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banana4skale
Literally just had to do this and had this same thought!
NeelboBaggins
This is designed to weed out the people who are too lazy to do it. Doing it twice shows dedication and desire to attain the position.
MrsZbornak
Then answer 200 question about nothing . Those are annoying
BewareTheIceSpiders
Gotta get good enough that headhunters call you. Then you dont have to deal with this anymore.
Strostkovy
That's not all that much typing for some of us.
KawaiiPirate
I use the indeed app on my phone for this exact reason, fuck re-entering everything every time
firattt
Multiple times I've actually just put down refer to attached resume and every single time got a call saying I have to fill them out... Whhhy
4mb3r64
They make your enter it twice so their software to weed out applicants works better.
PileOfWalthers
Seriously, fuck this shit. I'm not even going to bother then.
DanceLink
Had to do this for a job recruiter in Montreal at one point. Never got anything from them. I was almost inclined to just walk out.
GreasySkadoosh
I'm getting laid off and searching like crazy. This is the absolute worst!
FreyaNicci
Happened to me back in May. The trick is doing at least 20 applications a day.
I am on every site doing exactly that. Hope you found something!
ElvisHasJustLeftTheBuilding
"Send your resume in Word format"
EnByOwl
As a person who is moving and looking for a new job....This sucks monkey balls!
alchemist12345
One time I thought Id "cheat" the system and found an HR employee's email address and sent my app directly there thinking "Oh boy, they
2 will surely notice that Id like address them more directly, maybe that will be a plus."Got a reply that I HAVE TO fill out the online form
DrWhoodles
The form is a legal document and that's why they need it filled out.
DickMcStiffens
(1/2)This is the same with calling customer service. "Please enter your account number followed by the # sign".
(2/2) Hello thank you for calling "insert company" can I get your account number first.
vtburn
They're literally just making sure its you so if calls get mixed up it can be handled effectively
DaggersNscarS
Also need to have 5 year experience for this entry level position.
fluger
Worked in HR, the reason is that a resume isn't a legal document. If you lie on your resume about experience you can say that you never (1)
wrote that resume and claim we forged it and fight termination. By having you fill out an application and sign it, you are attesting that 2
you have those skills and then if you don't we can fire you. Its a pure CYA move for businesses (3).
Seandarkside
Copy and paste
thesoundofthewavescollide
"See resume". There's nothing wrong with that.
RihannaPublicist
They do this so their screening program can screen for certain keywords. If you do this you can lower your chance of employment.
thornus67
Some forms explicitly say you are not to type that.
deucedave
If employers are picking who they want to invest in via keywords on some online app, I see why we have an employment issue in this country l
VulcanP90
You think?
thunderboltsandlightningveryveryfrighting
I have put this before and still got the job. I have no time for that bull shit
captbananapants
A company has no obligation to you. Making people redo information in another is an easy way to weed out people who don't put in effort.
It's a fucking job application ffs. I don't bother reading resumes of people who put "yes" to questions with no character limit. Fucking try
BreenW
Comment buried below "wrote java on linked in. I get 2 calls a week with job offers." For those back looking, its all keyword driven now 1/2
2/2 some large org even use software to vet CV's for keywords. That method you got that job 10 years ago may not be effective now.
remix96
I once had to upload it, send them a copy and fill it out online to apply and fill it out online one more time for employment.
VIPporscheCollector
They do this on purpose to weed out people who aren't serious about the job. It significantly lowers the number of people who apply
OatmealBreakfast
Ever think it's a filter to weed out those who are too lazy to fill out some online forms?
exlurker42
It provides consistent and sanitary data for the system, and your own format for the manager.
HessianGhost
That would be reasonable if they didn't also ask for a resume.
That's for the hiring managers. The systems aren't for you, you want something. The company pays for the ATS and configure to their wants.
Canofminus
After an interviewer made me wait for an hour, he kept on asking me questions on my resume. I snapped and said "It's all right there." 1/2
I got the job because I was referred and also because he was so fucking lazy he didn't want to interview anyone else. Horrible boss 2/3
and got fired for lying about overtime, leaving the office for hours, and using an IT consultant for everything 3/3
TallLightnHandsome
I hate it, even though I know why they do it.
To annoy me?
