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ShinnyShinnShinn
Anyone noticed that this was in 2015?
MightyTightyWhities
The irony how Modern Healthcare has forced us to make Wild West decisions
HRinappropriate
Medi-Cal will pay for like almost all of that. In fact if they qualified for Medi-Cal it'd likely be 100% covered.
flowmander
Good luck trying to use reason with this bunch. Also the rattlesnake bite must've been pretty terrible to get this guy to the ICU
HRinappropriate
My wife's a RN and works with billing a lot. Even if you're totally uninsured they have programs to help and price is always negotiable.
secretoaster
I would pay $1000 of that. Then nothing afterwards for the year.
ELAYDE
You don't have to pay that, just let them throw you in jail. Then you'll have free housing, free meals AND free healthcare! Problems solved.
overcookedchickennugget
The average american patient's reaction when they see their medical bill : https://imgur.com/fz2GO7i
averagestudent69
ooprs
People still cry cuz Obamacare hahahah at least he tried
FourCatsAndSevenMemesAgo
I call bullshit without sources.
ShakePourRepeat
Wouldn’t this be covered by emergency Medicaid since it is a life threatening emergency?
alex5775
Nope. In America corporations benefit from our citizens almost dying. Heartless shit
ShakePourRepeat
Certain life threatening conditions are covered by emergency Medicaid.
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSmitt
Yeah that's before insurance pays the majority
alex5775
If your insurance will pay the majority it's better than mine
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E509
all the insurer has to say is "We don't cover anything from that hospital/provider"
frobnicat
① And these kind of prices, even if covered 100% by insurance, inhibit many discussions about universal health care. "We can't afford this!"
frobnicat
② Not with these prices, you can't. But the prices are inflated, and this needs to be fixed first.
Robin52
Making America great again!
supernaturalfanboy
Those specialty services better include sucking the venom out through my dong. Christ!
weneedmorequestions
As a german:
TheNihilistsParadoxicalWashingMachine
This is insane. What kind of country fights brutally hard to lower corp taxes, and then delights in charging huge sums to keep people alive.
Firetowerdude
USA. USA. USA...US-....why am I cheering. It sucks.
TheNihilistsParadoxicalWashingMachine
Honestly I can't imagine what I would do in that situation. Leave the country ? That's a life ruining sum for the privilege of healthcare.
Firetowerdude
Is why high-deductible insurance is worth it. Covers everything like over 10k-basically catastrophic stuff
unpurposedporpoise
If I get bit by one, I know now to lay down and accept my fate.
Dracosi
It doesn't kill you immediately, it kills you if you're retarded and refuse medical care if you're in the U.S.
drowninginthesouth
Payment arrangement. $50 a month for the rest of your life. Not the worst trade off for surviving.
strangerthingies
laying down and doing nothing when bitten is literally not figuratively the best thing you could possibly do if bitten
rimehoarfrost
“Is literally not figuratively” huhhh?
IAmAwayInTheOcean
Rattlesnake poison coagulates blood to kill. It would be quicker to run around, get that heart rate up. Staying still=very slow death.
stellarpiper1
Okay, if I get bit by one, I now know running around screaming is my best option.
IfYouAreReadingThisILoveYou
Is a brisk walk okay? I'm not in good shape and my knees start aching after like- 5 seconds of running.
Karkatos
You are by design less likely to get a snake bite
IfYouAreReadingThisILoveYou
Yeah, but just in case tho.
geTplasterd
Dracosi
Venom* And it'll still take a longass time unless you have a bubbleboy immune system
HoneNathan
Venom is a form of poison. Its fine to distinguish but dont go around telling others they're wrong.
IAmAwayInTheOcean
I mean technically I was. If it bites you and you die it’s venomous. If you bite it and you die it’s poisonous.
putrldseven
Realistically, a bubble boy immune system would be worse. Never being exposed to disease to train your body.
Dracosi
I was being hyperbolic but yeh
Dashiznit
hyperglycemic rhyme chammer
BunchaCrunchOfHuman
What if someone else calls an ambulance and you get swept away to the hospital? Could you sue them or at least hand them the bill?
EvilandImaginary
My 70 something neighbor fell gashed her face open and kept telling us not to call an ambulance but she needed stitches.
TrickerTreater
You would have to be unconscious. Otherwise, you'd just have to say "no consent."
ChewOnIce
I believe in the US there is actually a law that protects people that try to help. Good Samaritan law I think
beardedwolf
Wasn't the Good Samaritan Law the one that got the characters of Seinfeld thrown in prison for mocking a mugging victim?
Rakkndon
Yeah. China doesnt have one and its a huge problem over there. You see someone fall, you just walk away or get all their bills.
girlpants
Is someone who was helped against their will still liable for the cost of care, though?
shikolti
Depends on locality but generally a legal grey area simplified by a yes.
dannakala
You can say no. If you're unconscious, it's called "implied consent" and you'll be treated and liable for cost of care.
