is king.
TechKiddz
Are politicians TRYING to make Americans leave???
DoubleSecretAgent
A trillion lions
HaniiPuppy
Remember when the FCC was protecting our rights and we all liked it but were mildly confused about it?
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
The FCC obviously. They can do whatever they want.
exunodisceomnes
The internet was never 'ours' to begin with. Nothing really is ^^
blazebot4200
The FCC won't let me be or let me be me
SentimentalAmulet
Wait. I don't get it. Isn't the internet already like cabe? You get it through a cable company and choose which package to buy! Pls explain.
*cable
pita26
With cable you pay extra for premium channels like HBO or starz. If this goes through then ISPs could also charge extra for premium 1/2
websites like netflix or hulu and restrict or greatly slow down access if you don't pay. 2/2
It's not about where you get your access from, it's how you get it that's on the line. ISPs can't charge more to access certain sites. 1/2
In other words, cable tv has packages that offer access to different channels. All websites are accessible no matter what you pay. 2/2
zzzbatmand
This reminds me of brexit where the people who uses it and depends on it, loses to the ones who only see the money in it.. Or just don't GAF
EMallorn
In case you didn't guess, the FCC is winning so far.
AZRAELSBLADE
????
thekade
It's not that hard when all you care about is money
BXHOVAYPCK
Wheres MSPA?
Maximumerhamster
How is this indicated?
kmikl
This is why you don't elect stupid.
maniacalmacaroni
The ISPs are winning because they snuck a Verizon double-agent into the FCC commissioner seat and are controlling it from within with $$$.
ninmonkey
But he made a jpeg. That didn't work?!
Boombox100
FCC always wins ... its futile
PirateDickCheney
I'm gonna get down voted but... is that a good thing or a bad thing?
BatmansUnderPantsAreSoSoft
Bad thing, FCC is the enemy in this
CmRock136
Just curious if anyone knows (I haven't heard), where does Google stand on this?
Steelflameblade
They stand to profit either way. NN is good for standard use, NN going away is great for their fiber optics side though.
ApotheosisCM
No internet service wants this. If the ISPs get their way, every website either pays extra money of gets their shit throttled. Lose-lose.
ihavethelowground
Just a question? What would these companies do if net neutrality is lost?
Dracongield
go out of bussiness probably
Combatmatt
essentially the websites would have to pay ISPs for their site to load. If not connection would be throttled
IThinkYouGotAFineBrainJack
Google went about installing Fibre cables once. I don't see why these companies cannot come together and make internet free.
Camelspotting
Invest in Comcast.
Tunisia
"Why should I care about freedom?"
Vonya
Move their servers and services, along with their ecomonues, to net neutral countries.
NiskanensBureaucrats
We can hope.
wreckingangel
The problem is the location of the customers not the servers.
If the location has little effect on choked speed and/or allows better access to those outside the US then it'd make financial sense to move
obamalamadingdongditch
On the FCC side, you forgot ATT, Verizon, Charter, Comcast, et al.
thatGuyChris
Charter actually isn't. They're pretty openly in favor of net neutrality. TWC that they bought wasn't though.
moepwizzy
Yeah, it's basically those who provide the internet vs those who use it (a gross oversimplification, of course)
nanyatenyaa
The amusing thing is none of those are higher tier providers. All of them pay other providers for their connection.
Sorry man
ThePragmaticGing
Am i the only one that's bothered that Google isn't on these lists
Or any major search engines for that matter
BillHaleyandHisBANNEDComments2
http://imgur.com/E3b4s8g
Steasse
Visit www.gofccyourself.com
KingoPeculiar
Oops- it looks like you forgot to include all of the mega corporations on the side with the FCC
WantDownvotes
Anyone elses eyes snap straight to porn hub?
UserSubmitter
Okay so it wasn't just me hahaha
gerdygerdygerdy
Considering how pointless so many petitions have proved to be against the lesser amount of people in congress, I think if they really wanted
To make that change, they would regardless of the rest of america. Like Kim Jong IL and the rest of his country.
GooberSnotpants
http://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf
DukePhelan
Like the FCC or the ISPs give a fuck what people want. If it fails they will try again and again and again until it passes. So dies the net.
Gmayor61
Can't the websites sue this shit? They're trying to make bank over their content
georgedragonslayer
Now = yes. Remove net neutrality = no
namiasdf
The rest of the world which understands capitalism, understands this is a monopolization of infrastructure...
