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#battlestations #science_fiction #commandschool #worldbookday
Apr 23, 2020 10:40 AM
Kittensmashh
118251
2027
77
#battlestations #science_fiction #commandschool #worldbookday
Stinkpickle77
Good first pick.
XplodingUnicornGlitter
Great book, horrible movie
Ezdoezit21
Read enders shadow!! Told from the perspective of bean. I like it more than enders game.
UncleEckley
Unpopular opinion: Ender's Game sucks, but the three sequels are definitely worth reading.
RandAIFlagg
I loved the book growing up. Shame the author's such a racist homophobe. Especially with that homoerotic shower scene.
squirrelduck
I wasn't huge into this book but to each their own. Glad you enjoyed it. Now don't read about Orson Scott Card unless you want to ruin it.
ZeroLogain
Shadow is the better part of the series.
kaitekarue
Literally saved my life in highschool. I woulda been that super depressed kid otherwise. The author sucks but the book saved me.
VictorDenn
Orson was nice to meet back in the early 80's, but the homophobia is real thick now. Art vs Artist conundrum.
ObliqueRay
'80s* This bugs me so much I went back a year and a half to correct it.
VictorDenn
I didn't even notice that I did that. I even know better. You are correct and I apologize for giving you stress. +1 for you
RayvinGal
This is my favorite series! Speaker for the Dead us my favorite out of all of them!
AscendedTroll
Same. Then a couple years later Ender's Shadow blew my mind to edgy sci-fi
TheMythologicalMan
Never read it. I saw the film though. Never saw the end coming.
UncleEckley
I can't be the only one who thought it was obvious what was going to happen..
FiveDozenEggsButNoBarge
You should read it! The movie doesn't really do it justice.
SonofDavidLopan
Me too!
Skizmo
how were you possible to stay watching until the end? Do you like to torture yourself?
SingleWhiteMonkey
Good Book, Bad Movie, Terrible Person
CloakedFigure
The enemy’s gate is down.
sauronater
Check out Peter F Hamilton. Great sci fi author
mardukkur
Funny, I'm re-reading The Reality Dysfunction right now. He's not my favorite author but definitely decent.
sauronater
He's usually a good author for people starting out in Sci-fi. Then I recommend Vernor Vinge, A Deepness in the Sky :p
mardukkur
A Fire Upon the Deep is absolutely amazing, and Deepness in the Sky is pretty good too.
GhostsofAcid
The second book is the masterpiece. This is just the intro.
GhostsofAcid
Prologue damit
UncleEckley
Agree.
fancygiraph
Bean!
slowlybecomingacrazycatlady
There are prequels now about the first and second bugger wars as well. Quite good.
blzrdphoto
Yes! Currently on the swarm. Excellent story line and very interesting use of future space tech while keeping it realistic.
whatfloatsyourboat
Ah thank you!! I did not know this
zellephant
Ohhh buddy. There’s 10 books in that series. It’s excellent. Enjoy!
chesterthegreat
I really like Ender's bet but I thought the books for progressively worse. I gave up around book 3 or 4.
SeaBisq
Ditto
ZeroLogain
Swap to the Shadow portion. It's back on earth with the characters you knew from the first one. I liked that part a lot more.
CloakedFigure
More than that, right?
imsoupercereal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender%27s_Game_(novel_series)
AscendedTroll
Ender's saga imo was kinda meh, but Bean's saga (Ender's Shadow) was amazing
TheSilentAndUnknown
Agreed. Shadow series is my favorite.
CloakedFigure
The Leguminotes! I totally agree.
PleaseDisperseNothingToSeeHere
The next books in the Ender's series get soooo slow and boring though. Same with the Ender's Shadow series
imsoupercereal
Eh, it ebbs and flows. Some were a bit painful to get through, then it picks back up again.
midrealmknight
It’s a shame that Card is rabidly homophobic and bankrolls efforts to undo marriage equality. Cannot support sending money to that cause.
sc0ttied0g
Pirate
RedIronCrown
I hear you. I love these books but despise the author.
exceedinglyaverage247
Buy secondhand! That’s what I do
Madderrs
Yes. I love the book. Despise the author.
justsome
source?
