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When you're doing the right thing and it costs your job...
Dec 22, 2019 3:26 PM
IamSadAndTired
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QuiteADapperAsshole
Yeah cuz I’ll come to Verizon for judgement on moral issues /s
gotchasucka
Those around him, except the cat.
Saldus
Makes a good headline but to be fair anything involving line work is very dangerous and no company would ever take that liability for a cat.
sperk2Wrecker
Verizon's bucket trucks aren't insulated. If boomed past the primary zone he could've been a direct path to ground for primary voltages.
Munchman347
If their equipment can't be used around poles without 'Jeopardizing himself and those around him', OSHA needs to step in...
sperk2Wrecker
There are different zones on utility poles. Primary, secondary/neutral, and communications. Verizon cannot go above the communications zone.
Dalael
They could simply have given him a warning and explained why they dont want people to do this.
SlightlyDodgy
But sacking someone really teaches someone that they can't learn from mistakes.
BecauseImboredThatsWhy
Suspended isn't fired.
BecauseImboredThatsWhy
They probably would have in training. First responders are told to save yourself first. This could have been handled better.
Heatseeker49
Not if it was union, which he prob was. Have to follow the rules to the letter with no thought of the human side if things.
GWOW117
yep... plus he’s probably certified to use those lifts and to be certified you need to take a course on what u can’t and can do
PearjuiceATX
Can confirm
themosthellas
You’re given warnings like this upon hire in process and prior to beginning the work.
boopysnoot
He was either Union or a real dick that his supervisors hated.
Leevalleyoftheshadowofdeath
Or his supervisors are the dicks
BerwynBrewyn
It was either punish him or pay more for insurance.
ViolentlyOfferingBeerToSheep
verizon provides shitty ssrvice and helps the govt spy on people anyway, so fuck verizon
warthoghoist
Screw Verizon ?
aravena
K? It's a fucking cat. It got up there and not by teleportation. Fuck reddit/Imgur and their cat love
dakotaranch
No reason to grab a cat off a power pole. They can get down if they want.
ScottaHemi
he got himself up there, he can get himself down.
FelineGravy
The same Verizon who sold my 85 yr old FIL an unlimited talk, text, and data plan FOR A FLIP PHONE!
captainhappen
The Epoch Times is a weird organization linked to nefarious activity and thousands of fake accounts. Check your sources people.
Chadodius
I remember that.
Easykehl
According to the screenshot, it just happened 2 hours ago. /s
KrakenBear
They're not wrong.
57Chins
Well if he actually DID put his life and others in danger then, no, he should not have rescued the cat.
Munchman347
If their equipment can't be used around poles without 'Jeopardizing himself and those around him', OSHA needs to step in...
57Chins
Thats fair
polarbearrodeo
Fuck off
jmulderr
Sounds to me like all his bosses are dogs.
76000BatteryLlamas
He went out of his normal working area to do it, on a pole Verizon doesn't service, to do something non-work with company equipment / time
PeteTusk
Good for him. How about we let careful professionals do some good unusual things sometimes, without always being ruled by rules and money?
76000BatteryLlamas
And cats don't need rescued from poles / trees. They will come down. You don't see cat skeletons sitting up in the air.
thadken
You ever see a dead cat on the ground though? People don't think they starve up there, they worry for the eventual leap of faith.
incorrecthorsestapler
Actually, yeah, arborists find them all the time.
buttbuttpartywagon
Have you ever seen a dead cat up a tree/telephone pole?
xmaneds
ShereeAnderson
I would be ok with the suspension
DrunkPhysics
I support Verizon's jugdement
masterolizardry
DontKissAssButDamnSureKickIt
MikeMcAwesome91
JayEnfield
But the cat came back, the very next day.
Dragoro2022
GOD DAMMIT, I THOUGHT I WAS FREE OF THAT SHIT
Surisuule
Where do you know it from?
ILickAnimals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwQl2ccsc_s
Ashrieka
This year, to save me from hair I’ll give it to someone special
JBib
Ha!