Dehaka
It's funny how fucking someone unconscious is okay as long as it's done by an industry.
xane
You run away from the ambulance.
NoFoxLeft
I'm going to say it. I've see an a lot of venomous snake bites come through my hospital and I've never seen a bill that high for it. Ever.
NoFoxLeft
Bills that I've seen this high are SEVERE car accident relating, with the person having 3+ weeks of stay, surgery, physical therapy, etc.
CypherSteak
One snake bite should not be a reason to have to file for Bankruptcy.
Zeroforwinger
OfficialBenderRodriguez
https://media.giphy.com/media/fcEQaKl4KTtrq/giphy.gif
GetCurious
Agreed, that's more money than I've earned in my entire life, and I graduated college years ago.
youknowthatonepersonwiththeface
I got bitten by a baby copperhead, my monthly payments for my hospital visit were twice as much as my payments for student loans.
FwdSlashRoot
You can go anywhere for a sufficient number of blowjobs.
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ladybuglauren
Yeah and I am pretty sure you can't claim them either, and you can no longer claim student loan debt.
dannakala
short answer: no.
shinagami091
Actually it’s quite the opposite. Medical debt is not allowed to be taken into consideration for loans and such.
BatmansUnderPantsAreSoSoft
As someone who just tried to get a house, medical on my record fucked my loan.
DubhIainn
"Medical debt" - damn that just sounds wrong
texasdean
Even after bankruptcy I think, its often sold to creditors that will hound you. The debt is collectable for up to 7 years I believe.
brandnewedgarzootsuit
No
DrWhoTheHellAreYou
And if you acknowledge the debt, then the clock restarts, even after the seven years is up. No shit.
MrBinns
So 7 years of homelessness for a snek bite
LollipopLich
Correct. Most medical bills can no longer can be sent to collections, either.
vikencoldfire
Medical debt is not reported to credit reports until they are sold to collections and if you pay them off they will be removed immediately.
MironGaines
Mine were sold to a collector after 45 days. All 27k of them. How do they expect anyone to come up with That?
vikencoldfire
The good news is they cannot sue you for medical collections. This gives you Leverage. I try saving up about 20% of one of the bills.
vikencoldfire
I work at a financial company that helps people with getting out of debt
Carefuler
I thought that was student loans.
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WingedGopher
It's student loans, and any secured loans/debt can be repoed. Medical bills will be forgiven though.
FPTPsucks
All of that was depressing
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
Why not both?.gif
pyrrhlis
I know you can’t get rid of student loans through bankruptcy, but not sure about medical debt.
ArcaneAlchemist
well, you could get a credit card or seven, max them out, use that money to pay your student loans, and then file for bankruptcy...
ArcaneAlchemist
but that's probably illegal if you get caught
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Tremond118
Careful with that edge kiddo
TerryCrews
Yay unrestrained capitalism!
cyno01
We didnt fight the cold war for 50 years for anything else. Better dead of easily preventable and treatable maladies than Red.
tzxAzrael
isn't it great how all that money is trickling down to make the poor less poor?
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onecowboytoo
The problem is a few companies are doing that. So now they have proof that it does trickle down.
DemiGuy
Business opportunity to raise rattlesnakes for anti-venom
TheScottishRonSwanson
It's a British company in America that does the... they maintain and farm the venom ship it to Australia for processing and then shipped to
TheScottishRonSwanson
UK for final testing and stuff then shipped back to USA and the rest of the world for use.
TheScottishRonSwanson
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/af6fc1c8-2799-11e4-ae44-00144feabdc0
lexaeiousometimesyie
timespacemotion
One snake bite, one degree, they cost about the same here in America..
graou13
I would argue that they also cost the same in europe.
Slashinhobo
For that price i could get several BS degree and pay for room and board off campus. No need for ivy league schooling.
Meloncov
Ivy League schools all have excellent financial aid. It's the upper-middle tier schools that tend to be wildly expensive.
Carefuler
Well, not that long ago it would have been a death sentence, so that makes bankruptcy seem not so bad. Don't know where you're coming from.
thatfucknguy
Being that far in the hole might a death sentence as well. If you've never been broke for a long time, you wouldn't know. Pull the silver /1
Carefuler
I've been through bankruptcy. it's not a death sentence at all but more like a new start. in fact some people abuse it so I hear.
thatfucknguy
Plug out of your ass and learn some truth
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Dracosi
It's fucked and we have issues, yeah. Compare to: Countries where you can get killed for being LGBT, white, or atheist. Shithole? lmao
zomnoms
If you have to get a loan just for medical care or to get a college education, yeah, I'd say shithole. It's insane.
Dracosi
It's a shithole if you're used to living in a first world country and having luxuries that most people in third world countries don't have.