Free market has failed in the United States... At least I can redeem my Polish Citizenship and possibly live in the EU if I ever had to.
Which is illegal.
MurphysParadox
Monopolies are only illegal when the Government doesn't sanction them. We have plenty of legal monopolies.
Thank-god I'm not American.
Another case of a good idea going too far. Utilities as a monopoly makes some sense; no need to build three sets of gas lines everywhere.
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unelunebleu
That's what the current guy said. "Draining the swamp" I recall.
I'd consider that one of his biggest lies. He put out of touch billionaires into power.
What I meen is putting people in power who understand what "We the people" means, and not some rich ass billionaires who lobby congress.
Alphaturdhat2412
Not many choices in a 2 party system. Ya dig?
And I'm ashamed to be stuck with it
You.. actually believed a 70 year old billionaire who said that? Who is known to deal in shady business practices? Lol...
Oh god no. Just saying it's all talk
I never trusted him Elon Musk is WAAAAY more successful than our current president.
At least he has been living up to some of his promises.
Which one? Everything he promised has played out differently, more slowly, and more poorly.
I'll give him credit for the VA accountability bill and the executive space act.
L0c0Smasher
Pornhub wins
TotallyNotJaimeLannister
Honest question: outside of Amazon and maybe Netflix/twitter which of the companies on the right is supposed to have any actual influence?
senioroso
Pornhub
It's a big company it's important to a lot of people but no decision maker is really going to let a pornsite influence them
Capnrory
Depends how big the bribes are
I don't know, they're pretty good at influencing the my decision of what to do with my free time.
PuffTheMagikDragon
As soon as people see that PornHub os on the list riots will ensue
johnnyratbastard
Hey, Americans. DON'T FUCK THIS UP.
Steelhart
Too late
ICallOPFaggotOutaRespect
Hey, rest of the world. Just declare war on us already.
There's an absolutely unstable moron with nuclear launch codes and your plan is to attack him? WCPGW?
Do you have oil?
AymericWilmotte
+1 from belgium , Try to not fuck this up
PoorlyPlannedLifeChoices
How can this possibly affect others than themselves? EU law is the exact opposite of what's happening in America.
Peanutchews
Trump is in office and you expect america NOT to fuck this up???
ltsDizzyD
It's out of our hands. Congress and the seat of the president can veto or pass any bill it wants regardless of public opinion.
SaltismySugar
Well we're fucked then.
GoldenSour2
I read 60% of Americans support universal healthcare and only 17% support Republicare but they keep tryna pass it anyway. It's crazy.
So why don't Americans not like good health care? Speaking generally of course. Is it just because of the stigma that Obama did it?
But I bet more than 60% of campaign contributors are against universal healthcare
LucianKane
Oh we will. We will. If there is one thing in this country we love, it's pay walls. We even have a president who uses those words closely
shutsman
Given their track record, we're all fucked
BurgundyBurrito
You forget 4chans track record. That's some impressive shit right there
'Never underestimate the power of weaponized autism'. My favorite quote about 4chan.
With the apathetic masses and greedy despots that call our country home, we most certainly will
Cisforstupidthatsgoodenoughforme
We already did. In November 2016.
SkyeMia
Does this apply to everyone on Earth or just Americans?
Although the FCC only has control over the internet in the US it affects us all because HUGE amounts of YOUR data flow through the US.
kookyabird
Actually they could charge content providers more to send the data across the backbone tubes to get it out of the country.
MaSu10
Just Americans, but you use there Servers everyday, it affects us all, or will in the future if this passes. We're fucked if it passes
Well, please do whatever you can to stop this from happening Americans!
Unfortunately there isn't too much else we can do. All we can do is throw a fit when this inevitably happens and hope they reverse it.
Sacurason
Fixed the image for you -
Thanks m8
I aim to please.
Fuck broadband capitalism
cleverunityrunner
On behalf of all sane fucking Americans, we apologize if we fuck this up.
calimani77
if?
Emails and Protest don't line wallets so we may have a bad situation on out hands.
That's what the right side of the picture is for.
I sent you all our hopes from belgium, America is getting f*cked up now
FlxHgl
The both of you are pretty much fucked.