To satisfy our computer overlords. https://www.jobscan.co/blog/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-applicant-tracking-systems/
I know about the keyword parsing, but they can do that with my resume also, can't they?
It's not as easy to scan and get the info. I just wish they'd do one or the other, not have you fill in the form, the require an attachment.
Oh well. Seeing how I'm 46 and have never in my life gotten a job by sending in a resume in reply to a job ad, it's a moot point anyway.
QuintessenceOfDust
Then come to the interview, we'll ask you the same questions the form did.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Depends. In my experience it happens more if you are only interviewed by HR and noone from the dept. you'd be
working at is there to ask more relevant questions.
MarkusJunnikkala
Because we never read the form or your CV.
THRAWN18
Sometimes this is to test you on your resume and experience
clevernametom
Well yes, we would like to discuss it with you. Also, in most cases we only receive the resume 15 minutes before meeting you. Or in 1/2
some cases we just don't have time to sit and read someones resume before meeting them unfortunately.
peaceloveandgraffiti
Well that sucks.
A little bit yes. Usually the people interviewing are the people you'd be working with. So we're trying to do our jobs AND find a 1/2
suitable candidate for our team. It can become a tad overwhelming.
HeywoodJablowmie
It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't add "work experience" and "schools" again
Kidiri
"Bad" and "Hard knocks"
sikzik
WorkerLurker
Unfortunately it's for databases, personally... don't save my shit till you hire me.
CompagnoDiCubo
I have fourteen unique ASEs, they always make me add them one by one...Then my CDL, then my A/C stuff (609)
nclu
It'd also be helpful if there were standard form names that allowed autocomplete to transfer your answers across sites.
mistersaIvage
I bet there's some kind of plug-in for Firefox or Chrome...
KuistiPanu
You can just have all the info open on a word where you copy paste everything?
Both can autofill. This is how you can get shipping address fast, because the html input names match , etc.
Because that's what employers want: auto-filled applications
2) web-form application related story. I got my current job because I used the web form to heavily criticize the design of the web form.
1) When the information is uniform it should be designed for ease of use. Your year of graduation shouldn't change by employer.
jdizzleforizzle
They dont give a fuck about us why the fuck should we care about them? Besides conformity and blind obedience is encouraged in the workplace
And autofilled applications would be a good way to epitomize that
srsfaceI8C
I know, right? I don't remember the address and phone number to the place I worked at 6 years ago, I don't wanna track that down yet again.
LordNoodles
I used my papa johns account to find the old addresses
ThomasBaird
Pizza is knowledge.
BatsuitsNipples
Or they ask for the supervisor, their phone number, and other stuff (all required)... like, seriously?
NoSleepTilBrooklyn
Six years? Try 20. I applied to work for the local gov't and they wanted my ENTIRE work history. I'm 41 and have been working for 27 years.
I was just grabbing an arbitrary number but I hear you. I've been in the work force 15+ years myself
MrStLouis
That part makes sense. They're basically references. But for God sake just Google the fucking company name and city you HR dick
arsenicwolf
One of my last jobs, the company went under. So I love the "can we contact this supervisor?" question. If you can fucking find her, sure.
Unrelated rant: I don't want to spend 5+ minutes on one application that they're going to spend 15 seconds looking at
5 minutes? Mine take so long. Been at too many jobs
ruferto
its like when i walk into interviews and they ask me if i have a copy of my resume, i look at them like "you have it, this isnt the 90s"
ijustwannaseeelephants
You always bring it, it's a matter of being professional. And they likely have a lot of applicants, not going to remember who's who.
nah, its 100% uneccesary. they usually have it right on their desk when i walk in. only once have i had to pull out my tablet to show it
most of the time they just say that as a test to see if you've brought it. its a throwback question, but irrelevant these tdays
If it's a test like you say, shouldn't you try to pass the test?
not really. its a throwaway thing. i interview constantly (freelance/contractor) this is one of the things you can safely ignore
(also their response is a good way to start gauging them - an interview goes both ways, never forget that)
banana4skale
Literally just had to do this and had this same thought!
NeelboBaggins
This is designed to weed out the people who are too lazy to do it. Doing it twice shows dedication and desire to attain the position.
MrsZbornak
Then answer 200 question about nothing . Those are annoying
BewareTheIceSpiders
Gotta get good enough that headhunters call you. Then you dont have to deal with this anymore.