Sajer
I can't remember the exact term. But in America they found increased suicide and drug/alcohol use is tied to it directly. its like a-
Sajer
Economical landslide for individuals and families. Get slammed with student loans. Slide down. Get slammed with medical crisis. Slide-
Sajer
Down. Lose your home to a hurricane. Shoot yourself. Constant economical loss resulting in death and perpetuating poverty for families -
alex5775
I've been saying this for years. It's fucked up that hospitals are allowed to do this shit
Tornadotaco
It's not the fault of hospitals, they have to keep the doors open, pay doctors, buy expensive meds. Should be the gov't (us, taxes) paying
KennysMostPainfulEliminationOfTheDay
It is the hospital's fault though. They set the prices for their services and those prices are ludicrous. For example in November my mom 1/
QuackQuackAttack
For all the European national insurance comments, further up the page this person submitted this to Medi-Cal, ie govt “free” insurance
STGxDante
While it costs $500-$3k for a dog getting the same exact treatment.
TheS4ndm4n
Makes sense. Smaller dose. May still be cheaper to go to a vet and say woof.
iamdanman
So what happens if you don’t pay in America?
JudgeNotByTheColorOfOnesSkinButByTheContentsOfOnesDumps
Gets sent to irs and they put a lien on your assets. Garnish wages. It ruins your credit
iamdanman
Guess I’ll just die then
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Tremond118
No they won’t you spaz. Your credit just gets wrecked
Flyndaran
And they'll garnish your paycheck legally up to 50% of it.
SDGuitar
The listed rates are kind of like "goal" rates.If you are insured you don't pay them. If you are uninsured just tell em you can't afford 1/2
SDGuitar
it and the price will be reduced substantially (it may behoove you to have a legal representative "negotiating" this reduction). 2/2
DataLady
Destroys your credit (can't buy or even rent a house, interest rates for car loans go up to 18-24%, etc) and you can be sued and lose wages
Flyndaran
Destroys credit so you can't get a loan for cars, houses, etc. and they will garnish your paycheck legally up to 50%, but sometimes more.
ohheckyeahh
It’s 35% and it can only happen for government owned debt e.g. federal student loans
ohheckyeahh
Correction: “maximum of 25% of earnings or the amount of disposable income that exceeds 30 times the minimum wage -- whichever is smaller.”
pirogoeth
1/2 rear-ended in 2011 buy a guy with no insurance he jumped out of his car and ran, my total bill was $384k after requesting a coding
pirogoeth
audit the bill was reduced to $700. didn't pay and it has had zero effect of my credit.never even appeared on equifax or transunion.
BiggieSmallsIsTheIllest
Bye bye good credit!
ohheckyeahh
Pretty much nothing. They will harass you for a while, but can’t report it to credit agencies or garnish your pay/get liens on your property
DataLady
My husband has about a dozen medical bills as delinquent on his credit and all but 2 of them are billing errors. All sold to debt collection
ohheckyeahh
The ignorance being spouted in this thread is astonishing... people speaking with authority over something they clearly know nothing about
DataLady
I'm wondering if you live in a state that has some tighter laws on medical debt because it absolutely 100% lands on your credit.
TheGreatLemonWheel
Welcome to capitalism, where everything is an industry and the morality of it doesn't matter.
Lookatmyemailaddress
Is say freedom is pretty crucial for morality
chloramphenicolderivative
If it had at least been free market capitalism it would have worked. America really has the worst possible amount of regulation.
alex5775
You think a hospital being able to do this is too much regulation?
chloramphenicolderivative
It's the same when looking at ISPs. It's so outrageous that it appears to be very under regulated, when instead it's under competitive.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
How would it have worked?
chloramphenicolderivative
A lot of US industries has a the problem that it allows for corporate greed, which wouldn't be bad if they didn't over regulate which
chloramphenicolderivative
drive up the cost of entry to market. So there isn't competition, which would naturally regulate prices.
doubleormuffin
Am I reading this wrong, or are you saying that having a lack of competition would naturally regulate prices? Please tell me I'm misreading.
chloramphenicolderivative
Competition would have regulated prices, had it been allowed to exist.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
A completely unregulated market just leads to monopolies which does the opposite of regulating prices.
chloramphenicolderivative
How so? fewer regulations means that it's cheaper to start a business, which would discourage monopolies.
8gigsofshark
Are you kidding? Free market capitalism you don't know if it's actual antivenin you got. Maybe it was salt water. Caveat emptor!
chloramphenicolderivative
Sure bad reputations is a great business model. Services of repeatably disreputable providers are highly sought after.
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chloramphenicolderivative
So you mean like how it is now?
8gigsofshark
Sucks to be the person who died before that bad reputation came out.
chloramphenicolderivative
I forgot that all of medical industry is reset and reduced to Ebay.
rocketdonkey
Modderfukker I love living in Denmark.
QuackQuackAttack
To be fair, effective tax rate on middle income household in Denmark is 42%, US is 27%. A 100k household has 15k more per year in the US.
rocketdonkey
I pay that amount gladly for free university (nay, PAID university), free healthcare, a sturdy social security system, etc.