Tankdoggy
https://www.wired.com/2013/10/enders-game/
Tankdoggy
https://www.salon.com/2013/05/07/sci_fi_icon_orson_scott_card_hates_fan_fiction_the_homosexual_agenda_partner/
mormacil
He also views fanfics etc as theft.
Boomboomyeahshaketheroom
OMW to write massive homo fanfic crossover in his worth. Gonna call it Speaker for the Dick
Boomboomyeahshaketheroom
*world
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
If you want to doubly piss him off, make Ender clearly parallel Hitler. One theory is that the entire series' theme is that even genocidal
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
people are people too! I mean, fuck, they end the series with Ender going nativist with a Brazillian expy.
VillagerJeff
Not exactly. The series ends several thousand years after Brazil is even a thing
lowlight27
I also loved this series and check out the companion series, Ender’s Shadow which follows the character, Bean...
Avagadro
And skip the other books between those two.
SalvadorVango
It’s a series? I thought it was a stand-alone book!
SnossedAndLost
That's what I thought too when I read the book in like 6th grade. Didnt find out there were more until everyone stayed tailing about a movie
LariCheltsy
Dude theres like a dozen or so books in the "Enderverse"
RogueEwok
They're up to 18 now, with 2 more in the works.
fooglephish
None are as good as enders game. None have the same feel, almost like they don't belong in the same series.
lowlight27
No it’s all about how Bean works with Peter Wiggin become hegemon and unite the world after the battle along with a lot of the other kids
SlagathorNotDebbie
What book is that? That's not shadow
lowlight27
Shadow of the Hegemon, it was the second in the series. You start to learn about Bean’s birth defect and it starts to develop
fooglephish
Enders shadow is basically the timeline of enders game, but from beans perspective. Didn't care much for it personally.
longNECKpeople
Too bad that one gets weird on the anti gay marriage. When the gay old man says hes getting married to a woman bc that's what a man does...
OGSpiderman
First book Enders Game is amazing, rest of the series is pretty downhill. Would highly recommend reading first book and stopping right there
PabloDiabloman
Ignore this advice
FiveDozenEggsButNoBarge
I like Speaker best, but admittedly it is almost a completely different genre from Ender's Game. So it's easy to like one but not the other.
MoschopsUK
1/ That's interesting; many people say that Ender's Game is a decent start but clearly what it is - a short story rewritten to novel length
MoschopsUK
2/ and that it's the following books that really get good.
OGSpiderman
I literally could not keep up with all the bs. I love the first book a lot but when they start adding in alt univ it's kinda too much
MutePoliticalPosters
For a lot of people that was the only option. The first sequel came out 10 years after Ender's Game, only due to popularity of the 1st book.
OGSpiderman
Ya it felt too pushed out for me. If it didn't gain that massive popularity he would have continued writing other things he liked.
FiveDozenEggsButNoBarge
Ender's Game (as a series) is my jam! The sequel Speaker for the Dead is by far Card's best book, in my opinion.
marklbc
Liked the original story but Loved the immediate sequels! Real depth instead of pulp. LOATHED the shadow sequels. Unredeeming drivel.
stupidfxckwithbrilliantluck
My favorite too!
FiveDozenEggsButNoBarge
Card wrote in one of his prologues (probably Speaker) that it was the original book he set out to write in this series, and the first (1/?)
FiveDozenEggsButNoBarge
chapter was essentially the history of how humanity got to the state of the current setting. (2/?)
FiveDozenEggsButNoBarge
In other words, what is now Ender's Game was originally a ONE CHAPTER introduction for Speaker for the Dead!! (3/?)
FiveDozenEggsButNoBarge
Then his editor or whoever read it and said - dude this is way too complex for a quick introduction... Leading Card to split it out (4/?)
FiveDozenEggsButNoBarge
Into its own book, and had more leeway to add detail to that part of the story, beyond just a history of mankind's space situation. (5/5)
YourNeighborhoodLesbian
This was the first and almost only book I read in High school. Great book.