DaisyfromDownunder
Feral cats are lethal.
t33kay
As a leader, our responsibility is first and foremost the safety of our crew. If this young man risked his life to save a pet, it is 1/2
t33kay
Reasonable to assume he weighed the consequences against his actions, and made the decision to move forward anyways. It was brave and
t33kay
Courageous, but laws are in place for protection. A short suspension, with pay, and no permanent mark on his record is a perfectly
t33kay
Appropriate response
Munchman347
'Laws'? There's no law against rescuing an animal in danger. Company rules do not have the force of 'Law'...
rocket86924
I'm no cat expert, but are cats so dumb that they can go up but can't come down ?
Grillparzer
Ever seen a cat skeleton in a tree?
flavivsaetivs
It's their claws. Since they angle backwards they have a hard time climbing down.
Sm9yCg
Just teach them to climb down backwards, sheesh. It's easy
GreatWhiteDope
Yeah, they climb down the same way we would. Facing up and slowly creeping down backwards
xmaneds
their claws only go one way. they can't figure out to walk backwards, and their claws won't hold on facing down forwards.
FreshPrinceOfPersia
Have you tried climbing up a rock face vs climbing down? Down is a lot harder.
PeteTusk
It's not as easy for them to go down a pole/tree as it is to go up. Some cats are afraid, haven't done it before, don't get how etc.
PeteTusk
Often cats will stay up and yowl for many hours or even more than a day, and eventually manage to come down.
heyrelaxfellayouneedarestguy
My fire chief once asked, have you ever seen a cat skeleton on a power pole? Yeah me either.
nonCanadianGoose
Wasn’t Verizon the same company that throttled the service for first responders during wildfires
VodkaReindeer
To be fair, those guys are also putting their lives and the lives of those near them in jeopardy.
nonCanadianGoose
So they don’t need good cell service?
gebraheel
They also failed spectacularly when Hurricane Michael hit my city.
FuryM0nk
Then a few weeks later put out ads saying how much they helped out during the wildfires and shit?
DustenSalinas
Yep, blitzed the networks with it and still do.
DaFuqisnull
I couldn't believe the ball's behind that. But we really do have short memorie spans
FuryM0nk
Well they conveniently followed those ads with more filled with people getting “free” stuff for subscribing to a really expensive plan.
OmegaJP7
Yes
good2go4ne1
throttled while leveraging more money.
mastikator
Isn't that legal because of a law that one of Trump's minions passed?
ChemicalG
I think you mean Obama's appointee
KillerTofu615
no its been legal since the net neutrality reversal
phacemelter
That had nothing to do with net neutrality, one way or another.
MikeMcAwesome91
Something about a comment thread with a variety of answers and upvotes and downvotes makes me laugh.
mastikator
Who pushed for net neutrality reversal? The Republican party? Did they know what Verizon was planning?
SirenBrick
Verizon paid a*hole aj to crush net neutrality, they absolutely knew
dwolvin
There was zero doubt that the entire purpose of net neutrality. Entirely to generate more profit for the same service.
KillerTofu615
massive telecom lobbies... and there were a shitload of dems involved too.
nzgeek
It came down to a FCC vote. The 3 repubs on the FCC voted to repeal net neutrality, the 2 dems voted to keep it.
TwoToneeRebel
Wrongo.
banz111
Please don't call them minions.
C141Clay
Verizon is asshoe!
poot85
Shareholders first
steve77777777
during traing at universal studios alongside usual things like "make it memorable" and "don't forget to smile" etc. /1
steve77777777
was something along the lines of "make the shareholders money" as one of the core guidelines. /2
banz111
Yes, that's how BUSINESS works. If you expect altruism, look to charities.
DamnBrainage
Yes.. But should it be to the benefit of the Shareholder no matter the cost?
banz111
Not "no matter the cost." Cost is always the matter. If there's enough good PR, then that's a healthy means to an end.
MyTrueIdiotSelf990
Yyuuup
Timmytwopups
Yes, but to be fair that was in the contract, Verizon advised them of it before they signed it, and the state cheaped out.
breestar
The contract didn't indicate the extent of the throttling, that it would basically amount to zero service.
TooFunkToDrunction
They stated it went from LTE to 3g
StormWingDelta
and if someone had died or became injured from that mess the company's PR team well be a tiny pile of ashes due to the fire on their head.
grumpy173
No - the contract specifically called for additional bandwidth when necessary. Verizon publicly apologized for it.
ireplysometimes
To be faaaiiirrr
TehSpirit
so there is throttling on unlimited plans?