QuackQuackAttack
Perhaps. Just saying that US household has 15k each year to make a choice with. Danes have the choice made for them.
CorneliusCornwall
No rattlesnakes in Denmark
pinkisthecolourofevil
Sikke et yndigt land ;)
Vercci
What do you think about the cinnamon at 25 thing?
rocketdonkey
Just don’t do it near an open flame.
ohijustcantwaittobeking
Shattered my ankle there, didn't pay anything. I love denmark too
touseComputerBaron
Move to Canada.. free health care plus no rattle snakes. oh wait we are planning on building a wall ;)
pewpew80
There are rattlesnakes here in the southern prairies.
HellomynameisSatan
There is lots of rattlers in Canada you dingdong.
Velexis
Denmark is the same. Except you also get paid to get an education
Elfoxico
Ingen rattlesnakes, men skulle man formå at blive bidt af en.. Så kostede det ikke en krone.. eller Dollar
Logan9Fingers
Here come dat sweden! Rattlesnakes can fuck off!
MDavidsonJutland
Woop woop min bror!
disabledbanana
A bit more comfy than living right next to that dumpster fire. Sigh.
larryrathbun
My twins cost $250,000 to be born. Insurance paid it all without a blink.
TrapDaddyTrump
Well good for you not all of us have good insurance providers
NoFoxLeft
I guarantee your insurance paid maybe $25,000 and the rest was adjusted off by the hospital.
Fuckyourface4life
Either lying or you’re not the one who pays the bills, that’s not how insurance works, you paid a percentage
larryrathbun
Hmm... Perhaps my wife's high risk pregnancy had already exhausted my deductibles and out of pocket. Also fortunate to be at a company ...
larryrathbun
that paid 100% of premium. Thank you for showing you don't know squat about my situation.
Fuckyourface4life
U come here and brag about shit a majority of CO’s don’t fully cover, then post more facts only u have, seems you were trolling all along.
larryrathbun
Feeling a little insignificant are we? I was making a point as to how expensive something can be, like OP. It was you who called BS without
Durango
HOW can one possibly justified paying a quarter million bucks to pull a baby out? Jeez man, pop him out in the wild and buy a house instead
larryrathbun
Wife and twins would have died.
Durango
It was more a rhetorical question since these procedures don't cost nearly as much elsewhere but, still, glad to hear it ended well for them
vancityandy
Just had a son. Cost us $14/day for parking. Canada
natistar
That “price” is fake.. They will never tell a patient the negotiated price
ArdvarkRoticeryChicken
My friend's hospital accidentally sent the insurance companies bill to her instead of the insurance company. it was over 70% less.
larryrathbun
They charge more if you are uninsured. They will try to charge the patient the difference between what they want and what insurance pays.
ArdvarkRoticeryChicken
yea, they have a ridiculous racket going on with the insurance companies.
AKTishness
Yeeaaah one of the many reason's I am not going to pop out a baby. That and the screaming and poop and puke, yeah i'm good without that.
mcneelyj
That doesn’t sound like a good price...I know they are priceless but the hospital is getting awfully hefty with pricing on something natural
glasses4sale
But it shouldn’t cost 250k to have kids
TheFunkyCodingMonkey
It doesn't, it's all artificially inflated.
FreezeTheBallsOffABrassMonkey
Wait until they want to go to college...
steve1907
What happens if you don't pay? Do you get sued, lose all your stuff?
JudgeNotByTheColorOfOnesSkinButByTheContentsOfOnesDumps
Gets sent to irs and they can garnish wages if you still refuse to pay SOMETHING. 5$ counts as something
g0li0nz
Medical bills wont get your wages garnished.
flparg2
They put 2 rattlesnakes in your underwear
somnif
Often the hospital will only expect a % of the total. My mom had an emergency pacemaker put in (55k bill) and only payed ~7k in total.
FwdSlashRoot
Had a Prof tell my class last sem he talked a 15k bill down to 3 by threatening to only send them a few dollars every month to "pay" it.
TheScottishRonSwanson
Thank God for the NHS
Rashimaro
It's a shame Jeremy C(h)unt is trying to Americanise the NHS by selling pieces and contracts off to shitty private companies
TheScottishRonSwanson
My thought exactly, u get cash right now for the sale but it costs more in the long run... would be better to just fix the problem...
TheScottishRonSwanson
Or take money from others to fund the nhs, NO expenses for mps, reduce their wages and reduce the jobseekers money and make them use food
TheScottishRonSwanson
Stamps instead...
MultiTrackDrifting
And a distinct lack of rattlesnakes.
TheScottishRonSwanson
Again we still hold stockpiles of anti venom, just incase... and it's a British company in the USA that produces anti venom.
jender82
Here here. They are desperately stretched but need us to do everything we can to keep our NHS alive!
Zardo03
I just heard about them not paying for a girl's treatment because it was too expensive.