Strostkovy
That's not all that much typing for some of us.
KawaiiPirate
I use the indeed app on my phone for this exact reason, fuck re-entering everything every time
firattt
Multiple times I've actually just put down refer to attached resume and every single time got a call saying I have to fill them out... Whhhy
4mb3r64
They make your enter it twice so their software to weed out applicants works better.
PileOfWalthers
Seriously, fuck this shit. I'm not even going to bother then.
DanceLink
Had to do this for a job recruiter in Montreal at one point. Never got anything from them. I was almost inclined to just walk out.
GreasySkadoosh
I'm getting laid off and searching like crazy. This is the absolute worst!
FreyaNicci
Happened to me back in May. The trick is doing at least 20 applications a day.
GreasySkadoosh
I am on every site doing exactly that. Hope you found something!
ElvisHasJustLeftTheBuilding
"Send your resume in Word format"
EnByOwl
As a person who is moving and looking for a new job....This sucks monkey balls!
alchemist12345
One time I thought Id "cheat" the system and found an HR employee's email address and sent my app directly there thinking "Oh boy, they
alchemist12345
2 will surely notice that Id like address them more directly, maybe that will be a plus."Got a reply that I HAVE TO fill out the online form
DrWhoodles
The form is a legal document and that's why they need it filled out.
DickMcStiffens
(1/2)This is the same with calling customer service. "Please enter your account number followed by the # sign".
DickMcStiffens
(2/2) Hello thank you for calling "insert company" can I get your account number first.
vtburn
They're literally just making sure its you so if calls get mixed up it can be handled effectively
DaggersNscarS
Also need to have 5 year experience for this entry level position.
fluger
Worked in HR, the reason is that a resume isn't a legal document. If you lie on your resume about experience you can say that you never (1)
fluger
wrote that resume and claim we forged it and fight termination. By having you fill out an application and sign it, you are attesting that 2
fluger
you have those skills and then if you don't we can fire you. Its a pure CYA move for businesses (3).
Seandarkside
Copy and paste
thesoundofthewavescollide
"See resume". There's nothing wrong with that.
RihannaPublicist
They do this so their screening program can screen for certain keywords. If you do this you can lower your chance of employment.
thornus67
Some forms explicitly say you are not to type that.
deucedave
If employers are picking who they want to invest in via keywords on some online app, I see why we have an employment issue in this country l
VulcanP90
You think?
thunderboltsandlightningveryveryfrighting
I have put this before and still got the job. I have no time for that bull shit
captbananapants
A company has no obligation to you. Making people redo information in another is an easy way to weed out people who don't put in effort.
captbananapants
It's a fucking job application ffs. I don't bother reading resumes of people who put "yes" to questions with no character limit. Fucking try
BreenW
Comment buried below "wrote java on linked in. I get 2 calls a week with job offers." For those back looking, its all keyword driven now 1/2
BreenW
2/2 some large org even use software to vet CV's for keywords. That method you got that job 10 years ago may not be effective now.
remix96
I once had to upload it, send them a copy and fill it out online to apply and fill it out online one more time for employment.
VIPporscheCollector
They do this on purpose to weed out people who aren't serious about the job. It significantly lowers the number of people who apply
OatmealBreakfast
Ever think it's a filter to weed out those who are too lazy to fill out some online forms?
exlurker42
It provides consistent and sanitary data for the system, and your own format for the manager.
HessianGhost
That would be reasonable if they didn't also ask for a resume.
exlurker42
That's for the hiring managers. The systems aren't for you, you want something. The company pays for the ATS and configure to their wants.
Canofminus
After an interviewer made me wait for an hour, he kept on asking me questions on my resume. I snapped and said "It's all right there." 1/2
Canofminus
I got the job because I was referred and also because he was so fucking lazy he didn't want to interview anyone else. Horrible boss 2/3
Canofminus
and got fired for lying about overtime, leaving the office for hours, and using an IT consultant for everything 3/3
TallLightnHandsome
I hate it, even though I know why they do it.
PileOfWalthers
To annoy me?
TallLightnHandsome
To satisfy our computer overlords. https://www.jobscan.co/blog/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-applicant-tracking-systems/
PileOfWalthers
I know about the keyword parsing, but they can do that with my resume also, can't they?