DangerouslyMoist
Move to Canada, well help run some free internet cables down to the states for you
SonicEuthanasia
I just spent a few days in Ontario and the wife and are I considering it.
EGOT
It's not really up to the citizens, unfortunately. We already fucked it up by voting for the politicians enabling this.
Sassmachine
Is it. . . is it up to us or not? I'm confused.
Not really. Still worth calling or emailing, but the guy who decides doesn't have an election coming up that he'll be worried about.
TechnicalDrift
"Voting". Even then, I doubt it would've mattered who was in charge.
Metatality
Well, most democrats seem to be opposing this so maybe. Then again it might just be to spite the republicans at this point, not morality.
It's not about party. It's about the people in power. My point is no matter who gets elected, they'll be corrupt and pull the same shit.
Well, we always hear about the assholes cause they make the most noise, never see the people trying to work on small, relatively good stuff.
except when the other guys were in charge this issue was put to bed, so...
GiantRobotsRule
Obama's FCC Chairman voted to protect Net Neutrality. Trumps wants to get rid of it. Yes, there is a difference between sides. Always vote.
CPUCNepgear
Trump just put the current chairman, I doubt Trump even knows who he put in or what a conflict of interest even is.
Trump, a corporate orange monkey, putting a corporate lackey in the seat surprises you? He's literally using the office to make more money.
wurdtoyer
My other concern is that big companies can and will throw money for literally decades ("lobbying") until they get their result.
KrazieMenace
How about angry fucking fed up americans VS Corrupt Government?
Pickleson
Just imagine if americans united as quickly like this for other big problems happening in US right now
OriginaIPoster
The other problem we have is disunity so...
ITellPeopleWhatToPaint
We just need to pull together and solve this disunity thing.
Laynco
The side who pays the most money
Leegionnaire
Amazon + Google >>>>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS
And Pornhub. Don't forget Pornhub
92xander
How can you forget something you use every day?
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Zing!
furriephillips
The websites should blacklist their opponents & give them a taste of their own medicine; tar-pitting their connections. The content is king.
TechKiddz
Are politicians TRYING to make Americans leave???
DoubleSecretAgent
A trillion lions
HaniiPuppy
Remember when the FCC was protecting our rights and we all liked it but were mildly confused about it?
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
The FCC obviously. They can do whatever they want.
exunodisceomnes
The internet was never 'ours' to begin with. Nothing really is ^^
blazebot4200
The FCC won't let me be or let me be me
SentimentalAmulet
Wait. I don't get it. Isn't the internet already like cabe? You get it through a cable company and choose which package to buy! Pls explain.
SentimentalAmulet
*cable
pita26
With cable you pay extra for premium channels like HBO or starz. If this goes through then ISPs could also charge extra for premium 1/2
pita26
websites like netflix or hulu and restrict or greatly slow down access if you don't pay. 2/2
ITellPeopleWhatToPaint
It's not about where you get your access from, it's how you get it that's on the line. ISPs can't charge more to access certain sites. 1/2
ITellPeopleWhatToPaint
In other words, cable tv has packages that offer access to different channels. All websites are accessible no matter what you pay. 2/2
zzzbatmand
This reminds me of brexit where the people who uses it and depends on it, loses to the ones who only see the money in it.. Or just don't GAF
EMallorn
In case you didn't guess, the FCC is winning so far.
AZRAELSBLADE
????
thekade
It's not that hard when all you care about is money
BXHOVAYPCK
Wheres MSPA?
Maximumerhamster
How is this indicated?
kmikl
This is why you don't elect stupid.
maniacalmacaroni
The ISPs are winning because they snuck a Verizon double-agent into the FCC commissioner seat and are controlling it from within with $$$.
ninmonkey
But he made a jpeg. That didn't work?!
Boombox100
FCC always wins ... its futile
PirateDickCheney
I'm gonna get down voted but... is that a good thing or a bad thing?
BatmansUnderPantsAreSoSoft
Bad thing, FCC is the enemy in this
CmRock136
Just curious if anyone knows (I haven't heard), where does Google stand on this?
Steelflameblade
They stand to profit either way. NN is good for standard use, NN going away is great for their fiber optics side though.
ApotheosisCM
No internet service wants this. If the ISPs get their way, every website either pays extra money of gets their shit throttled. Lose-lose.
ihavethelowground
Just a question? What would these companies do if net neutrality is lost?