TheScottishRonSwanson
The nhs don't pay if the treatment is not proven to work... ie we don't prescribe some medicines that the USA uses, xanax, aderall
TheScottishRonSwanson
There are cheaper alternatives with better success rates that we use instead... plus evwrything goes through a test period before it's made
TheScottishRonSwanson
Avalible thought the nhs
awardwinningbananaforscale
The NHS doesn't fund every single treatment available for a condition- only if it's felt to be worth the money and will help enough people.
awardwinningbananaforscale
NICE (National Institue for Clinical Excellence) are the ones who decide what treatment will be included on the NHS and what won't.
Coldwanderer
The NHS does have an upper limit per quality of life years gained through a treatment.
Zardo03
Wait that was Canada. Will have to find the source later (or you know search for it on Google)
DeadlyFood
Yeah we have a system. Not perfect, but better off than rattlesnake dude
Zardo03
Well, pros and cons. We do have a lot of cons at the moment, but can easily get better if we actually so no to this overpriced BS
imnotthatblonde
may have also been unproven and/or experiemental
Zardo03
Pretty sure it wasn't, but I could be wrong.
imnotthatblonde
yeh, not sure on the specific case but a lot of these refusals tend to be stuff thats got VERY little evidence
TheScottishRonSwanson
I would be happy to pay an nhs specific tax, say £5 a week and if you injury yourself through being drunk or taking drugs u should pay...
HighlandPotatoe
There is a NHS tax... It's called national insurance. If you earn in the UK you pay it. Defo charges for drinking for repeat offenders.
TheScottishRonSwanson
Yes but ni contributions also pay for pension, I want a specific one that we can all see going to work and if it's named the government cant
TheScottishRonSwanson
Take some for other purposes
TheScottishRonSwanson
20% of the total cost especially if you're on the brew
imnotthatblonde
the issue is mostly back end, discharding patients is near impossible because social services and local authority are heel dragging on /2
imnotthatblonde
setting up care packages and home care so thats bed blocking admissions and resources... also nhs has some horrible inefficiencies
ZeRootOfAllEvil
Not helped by the Thundercunt Jeremy selling off all their shit to the highest bidder.
imnotthatblonde
to some extent too, but also every dept my sisters worked in she has found easy savings of upwards of 20% through REALLY simple stuff
d0o0o0d
The only rattlesnakes in the UK are in zoos.
TheScottishRonSwanson
Pets too apparently, they are illegal I think but we still hold a full stocklist if every antidote for everypoison.
IOnlyHatePeople
Maybe one day, rattlesnakes won't be the only cause or sickness and injury globally. Then we'll be laughing.
TheScottishRonSwanson
Plus its a british company that creates anti venom https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/af6fc1c8-2799-11e4-ae44-00144feabdc0
cheeseguy3412
Im thinking there's going to be a french style revolution here in the next decade or so in the US, this shit sucks.
TheScottishRonSwanson
The movements soul purpose is to take care of its people and free healthcare should be the heart of that
charliegrs
Hahahahahaaaa oh man that was a good one.
JayEnfield
So you're going to go full dictator-emperor?
cheeseguy3412
No, I'm going to continue being a fat lazy programmer that only plays video games and goes to work.
cheeseguy3412
not sure what everyone else is going to do though, I just call it like I see it.
JayEnfield
It alarms me how many Americans I talk to who think that revolutions take power away from government and invariably make things better.
cheeseguy3412
I didn't say things would get better, just that people are angry enough to less than peaceful things about the situation.
Disassembler
*Laughing in European*
JustASlightJingleOfPocketChangePulsing
You would literally be paying for it
Thanshin
No, because everywhere else hospitals can't demand ransom for your life, as they deal with governments, not with dying people.
JustASlightJingleOfPocketChangePulsing
Every pays for it via taxes, was my point
Thanshin
Then you could say "you would literally be paying for a minuscule fraction of it". At which point most people would answer "Yes. We would."
Oaristys
*laughing in french*
Selerox
*Laughing in literally any developed, civilised country*
leroy666
And in Canadian, eh?
Mexicohere
*laughing in mexican*
jerethdatiger12
Had spinal surgery recently only cost i saw was bribing neighbors to walk my dog
circlebreaker
*quietly sips can of maple syrup*
clowndickfart
Can you just adopt Minnesota?
ArcticEnigma
*Laughing in English* love having free healthcare, even if it can be bad at times
FIrecharge44371
*Laughs in Australian*
Itoofelttheneedtochangemyusername
Was my exact response :p
colioDiver
Laughing at the ridiculous wait for basic surgery? Laughing at all your best doctors leaving for the us? Laughing at paying higher taxes?
leroy666
Yep. think one snakebite = 20 years taxes.