Eiladar
I think my first was one of Asimov's 'Lucky Starr' books (A couple of years before Enders Game came out). I did read it eventually though,
Eiladar
I remember the first was good, but the sequels got progressively more guano loco.
JHawke
Caves of steel, brilliant writer, shame he only knew how to write people with impossible deductive skills.
YouAlreadyMutedMe
Excellent book, horrific movie adaptation though!
KarsonMadden
Should have been a tv series like expanse but it was ok for what it is
PeterNormal
The movie fixed the shitty book ending. In the book the reason they needed ender was because they couldn't bear the burden of genocide...
PeterNormal
Military would have no problem with it, at all. In the movie, they used ender's living body armor technique to win, so finally...
PeterNormal
It made sense why they needed his tactical mind, instead of just tricking him into genocide.
OverMyDadBody
I much more like this softer Ender, I could identity with him much better.
VillagerJeff
The only big mistake they made was removing all of the political intrigue. Not a hint about Locke and Demosthenes
KarsonMadden
Should have been a tv series like expanse but it was ok for what it is
BusterWinkmeyer
You can only do so much with a movie. If they went into what his brother and sister were doing, prolly a 5hr movie
AtomicTincan
Do your thing Netflix
Thosquav
Or a mini series, for just the first book.
SlyeSylvester
They shouldn't Have stuck a romance between ender and petra in there.
KeepYourTangoAndYourFoxtrot
It had such potential!! Really disappointed it didn't turn out well.
KarsonMadden
Should have been a tv series like expanse but it was ok for what it is
ThePanzerSchreck
I actually kinda liked the movie, never read the book tho which I'm grateful for.
DenitoOoO
Same here
kirkinout
I really enjoyed the audio play of it on audible. Worth a listen.
SeeHowItGoes
Ooh, good tip!
thevortexmaster
I read the book before and liked the movie. People are too critical
mesowetodit
Yeah, hated the part where Harrison’s brat boy killed him with that light saber though....
stupidfxckwithbrilliantluck
I think the most amazing part was seeing the battleroom just as I imagined it. There's a VR game, Echo VR, that I played the shut out of...
stupidfxckwithbrilliantluck
Because it reminded me so much of this.
WoeToHice
There are some good movie adaptations. But most are bad because they don't just try to adapt, but also "improve" the book.
thevortexmaster
I can see that
romrider07
The problem I think is people want the movie to match the book 100%, but then get made when a movie runs over 2 hours...
romrider07
*mad lol
Andy1rn
And what's in a character's head is almost always boring in a movie. The hardest part of 'show not tell' for movies apparently.
thevortexmaster
Agreed
WoeToHice
Not always. I was fine with elves at Helm's Deep. What made me hate the movies was the way they ruined most of the characters.
PatrioticLibertyPrime
You think thats bad, imagine how i feel when they adapted a 5 book series into 2 movies for percy jackson.
WoeToHice
I gotta admit, I only saw the first movie and that was after I'd read the 5 books. I still haven't read anything else from Riordan.
Itiswhatitisandaintwhatitaint2
The movie was actually pretty good, to bad you didn't enjoy it
exceedinglyaverage247
Amazing book, but the author is a super homophobic, religious asshat. Buy secondhand!
timmynothumbs
Just because he is religious and doesn't agree with your beliefs doesn't make him an asshat.
exceedinglyaverage247
Using his religion as a weapon to discriminate against others is what makes him an asshat. Jesus didn’t mention homosexuality even once.
timmynothumbs
I'm not arguing for his stance on things. I just don't like generalities no matter what side you're on. All religion isn't bad.
Tankdoggy
He is, just see for yourself https://www.salon.com/2013/05/07/sci_fi_icon_orson_scott_card_hates_fan_fiction_the_homosexual_agenda_partner/
exceedinglyaverage247
He’s a troll. Look at his account activity. What a piece of human garbage.