Dracongield
go out of bussiness probably
Combatmatt
essentially the websites would have to pay ISPs for their site to load. If not connection would be throttled
IThinkYouGotAFineBrainJack
Google went about installing Fibre cables once. I don't see why these companies cannot come together and make internet free.
Camelspotting
Invest in Comcast.
Tunisia
"Why should I care about freedom?"
Vonya
Move their servers and services, along with their ecomonues, to net neutral countries.
NiskanensBureaucrats
We can hope.
wreckingangel
The problem is the location of the customers not the servers.
Vonya
If the location has little effect on choked speed and/or allows better access to those outside the US then it'd make financial sense to move
obamalamadingdongditch
On the FCC side, you forgot ATT, Verizon, Charter, Comcast, et al.
thatGuyChris
Charter actually isn't. They're pretty openly in favor of net neutrality. TWC that they bought wasn't though.
moepwizzy
Yeah, it's basically those who provide the internet vs those who use it (a gross oversimplification, of course)
nanyatenyaa
The amusing thing is none of those are higher tier providers. All of them pay other providers for their connection.
CrouchingNarwal
Sorry man
ThePragmaticGing
Am i the only one that's bothered that Google isn't on these lists
ThePragmaticGing
Or any major search engines for that matter
BillHaleyandHisBANNEDComments2
http://imgur.com/E3b4s8g
Steasse
Visit www.gofccyourself.com
KingoPeculiar
Oops- it looks like you forgot to include all of the mega corporations on the side with the FCC
WantDownvotes
Anyone elses eyes snap straight to porn hub?
UserSubmitter
Okay so it wasn't just me hahaha
gerdygerdygerdy
Considering how pointless so many petitions have proved to be against the lesser amount of people in congress, I think if they really wanted
gerdygerdygerdy
To make that change, they would regardless of the rest of america. Like Kim Jong IL and the rest of his country.
GooberSnotpants
http://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf
DukePhelan
Like the FCC or the ISPs give a fuck what people want. If it fails they will try again and again and again until it passes. So dies the net.
Gmayor61
Can't the websites sue this shit? They're trying to make bank over their content
georgedragonslayer
Now = yes. Remove net neutrality = no
namiasdf
The rest of the world which understands capitalism, understands this is a monopolization of infrastructure...
CrouchingNarwal
Free market has failed in the United States... At least I can redeem my Polish Citizenship and possibly live in the EU if I ever had to.
namiasdf
Which is illegal.
MurphysParadox
Monopolies are only illegal when the Government doesn't sanction them. We have plenty of legal monopolies.
namiasdf
Thank-god I'm not American.
MurphysParadox
Another case of a good idea going too far. Utilities as a monopoly makes some sense; no need to build three sets of gas lines everywhere.
[deleted]
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unelunebleu
That's what the current guy said. "Draining the swamp" I recall.
CrouchingNarwal
I'd consider that one of his biggest lies. He put out of touch billionaires into power.
CrouchingNarwal
What I meen is putting people in power who understand what "We the people" means, and not some rich ass billionaires who lobby congress.
Alphaturdhat2412
Not many choices in a 2 party system. Ya dig?
CrouchingNarwal
And I'm ashamed to be stuck with it
nanyatenyaa
You.. actually believed a 70 year old billionaire who said that? Who is known to deal in shady business practices? Lol...
unelunebleu
Oh god no. Just saying it's all talk
CrouchingNarwal
I never trusted him Elon Musk is WAAAAY more successful than our current president.
Alphaturdhat2412
At least he has been living up to some of his promises.
nanyatenyaa
Which one? Everything he promised has played out differently, more slowly, and more poorly.
CrouchingNarwal
I'll give him credit for the VA accountability bill and the executive space act.
L0c0Smasher
Pornhub wins
TotallyNotJaimeLannister
Honest question: outside of Amazon and maybe Netflix/twitter which of the companies on the right is supposed to have any actual influence?
senioroso
Pornhub
TotallyNotJaimeLannister
It's a big company it's important to a lot of people but no decision maker is really going to let a pornsite influence them
Capnrory
Depends how big the bribes are
ITellPeopleWhatToPaint
I don't know, they're pretty good at influencing the my decision of what to do with my free time.