KomodoKill
Laugh at your shameful child death ratio ... And don't lie. Best docs don't go there, because it's a shame
Jenjidai
Dude, don't compare Indian docs going to US and European docs not going to US.
hoboface
*reminding about double the taxrate... In european, I guess*
LurkerOfDarkness
The double tax rate covers a shitload more services though, healthcare is around 10% tax on it's own, however US people already pay 1/2
LurkerOfDarkness
Almost that much for the public medical programs that do exist. They could be better and cheaper off. 2/2
hoboface
Not saying that. And not even saying it's a bad thing, I'm gladly paying taxes for my public healthcare.
hoboface
Just pointing out what Americans don't always seem to understand; how MUCH taxes we actually pay to cover up our social standards.
Munnin41
*stoner laughing in dutch*
LokiMischiefManaged
thats a price for a house... wtf
VonKripplespac
Help us...
wowbaggerthethird
sending love and prayers. There, problem solved.
ICantFindTheRightUsername
The facebook-way
Necromartian
That was cold and totally justified. upvote
bentenn
no
AntRam95
We’ll remember that
Vercci
And just like a telltale game do nothing with it
AntRam95
The north remembers
Necromartian
I thought that's why the "right to bear arms" was all the hoot? to overthrow the government in case it became corrupt and unjust?
VonKripplespac
I mean it is but shits been misinterpreted for years.
Necromartian
I'm just saying that country that promotes itself as a greatest country in the world is a quite a shit hole to live to it's citizens.
Beelsebooob
Help yourselves - stop voting for Republicans.
VonKripplespac
I sure as hell didn't.
ARandomHelljumper
We would but they artificially cut up state voting districts to ensure a 30% of population Rep. vote beats a 57% Dem. vote.
Beelsebooob
Also, note - beyond a certain point gerrymandering actually HELPs the suppressed party - a wave election can cause ALL gerlymandered 1/
Beelsebooob
districts to suddenly flip all at the same time. 2/2
Beelsebooob
Thankfully, various state supreme courts appear to be putting an end to that now. Hopefully the SCOTUS cases work out the same way.
ARandomAlien
Majority of us didn't
Caabale
Well, let's start by helping with your election system, then :)
ARandomAlien
I sure as hell wouldn't be opposed
HoneNathan
Majority didnt vote at all. I suppose better advise would be: Start voting for someone else.
Beelsebooob
Sad, but true :(
Beelsebooob
(sad because your political system is so fucked that so many people oppose the Rs but they can still get all the power)
mantzu
HeHeHe yea, here in Norway you most likely get a few extra days free to rest, and they`ll pay for the taxi when it`s time to send you home.
QuackQuackAttack
This person is a MediCal user. Ie free govt insurance in the US. They will pay maybe a few hundred to a few k for that bill
Brewiosa
But they still have to pay
QuackQuackAttack
No, MediCal is insurance. Usually for poorer people. Very minimal out of pocket.
Nookler
*laughing in Canadian*
ConductorOfTheStruggleTrain
*Laughing in just about anything Western that isn't American*
grandmastonguekiss
*laughing in American* ( I rarely pay my bills, especially hospital bills)
OverMyDadBody
AlPal2020
Not so fast, rattlesnakes live there too.
HellomynameisSatan
The point. You're not getting it.
DudeyMcDudester
To be fair I don't thin keep have rattlesnakes here
CaldariBob
Sure do!
Nookler
In Canada? We have them in bc and alberta
Huhwhatcrazy
*laughing in Australian*
KingZullu
Huhwhatcrazy
Better out than in
thalass
corbinism
Looks legit.
Unclegummers
Dude, beat me to it
Nookler
You're welcome eh
corbinism
You’re both fantastic eh
EvilKrikkit
*crying in American*
thecorrupterx
Surprise, you owe us the cost of a small house for keeping you alive.
corbinism
Sorry man, seeing these bills suck. Can’t imagine getting them :(
Femail76
With health insurance it will be deductible and around 5-20% from the patient depending on the coverage
corbinism
5-20% still starts at ~$5000 in this bill. Glad it’s not AS bad but that’s still brutal
Fleaofpain
bloobaloo2
Japan, keep doing you, boo.
UnrustleYerJimmies
This explains so much.
BillHubbard
shrouwoods
*dying in American*
Drek258
That’ll cost you.
shrouwoods
Hahahaha, funny comment.
Pseudosim
I mean, do you KNOW what it costs to rot in a box? I mean jeez, talk about beating a dead horse.
restos
I can't even afford to die.
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
What is this, Warhammer 40k? "I don't have time to die, I'm too busy!"
silfarion
Goge Vandire!
E509
nah more like "Oh so you're dead, let's see, that'll be $800 for processing, $4000 for storage, $375 for transfer, $1500 for cleaning" etc.
Enoan
*living in debt for the rest of your life* they still treat you, just charge you to hell.
KingZullu
Diabetes?
avi8tor
SOCIALIST ! FREE HEALTHCARE IS SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM ! regards, America
ArcticEnigma
So england is socialist........alright, in not complaining XD
hoboface
No, it's not. Still a capitalist country. Public healthcare does not make a country socialist.