Tankdoggy
ahh, figures
timmynothumbs
You're saying I'm a troll?
tcdriver
Great start....try..The moon is a harsh mistress...Robert A Heinlein..ringworld by Larry Niven
UncleEckley
I don't know who you are, but get the hell out of my study.
mardukkur
Loved The Moon is a Harsh Mistress as a kid. Tried to re-read it recently and it REALLY didn't hold up as an adult.
tcdriver
Try overdrive and get the audio book
mardukkur
Absolutely not. I can read 10 books by the time one audiobook ends.
tcdriver
Ok don't.....have fun speed reading
mardukkur
I don't speed read, though I do read quickly compared to a lot of people- but almost everybody reads a lot, lot faster than audiobooks speak
UncleEckley
I fucking hate audiobooks.
wealthychef
I read this a dozen times along with the rest of the series. I was a shy, clever kid and Ender was my idol. Shadow of Ender was great.
PatrickRothfuss
Couldn't agree more
MinneGiraffeBandit
I'm currently on Shadow of the Hedgemon second book about been. These books are amazing
hr0nk
I think I liked Ender’s Shadow almost more than Ender’s Game
Randamnthoughts2
I did too! Glad you said it
LariCheltsy
Ender's Shadow was amazing! A fully fleshed out Bean was a far superior character.
saikaici
Bean was much harder to relate to. The Ender's Shadow series got a little convoluted too though. Ended well though.
lauraInternetJunkie
Literally shook me. This saga us amazing. The story of Bean is great as well. The first few anyway.
lowlight27
Yeah when they had to build a space ship around him and sent him out to space with his kids I stopped. Haven’t read the next book
TokeMcBong
The next three really tie back into Ender's story and wrap up nicely. Gives you origin info for a ton of unexplained parts of Ender's story.
lowlight27
That’s what I’m hoping
MutePoliticalPosters
A lot of people are critical of this book because of the author's religious beliefs. This was my 1st scifi book also. I credit this book
LariCheltsy
Also all the underage nudity
3stan2112
I enjoyed the book long before I learned anything personal about the author.
MrZev
Great book and series, terrible person.
CandleMoth
Seconded. His views on sisters, wives, and mothers fucked me up at a young impressionable age.
ISnoggedMadamedePompadour
I did battle of the books as a kid and this was one of the scifi subject books I loved it and it sparked my love of scifi
IAmTheToastyOhs
Just buy it used if you don't want to enrich the author. I liked Battlefield Earth also, doesn't mean I want to support Scientology.
FrankJustice1
Good advice. OSC is undeniably a talented author, despite his personal beliefs. Alvin Maker, Treason, Folk of the Fringe, and his horror..
FrankJustice1
... stories are worth reading as well. Borrow or buy used if you don't want to support the author.
BellicoseAlgorithm
100% agree. Treason still stands as one of my favorite"sci-fi" books.
nirbo
*coughcoughCSLEWIScoughcough*
levelor
He didn't have his current beliefs until well after he wrote this and the next two books in the series. So we've got that going for us.
FerbIsMySpiritAnimal
IDK if it is his religion, I know Mormons who are not homophobic.
Three5Nines
Sounds like a bunch of bigots are missing out on some fantastic story telling.
Randamnthoughts2
I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up
Mahamayuri
I felt the book and its foreword was pandering to "I don't get along with people because I'm better and smarter than everyone else" crowd.
cardinal29
See also: Heinlen
MutePoliticalPosters
with opening the world of scifi to me. Now, almost every book I read or movie/tv show I watch, they're all scifi.
TurtlesDoRunAway
Indeed. Read this in 8th grade and been my favorite book since. Didn’t know about the author until later on
exceedinglyaverage247
I love his work too, but because of his beliefs I only get his books secondhand. That way I can enjoy them without supporting his homophobia
EzraFell
I don't understand how the Church of Mormon has anything to do with the book. If we were talking about Battlefield Earth, I'd understand...
MutePoliticalPosters
It doesn't, but a lot of people hate on this book because of the author and his religious views.