TallLightnHandsome
It's not as easy to scan and get the info. I just wish they'd do one or the other, not have you fill in the form, the require an attachment.
PileOfWalthers
Oh well. Seeing how I'm 46 and have never in my life gotten a job by sending in a resume in reply to a job ad, it's a moot point anyway.
QuintessenceOfDust
Then come to the interview, we'll ask you the same questions the form did.
alchemist12345
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Depends. In my experience it happens more if you are only interviewed by HR and noone from the dept. you'd be
alchemist12345
working at is there to ask more relevant questions.
MarkusJunnikkala
Because we never read the form or your CV.
THRAWN18
Sometimes this is to test you on your resume and experience
clevernametom
Well yes, we would like to discuss it with you. Also, in most cases we only receive the resume 15 minutes before meeting you. Or in 1/2
clevernametom
some cases we just don't have time to sit and read someones resume before meeting them unfortunately.
peaceloveandgraffiti
Well that sucks.
clevernametom
A little bit yes. Usually the people interviewing are the people you'd be working with. So we're trying to do our jobs AND find a 1/2
clevernametom
suitable candidate for our team. It can become a tad overwhelming.
HeywoodJablowmie
It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't add "work experience" and "schools" again
Kidiri
"Bad" and "Hard knocks"
sikzik
Copy and paste
WorkerLurker
Unfortunately it's for databases, personally... don't save my shit till you hire me.
CompagnoDiCubo
I have fourteen unique ASEs, they always make me add them one by one...Then my CDL, then my A/C stuff (609)
nclu
It'd also be helpful if there were standard form names that allowed autocomplete to transfer your answers across sites.
mistersaIvage
I bet there's some kind of plug-in for Firefox or Chrome...
KuistiPanu
You can just have all the info open on a word where you copy paste everything?
nclu
Both can autofill. This is how you can get shipping address fast, because the html input names match , etc.
KuistiPanu
Because that's what employers want: auto-filled applications
nclu
2) web-form application related story. I got my current job because I used the web form to heavily criticize the design of the web form.
nclu
1) When the information is uniform it should be designed for ease of use. Your year of graduation shouldn't change by employer.
jdizzleforizzle
They dont give a fuck about us why the fuck should we care about them? Besides conformity and blind obedience is encouraged in the workplace
jdizzleforizzle
And autofilled applications would be a good way to epitomize that
srsfaceI8C
I know, right? I don't remember the address and phone number to the place I worked at 6 years ago, I don't wanna track that down yet again.
LordNoodles
I used my papa johns account to find the old addresses
ThomasBaird
Pizza is knowledge.
BatsuitsNipples
Or they ask for the supervisor, their phone number, and other stuff (all required)... like, seriously?
NoSleepTilBrooklyn
Six years? Try 20. I applied to work for the local gov't and they wanted my ENTIRE work history. I'm 41 and have been working for 27 years.
srsfaceI8C
I was just grabbing an arbitrary number but I hear you. I've been in the work force 15+ years myself
BatsuitsNipples
Or they ask for the supervisor, their phone number, and other stuff (all required)... like, seriously?
MrStLouis
That part makes sense. They're basically references. But for God sake just Google the fucking company name and city you HR dick
arsenicwolf
One of my last jobs, the company went under. So I love the "can we contact this supervisor?" question. If you can fucking find her, sure.
BatsuitsNipples
Unrelated rant: I don't want to spend 5+ minutes on one application that they're going to spend 15 seconds looking at
MrStLouis
5 minutes? Mine take so long. Been at too many jobs
ruferto
its like when i walk into interviews and they ask me if i have a copy of my resume, i look at them like "you have it, this isnt the 90s"
ijustwannaseeelephants
You always bring it, it's a matter of being professional. And they likely have a lot of applicants, not going to remember who's who.
ruferto
nah, its 100% uneccesary. they usually have it right on their desk when i walk in. only once have i had to pull out my tablet to show it
ruferto
most of the time they just say that as a test to see if you've brought it. its a throwback question, but irrelevant these tdays
ijustwannaseeelephants
If it's a test like you say, shouldn't you try to pass the test?
ruferto
not really. its a throwaway thing. i interview constantly (freelance/contractor) this is one of the things you can safely ignore
ruferto
(also their response is a good way to start gauging them - an interview goes both ways, never forget that)