ArcticEnigma
Tell that to the guy I commented on.....
HardcoreMango
Socialism and communism are not the same thing. You'd know that if you had a better educational system.
Fengor
Jenjidai
Dude, you really need to learn difference between those two.
JosephMcCovery
The education system does tell the difference (at least it did when I went), it's just that idiots tend to not trust "indoctrination".
LurkerOfDarkness
The cult of stupid at work?
E509
It's no longer so much about socialism and communism, it's about people not wanting a 4% increase in taxes.
hoboface
4 %? According to Wikipedia the overall taxrate for a single person without kids in the US is about 25 %, here in Finland it's 50 %.
RiskItForATotalBiscuit
Which would be more than offset by removing the need for health insurance
chrishallett83
Which would be instantly offset by not having to pay monthly healthcare premiums anymore...
E509
Americans are fine with paying a lot of money to a corporation out of pocket, as opposed to having a small amount go to the government.
LurkerOfDarkness
I find your lack of faith in government disturbing.
chrishallett83
And how stupid is that?
BlackOspa
I wouldnt be laugthing man, its sad. i'm from eu too...but..
SgtThunderfistMD
Real question. Do procedures cost the same as in the US? Seems like it’s a lot easier to have universal health care when bills aren’t 180k.
toolazytothinkaboutaname
Procedures don't cost as much as in the US. It's limited what doctors can charge here.
SgtThunderfistMD
Gotcha. That’s what I figured. Thanks.
LurkerOfDarkness
Doctors live in abject poverty on 100k+ € annual salaries too....
dnebdal
You pay for procedures in the same way you pay for firemen putting out fires - there's an expense somewhere but you never see it.
dnebdal
Specifically, the Norwegian system is for hospitals to get refunded by the state for their running costs (which covers surgeries etc).
8166uy
Also big difference: in the US doctors get payed per test/prescription etcetera. So doing expensive stuff makes better checks.
8166uy
In most of the world this is a flat rate, with some countries charging them if they are doing tests without good verifiable reason or ...
8166uy
amounts way more than their peers (with correction for sicker pts and stuff)
Mexicohere
No, procedures are drastically more expensive in the US.
4troll
Though we have to be honest, the pharmacy costs would be in the 40k€ here aswell, since the anti-dote for the venom is the same price
AustrailanSecurityIntelligenceOrganisation
Not as much here as the crsiro put a lot of research into anti-venom
BIDWK
*Laughing in Australian*
MotorMasticator
*...while convulsing on the floor in the waiting room with 86 patients in front of me*
proileri
Pfft little convulsing never killed anyone.
HellomynameisSatan
Yeah thats 100% not true of Canadian hospitals. Triage bitch.
davidthegoliath
Where do you live, exactly?
rkhale01
He would be moved to the front of the list for life threatening things.
KomodoKill
Found the butthurt
KomodoKill
TRIAGE
AncientSeraph
Don't try to justify the shit US healthcare system with made up arguments. There's some actual good arguments why it's hard to change, none
AncientSeraph
for that it's a good system. It ain't, and all numbers back that up.
Mruttz
They triage like any other hospital. Broke my wrist so bad once it had to be reset. Was in immediately and out in two hours with them 1/2
Mruttz
Putting me under, X-rays, resetting the wrist, waking up etc. All depends on what you have
zenoshogun
Because you live a long way from any rattlesnakes?
Itschmatsch
Maybe. I thought he meant the healthcare here in europe but not so sure anymore.
LiveDieRepeat741
because we don't have to pay medical bills for rest of our lives
4troll
As a german: If I am on holiday in the USA and get bitten by a rattlesnake, my insurance will still pay everything.
Aussieausti
*laughs in literally every developed country except America*
Zer0th
Well, to be fair: we don't have many rattlesnakes here.
FIrecharge44371
*laughs in Australian*
McGreed
I wonder if Australians are laughing?
Ifaptomercy
Naj they all ded
LucianKane
Nah, they're busy having a cold pint right now
valen00
fuckin oath we are laughing mate, medicare for all here.
ideasman69
Yeah bro
FIrecharge44371
*hehehe*
didair
Well, if we did it wouldve run us about $25 in total
4troll
Even if we had you still wouldn't pay anything yourself...
Zer0th
Yup
Jenjidai
Doesn't matter, you can write any emergency there, result would be the same.
nunavailabul
*Laughing in Australian*
iknowitsnotbutter
*gradually laughing less and dieing in australian at the current rate of change*
AustrailanSecurityIntelligenceOrganisation
selkieselk
*horrified in British* Jesus suffering fuck! How does anyone's healthcare get into that state? How do americans stay alive?