EzraFell
I don't know, if you look at the religious views of the character of Ender Wiggin, particularly after he becomes Speaker of the Dead >
MutePoliticalPosters
That's in other books. The Speaker theme is dominant in later books, but not in Ender's Game.
EzraFell
it preaches tolerance, forgiveness, selflessness, and compassion much in the same way that Christ or Buddha did.
Ryebread91
What's his religion have anything to do with the book. I loved it.
asmallcat
Because if you're buying the book, he's getting money, and I don't like giving money to bigots.
VillagerJeff
Do you shop at walmart or best buy? Buy gas at Mobile? There's also Amazon, Apple, Microsoft and many more. It would be impossible to
VillagerJeff
Participate in the world today without giving money to bigots or even specifically homophobes
SeismicCoin
the main issue people have with him is how vehemently anti gay he is. i read and loved all of the enderverse books and dont remember any >>>
tcdriver
He isn't "vehemently " anti gay...a reporter asked his opinion on it he told his view...now sjw hate him
tcdriver
He don't try to stop gays from equal rights....but right or wrong he is allowed to not agree with it...
SeismicCoin
of that actually being in there, but i may have just ignored it. in fact they get increasingly more "preachy" for tolerance as they go iirc
tentacularfleshscape
Achilles is iirc a homosexual
asmallcat
Because if you're buying the book, he's getting money, and I don't like giving money to bigots.
Sassmachine
Yeah man, they literally don't wipe out the descolada virus because they believe it's a living being deserving of life. Card is still warped
MutePoliticalPosters
His religion has nothing to do with the book, the book is a casualty of revenge for his public comments.
Lord0ctopus
Songmaster was another great book of OSC, ironically he displays homosexuality between two protaginist in king of a positive way.
UmmonPrime
One of my all time favorites along with Hyperion..
genepoolboy
If a book is good and does not push religion to me, I do not give a F. Most authors follow some kind of religion, I would be out of books.
Kabe59
I liked EG, but it was so overhyped as the definitive sci fi book, that I was underwhelmed
SkunkMom
If it makes you feel better, he hates that this is his most popular book. He wanted the sequals to be his real novels. And they suck.
feanix
The book is legit. Orson Scott Card was wacky enough to have his own show about the deep state and pickling turnips but the book is legit.
chesterthegreat
I think he's a bit of an all purpose wackaloon at this point.
Honorius
He’s such a good writer though. His style is both poetic and concise. It’s just really satisfying to read. Plus, his characters are all over
Honorius
the place in terms of religious persuasions, with a lot of outright atheists. So, whatever his personal biases, his pen seems to lacks them.
notactuallyabrownman
It's pretty hard to claim racism and homophobia as 'religious beliefs' in 2020. I thought Ender's Game was a pretty average book anyway.
rbudrick
It really isn't.
Relaxaursphincta
If they're rooted on what they think their sky daddies approve or not, then the connection to religion can't be overstated.
JHawke
It's pretty easy to claim those as religious beliefs, as millions prove all the time. You and I disagreeing with them doesn't change it.
asmallcat
Ender's game is pretty good, every book after was boring and forgettable.
heavymetalmechanic
Did you read the series that followed Bean? I found it much more enjoyable.
asmallcat
I might have read the first one, I can't remember. I'd been burned by all the boring Ender books by that point.
MutePoliticalPosters
Yeah, it wasn't anything spectacular. But it was an easy to read book, which made it an excellent gateway to the world of scifi.
MutePoliticalPosters
I tried to read scifi several times before this book, and could never get into it, could never capture the vision the author was sharing.
MutePoliticalPosters
Ender's game didn't dwell on technical details, it was more focused on Ender's feelings of being alone, even in a crowded room. it was
MutePoliticalPosters
very relatable to me, personally, and it was the first scifi book I ever read through to the end. It opened the world of scifi to me.
midrealmknight
Not his religious beliefs; his financial support and advocacy of anti gay organizations seeking to overturn marriage equality.
gorillaClutch
Yeah I'll pick an author who doesn't advocate for violent rebellion against the government if they allow gay marriage.