JeezusJuice
Yes. You usually get X gb of LTE, and then unlimited 3G after that, or you’ll get capped at some transfer rate max below top speed.
JeezusJuice
People who pay more get better service.
Tanquerayalltheway
You get dropped to dial up speeds. Not 3g. 3g would be welcome.
valen00
This is all listed on the second line of the advertising materials. The speed reduction isn't set, you just get put into the low priority/
valen00
Pool so if there's no other users it'll still be quick, if it's busy it'll slow to nothing
valen00
They were running their mobile fire control headquarters on a small residential plan. They were offered government plans that came with/
valen00
All sorts of bells and whistles including having their data prioritised over all other users as well as support agreements etc but they/
valen00
Choose the $30 plan instead of the $90 one.
AnnieGitchYerGun
See, that bit of important info gets left out of the story. I didn't know that and it definitely gives perspective.
grumpy173
They were running a plan that afforded unlimited data with no throttling - Verizon admitted their "customer service" error.
valen00
no they weren't they were running one of the standard residential plans, verizon had an unofficial policy to remove limits when the fire /
grumpy173
So you admit that the problem was Verizon not following their agreement with the customer. Thank you for your honesty.
valen00
department rang and asked but the rep they were dealing with didn't know about that policy and followed their regular policy. The rep in /
TooFunkToDrunction
Right? I hate how people always bring this issue up. They did exactly what they said they would do in the contract.
grumpy173
Except that's a load of bull. The contract specifically called for no throttling for emergencies.
TooFunkToDrunction
Not that I heard but okay
grumpy173
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/08/verizon-throttled-fire-departments-unlimited-data-during-calif-wildfire/
grumpy173
Verizon specifically and publicly apologized
TooFunkToDrunction
Not that I’m a fan of Verizon but this particular incident wasn’t their fault at all.
grumpy173
Horsecrap. Their contract called for no throttling.
DisgruntledFerret
Yeah, they're a bag and a half of dicks. The more I learn the more I'm glad I dropped them when I learned they were against net neutrality.
KommissarLyus
They're 3 whole bag of dicks and a bottle of fossilized lube. Both the telecoms company and the wireless.
KommissarLyus
I used to work for Verizon Telecoms, I quit right before Verizon sued the FCC that caused the whole Net Neutrality shit.
NoWonderImStillAwake
Stop perpetuating half truths. Verizon recommended that they opt for the government plan that prioritized their traffic in emergencies and
TooFunkToDrunction
CA ended up upgrading their plan DURING the crisis
NoWonderImStillAwake
Yes, and next time my house is burning down, I'll upgrade my renter's insurance DURING the fire...oh wait, that's not how it works...
TooFunkToDrunction
Well, as same with CA, you should’ve bought the better plan to begin with. You can’t cheap out then expect them to cover you, not a charity
NoWonderImStillAwake
had no throttling, but the State of CA made a conscious decision to cheap out and went with a worse plan...
wherethehorriblethingsare
There's a revolution coming sooner or later and I hope their executives are on the list.
SaphirasSexDoll
That one "Can you hear me now?" guy was fired from Verizon for being gay.
ananfro
Can you queer me now?
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Dragonfury5
Yeah and went to Sprint!
WilliamWeird
Where did he sprint to, though?
rshini
boy did Verizon regret making those commercials so memorable as Sprint just took full advantage of it. Sadly for me, Verizon is the 1/2
rshini
only phone company that *gets* reception where I live. 2/2
Naurak
They also will do things like suspend contracts for military going overseas, but the month after that time is up, they charge the full 1/2
Naurak
Price for the two years over seas. 7 dollars a month for 24 months sudden becomes a 1900 dollar bill on month 25. Fuck Verizon.
chromaticlotus
I'm sorry, but they absolutely do not do that. The only time they charge large sums is cancellation buyouts.
TooFunkToDrunction
And switched to who haha? Find me an ISP that is pro net neutrality in my area and I’d switch in a minute
Cereaza
So you picked up that other service carrier who supports it?
inkadikt
No good deed goes unpunished.
IMayNotReplyToYou
Well here a few months back, trains where stopped for 6 hours because a cat was on the line! Then the owner just walked and picked it up!