TehpenIsmytier
Yup, some don't stay alive. If you can't pay, then fuck you - 'Merica.
misspostmarked
We make gofundme accounts and beg for help
selkieselk
that's crazy, you guys really have a hard time over there :(
Niggorai
*laughing in Indian* yes we have free healthcare too
8166uy
You can't get over a billion inhabitants without I guess. Yet again, the widely available antibiotics there is a bit silly.
8166uy
As in: India is notorious for creating super resistant creepy bacteria. Still better healthcare than the US though. :P
derJake
Ahh, so that's why should always start there in Plague Inc!
RisingSol
But at the same time, your poor don't have toilets, so...
happyFestivus
Who needs a toilet when you can shit in the street?
Niggorai
Exactly
bionic8
And many snakes...
Niggorai
Yup, many many snakes
didair
Eating curry and praying to a cow doesnt count as free healthcare, FatSteveHarrington
Niggorai
I'm Christian, we eat cow curry, gg
vigothecruel
I guess no one else is going to question why someone with a snakebite was sent to radiology?
hesmrlebowskiimthedudesothatswhatyoucallme
assuming this is for an actual snakebite.... But, its captioned on imgur. Must be true
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imnotthatblonde
also debris and tissue damage
Lucerto
Little bit of covering their asses so they don't get sued to oblivion
4troll
he was in ICU, probably chest x-rays
wandergeist
Because it wasn't a snakebite and a real bill for something else was combined with bullshit for humorous effect?
somnif
No it really was a snakebite. Xrays were to look for inclusions (broken off fangs) if I recall correctly
Thephedora
Or how some venom could cost 80k+
indiefab
Anti-venom. That stuff’s crazy expensive and perishable which means it has to be thrown out after a month or so. And it’ll save your life.
Kyrorayne
Bullshit. That crap is basically free to that fucking charged price. They're racking the price against insurance companies and it goes down
Kyrorayne
To the normal people.
gandraw
It costs like 200 bucks in Mexico.
Calistrasza
I'm more shocked that the most expensive thing on this list is the pharmacy charge by nearly 4x the amount as the next item.
VivianFox
Do you know what hey have to do to make antivenom?
Calistrasza
I do. 83k dollars is still a disconcerting amount of money
Dani3113
I don't believe this....
OddBrock
Could be checking for a foreign body (broken fang, etc), checking for extent of necrosis (if applicable), trying to finesse more money 1/2
OddBrock
Cont. (those dr are scum), or just making sure they have all their bases covered in case of a lawsuit
hitshappens
Doctors don't get paid more for x-rays. But they do have to cover their asses because in a trauma case, there's always possibility of (1)
hitshappens
(2) inclusions or secondary injury.
Flyndaran
A wasp stinger once broke off in my wrist. Staph infection made it swell quite a bit. Yeah, wasp, not bee.
dadjokes4lyfe
No, I was just going to question that. I'll keep my social medicine, TYVM!
frostcash
Or therapy...this is probably for chemotherapy
JudgeNotByTheColorOfOnesSkinButByTheContentsOfOnesDumps
As a former xray tech I'm not surprised. Some of the shit they sent down to us was ridiculous. Skull xrays for headaches etc
4troll
ICU would make me suspect chest x-rays
4troll
you don't want to overlook a pneumonia while only treating the venom
Barkinsons
Well TECHNICALLY
nopantsallowedinmyhouse
Recently my sister was told she didn't need xrays for a "sprain," so she had bone shards chilling in her elbow for over a month. Covering 1/
nopantsallowedinmyhouse
their bases is way preferable, imo. She would've been saved a lot of pain from that fracture if they had gotten her xrayed.
chrishallett83
And that's why you're an x-ray tech and not a doctor. My Mum has been suffering from migraines - whoops it was a fucking haemorrhage.
JudgeNotByTheColorOfOnesSkinButByTheContentsOfOnesDumps
An xray wouldn't show anything but bone. She'd need a ct or mri
chrishallett83
There was dye involved.
Hawkner
Docs can bill for tests and get the money. Some finesse by doing this. That, and they wanna cover their asses cuz class action suits.
hitshappens
Docs don't get money for the x-ray unless they're a radiologist. It's because you have to appropriately rule out trauma or inclusions.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
For the $$$, obvs
WhatzitTooya
Isnt it odd that this was a bargain compared to all the other stuff?
BallFondlersTheMovie
"Special services"..?
AnubisPriest
I don't doubt for printing and mailing the bill.
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Happy ending of course.
bowserdrums90
It’s the pillow and blanket for the hospital bed
Donnanobleslonglostdoppleganger
"We brought you a glass of water and a generic ibuprofin, sir.We had to take special classes to learn how to do that."
sponlapp
500 dollars for a pillow and a fucking blanket?
iamnatmann
I remember looking through a large detailed bill when I had an appendectomy. $6 for a single cotton ball. Not a pack of them. One.
proileri
Looks about right.
blahboy500
'murica
sponlapp
Land of the free and home of the debt enslaved regular people with health issues?
Alvatore
You're god damn right.
khora
Charming the snake