PuffTheMagikDragon
As soon as people see that PornHub os on the list riots will ensue
johnnyratbastard
Hey, Americans. DON'T FUCK THIS UP.
Steelhart
Too late
ICallOPFaggotOutaRespect
Hey, rest of the world. Just declare war on us already.
TotallyNotJaimeLannister
There's an absolutely unstable moron with nuclear launch codes and your plan is to attack him? WCPGW?
johnnyratbastard
Do you have oil?
AymericWilmotte
+1 from belgium , Try to not fuck this up
PoorlyPlannedLifeChoices
How can this possibly affect others than themselves? EU law is the exact opposite of what's happening in America.
Peanutchews
Trump is in office and you expect america NOT to fuck this up???
ltsDizzyD
It's out of our hands. Congress and the seat of the president can veto or pass any bill it wants regardless of public opinion.
SaltismySugar
Well we're fucked then.
GoldenSour2
I read 60% of Americans support universal healthcare and only 17% support Republicare but they keep tryna pass it anyway. It's crazy.
johnnyratbastard
So why don't Americans not like good health care? Speaking generally of course. Is it just because of the stigma that Obama did it?
Capnrory
But I bet more than 60% of campaign contributors are against universal healthcare
LucianKane
Oh we will. We will. If there is one thing in this country we love, it's pay walls. We even have a president who uses those words closely
shutsman
Given their track record, we're all fucked
BurgundyBurrito
You forget 4chans track record. That's some impressive shit right there
johnnyratbastard
'Never underestimate the power of weaponized autism'. My favorite quote about 4chan.
obamalamadingdongditch
With the apathetic masses and greedy despots that call our country home, we most certainly will
Cisforstupidthatsgoodenoughforme
We already did. In November 2016.
SkyeMia
Does this apply to everyone on Earth or just Americans?
CrouchingNarwal
Although the FCC only has control over the internet in the US it affects us all because HUGE amounts of YOUR data flow through the US.
kookyabird
Actually they could charge content providers more to send the data across the backbone tubes to get it out of the country.
MaSu10
Just Americans, but you use there Servers everyday, it affects us all, or will in the future if this passes. We're fucked if it passes
SkyeMia
Well, please do whatever you can to stop this from happening Americans!
pita26
Unfortunately there isn't too much else we can do. All we can do is throw a fit when this inevitably happens and hope they reverse it.
Sacurason
Fixed the image for you -
CrouchingNarwal
Thanks m8
Sacurason
I aim to please.
CrouchingNarwal
Fuck broadband capitalism
cleverunityrunner
On behalf of all sane fucking Americans, we apologize if we fuck this up.
calimani77
if?
cleverunityrunner
Emails and Protest don't line wallets so we may have a bad situation on out hands.
Camelspotting
That's what the right side of the picture is for.
AymericWilmotte
I sent you all our hopes from belgium, America is getting f*cked up now
FlxHgl
The both of you are pretty much fucked.
DangerouslyMoist
Move to Canada, well help run some free internet cables down to the states for you
SonicEuthanasia
I just spent a few days in Ontario and the wife and are I considering it.
EGOT
It's not really up to the citizens, unfortunately. We already fucked it up by voting for the politicians enabling this.
Sassmachine
Is it. . . is it up to us or not? I'm confused.
EGOT
Not really. Still worth calling or emailing, but the guy who decides doesn't have an election coming up that he'll be worried about.
TechnicalDrift
"Voting". Even then, I doubt it would've mattered who was in charge.
Metatality
Well, most democrats seem to be opposing this so maybe. Then again it might just be to spite the republicans at this point, not morality.
TechnicalDrift
It's not about party. It's about the people in power. My point is no matter who gets elected, they'll be corrupt and pull the same shit.
Metatality
Well, we always hear about the assholes cause they make the most noise, never see the people trying to work on small, relatively good stuff.
GooberSnotpants
except when the other guys were in charge this issue was put to bed, so...
GiantRobotsRule
Obama's FCC Chairman voted to protect Net Neutrality. Trumps wants to get rid of it. Yes, there is a difference between sides. Always vote.
CPUCNepgear
Trump just put the current chairman, I doubt Trump even knows who he put in or what a conflict of interest even is.
Steelflameblade
Trump, a corporate orange monkey, putting a corporate lackey in the seat surprises you? He's literally using the office to make more money.