RadicalLeftist
Sounds like he should have just fucked a dude.
justsome
I can't find anything that supports that statement.
midrealmknight
He was a board member of the National Organization for Marriage.
Rifneno
Odd. I googled "Orson Scott Card homophobe" and got tons of shit supporting that statement.
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Sassmachine
https://www.deseret.com/2008/7/24/20265302/orson-scott-card-state-job-is-not-to-redefine-marriage His words, reprinted.
Hereagain
https://www.salon.com/2013/05/07/sci_fi_icon_orson_scott_card_hates_fan_fiction_the_homosexual_agenda_partner/ this has quotes and sources /
ICheckUsernameAndSuch
I don't know about him working to overturn marriage equality but he was definitely opposed to it. I'll find some sauce on that if you want.
justsome
that was the part I was objecting to. I'm not denying he is opposed to gay marriage as a matter of his religious beliefs.
ICheckUsernameAndSuch
Yeah, that sounded a little suspect to me as well, considering he said the debate was moot after the supreme court decision.
Sassmachine
He was on the board of the National Organization For Marriage. Pretty sure that counts.
ICheckUsernameAndSuch
From what I'm reading he resigned from that position and called the argument moot after the Supreme court decision in 2013. So while he 1/2
palmo
I have an issue with enders game being an apologia for Hitler.
T3hClap
Did you read speaker for the dead?
iCANdoTHEwave
Probably tired of seeing Ender x Bean fanfiction
TheOneWhoWasLeft
...which are directly rooted in his religious beliefs.
tincoyote
The problem is that he wants to enforce *his* religious beliefs on others. And that makes him an asshat.
TheOneWhoWasLeft
That's is often the problem with religious beliefs. They demand to be enforced on others. It's inbuilt into religion. Super lovely.
BewareTheIceSpiders
Religion is no excuse to be an ass. This said, I can still appreciate the books.
TheOneWhoWasLeft
It's no excuse, but a reason. Sadly. I can also appreciate Card's books even though I wouldn't call them Sci-Fi, really.
midrealmknight
I appreciate Card’s books. Just cannot justify allowing him access to my cash for his purposes.
PangolinBan
Legal marriage has nothing to do with religion. Or rather, it shouldn't. It's esentially a contract between two people that formalizes a 1/2
TheOneWhoWasLeft
Pretty sure you didn't mean to write that comment to me. I said literally nothing about marriage.
PangolinBan
You said his financial support and advocacy of anti gay organizations seeking to overturn marriage equality is rooted in his religious 1/2
PangolinBan
1.5/2 bunch of non-religious stuff like tax benefits and next of kin and inheritances and whatnot. No religious reason whatsoever to not
PangolinBan
2/2 allow same-sex marriages.
aiuta219
As has been pointed out many times, Christ said nothing about gayness. It's just hate.
Sekai
Old Testament God was anti-gay (and a lot of other bad things) and Christ directly affirms OT as law. If you believe either.
TheOneWhoWasLeft
....which is directly rooted in people's religious beliefs.
MantisTobogganPilotMD
that doesn't seem to stop people from incorporating hatred into their religious beliefs, though.
CatsIsTheAnswer
Religious beliefs, not religious facts
aiuta219
That's one of those ideas like military intelligence or compassionate conservatism, right?
Chaxinitus
His personal belief, which he touts as religious then
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
I think you will find a surprising number of christians don't care for Christ's teachings and mostly like spewing their own shit.
CaptainKipup
Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality. I mean that still doesn’t matter if you don’t believe in it, just pointing that out in response.
TheOneWhoWasLeft
Bible is clear on pretty much nothing, which is why it caters to basically every type of person.
aiuta219
Leviticus is in the old Testament. Do you keep kosher or eat shrimp? Because those are also against the rules set in Leviticus.
TheGreatBlueHeron
Pretty sure that was all Paul, not Christ. Never understood why things didn't end with Christ. Why did this extra guy come along after him?
rwb813
You can hate people and not be religious. They use that as an excuse and most are curious or homosexual themselves.