IMayNotReplyToYou
Imagine stopping thousands of people and their jobs, for a damn cat, jesus
SEAW1NG
The old 285th rule of acquisition, a rule to live by for any non ferengi.
banz111
Life's number one rule: don't get involved.
nurshafira50580
Peraturan apa y xboleh trlibat hampa ni semua berkomplot..
Skunkpowers
All helpful urges should be circumvented
TouchMeInTheMoonlightAnus
Nip the tip off all helpful urges, got it.
MrBEC
Unfortunately, It is indeed; but therefore do as You must. If You are to suffer, suffer for Godly purposes
banz111
I prefer to suffer for no reason at all, I think.
Iatesomecoffeecups
I upvoted you what is my punishment
Kevmittens
And no bad deed goes punished.
banz111
Well, that depends on who's doing it
NinjablazerZero
No bad deed goes unrewarded*
TheunseenUniversitystudnet8
First the world was good,than some persons fucked it up for everyone. Now I know why the Bible makes sense to so many.
RiverRoyal
Holy shit. You could be right.
banz111
The world was never Good. It is Lawful Neutral
TheunseenUniversitystudnet8
Bullshit. The world was always chaotic neutral. Humans are just a bunch of oathbreakers to a diety of greed who think they own the world.
TheDustyOne
If I remember correctly, that pole had a secondary service on it 120/240 volts. He isn't suppose to go near or above those lines.
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SunBrolem
Well there it is guys, let the cat die because the truck might get shocked. Let me remind you everyone else in the truck agreed to this.
PulpyOJ
Some joint users are allowed in power space (above the neutral) in some instances. Secondary these days is typically insulated triplex 1/
PulpyOJ
so there is little danger of electrocution. It would be different if it were open wire secondary, where each secondary wire isn’t insulated.
wadatahmydamie
Yeah, Epoch Times is basically if Fox News were Chinese.
dereklarsen
TBF, they are against the PRC and primarily the voice of the Falun Gong, one of China's persecuted peoples.
backrideup9
Interesting statement, since I've never seen cable lines not run on a power utility pole. They're just a few feet lower than the power.
IAmJustHereForGoats
NEC states at least 40 inches from power to telecom at the pole.
nasoj007
There's SUPPOSED to be a 3m gap between the lowest power and the telecom,I've seen it so close your lid taps the bottom of the transformer
PulpyOJ
Electric utilities may run fiber lines in the power space, between 6-10” above the neutral. Other joint use is 40” under the neutral.
TheDustyOne
Normally about 40 inches separation between the the power company secondary. Then 12 inches between catv , telco or fiber
akducks2
It’s 10 feet for overhead, and I’m pretty confident that’s a national standard. I was talking with the local power company about this 1/?
akducks2
About a month ago, we wanted to raise some Comm lines over a proposed road and the power company told us no because of the 10 ft /?
akducks2
Separation rule. 3/3
nasoj007
Bet they'd have no problem with him bending that rule to get the job done, fucking corperations. Play safe... if convienent for us ?
LaoBeifong
? Alright Lenin.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
Nope. Any smart company with a will be super anal about safety because if they aren't they can be held responsible for dumbassery
hardytardigrade
Hi supervisor might not, but the corporation definitely would. Unsafe work is a liability.
acg129
You clearly don't understand civil liability if you think the company would be cool with that.
whoinvitedthem
I bet they would. Saving an hour or two or labour is never worth it for the liability and reputation damage.
RenegadeBlob
Can't speak for Verizon but my old job at a utility company would have a similar reaction. Safety first is very serious. Any bending of the>
RenegadeBlob
nasoj007
In my experience the big corps play safe but pass the job to their subs,who are told to just get it done.If it goes wrong they're blamed
CompletelyOrdinaryBystander
I worked for a comcast sub. They were VERY concerned with safety. Might just be because they were a big company themselves.
hyptosis
This. I've never had my company want me to do anything safe, ever, but the companies they work for preach it all day.
VictusVonGuyver
Sad thing is you and Renegade are both right. Depending on who you work for you can be fired for either following rules laws or fired >
RenegadeBlob
Dang that's scary. Now that I think. That's exactly how corps handle evironmental and safety liability suits. Just all contractors.
Lots43
I want to work for a company that actually cares about safety
BigBeeOhBee
Sounds like you need a job with OSHA.