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This vehicle came to my shop after not being serviced for a long time. It's written up for a new frame, new motor, and a transmission conversion.
Here's some boxes of new parts. This isn't even close to all of it.
First step is to unclip all the electric connections and drain the radiator.
The bottom of the engine and transmission.
Removed the old 700R trans. Will be replaced with a 180ps. Motor was locked up.
We use a plasma cutter to blast through the cement-coated aluminum cargo bed. We do this to get to a couple of body-mount bolts.
There's the little sumbitch right there.
Next I pull out all wires and set them to the side.
Rusted bumper bolts. I'm too old to wrestle these babies.
Cut the nut with a torch.
Brap-Brap the remaining part of the nut away with an air-chisel. ( that's an industry term).
I have an induction coil for heating up stubborn nuts.
After disconnecting a few more components the body can be lifted off of the damaged frame. Don't worry about a few Snap-crackle-pops as the body is raised.
Here she sits naked. These delivery trucks are the hardest working vehicles in showbiz. For 26 years this truck was used and abused. Now we will tear her down and build her back up.
Got her all set up and strapped down to a mid-rise lift. Not pictured : me dragging that heavy son-of-a-bitchin lift into place.
We'll just cut these pesky old leaf springs out of here.
Cut the brake cables and hose and roll the diff. out of there.
More fire. More cutting.
Now I remove the fuel tank. Of course it's frikkin full.
Rear of the frame stripped. Now on to the front end.
Rust and rot all over the rear of the frame did her in. Oh, the joys of living in the salt belt.
Stripped down the motor.
And now she's pretty much bare. I left on the old control arms avid coils. They will all be replaced.
Beautiful new frame. First step is to tap and thread all the holes, apply Copper anti-sieze where necessary, and grind paint away from spots that will be used as electrical grounds.
Oh baby. Nice shiny new red motor.
Just add parts! Now with the motor built I install the new transmission.
Other side of the 2.5 Iron Duke.
New control arms, shocks, coils, and other suspension components.
The steering set-up (gearbox, pump, tie-rods etc.) was in good shape so I reused that.
Almost ready for the body. Once the body mounts are in place I can lower it down.
Easy does it.
With the body back on I replace all the rear brake components. Once the wheels are back on you can't even tell I did anything to that truck at all. I do a lot of frame jobs but not usually with this many new parts. I was very happy with how this project turned out. Thanks for looking!
Cat Tax. This is Bosco. He didn't help at all.
IWasInThePool
AbsolutelyNotTheNSA
"Cut the nut with a torch"...not something you ever really want to hear.
VodkaReindeer
It's ok, he didn't hit the full fuel tank.
Ungu
How long did you take to finish it?
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Couple two threes
bigmob100
And to think I wanted to work at the city garage
Asteroidrules
So this is how you keep a truck running for 31 years, replace most of it.
Willshade145
Good old LLV’s. Drove one for 28 years.
WhatTheFucksALommy
Been driving one for 6 months now. Kinda love it more than my own car lol
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I hope you're enjoying your retirement!
Willshade145
I am! Thank you sir!
photog
Can the public buy one of these? I want to drop a Focus RS motor in it, make it awd and turn it into a tiny camper.
PulpyOJ
I kinda wish I could own an old postal Jeep DJ.
BatmansUnderPantsAreSoSoft
https://itstillruns.com/buy-postal-van-truck-5288689.html
BakinBaconBaked
Just know that they have many many problems before they are retired.
7thor8thcaw
Awesome, but I can't help but wonder why do so much ?
WartPig
yeah. seems like it was a total waste of time. probably cheaper to buy a new one... seeing as its all new
HG9909
Havent made the trucks since 94 as someone else said in a different comment
WartPig
havent been made since 94 yet able to order parts to build a whole new one minus the shell...
Peldie
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
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In so many words: "sunk cost". It really is more economical to keep fixing these trucks. There's a lot of layers to this onion.
ohwhereohwhereismyhairbrush
Man you went postal on that truck!
STTEAKK
Very nice work. I have the pleasure of working on the LLV and FFV at my current shop. Just did a LLV trans swap yesterday.
FredGarvinMaleProstitute
Why didn't you turn it into a camper ?
trigonman3
He already let us know the progress...
laboon
All of that is cheaper than a new vehicle?
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Yes. Cheaper, more durable, easier to repair, and more American than most modern vehicles.
petitemew
Brap brap. I don't know much about garages, but I know that sound!
flatearthvaxer
Great post, OP. Thanks!
rtdunn0417
However, I’m floored by your dedication to the project and sending good vibes. Keep us posted!
SandwichCombinatorics
What's the point of working so much on the frame if it's just going to be replaced anyway? Serious question.
ActionAndy
Most of the work he was doing was to remove things that were going to get reused.
SandwichCombinatorics
Thanks! Didn't know that :)
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This vehicle will be in service for a long time. When the new vehicles come, these old ones will go to rural areas.
MasterKhajiit
I have always been fascinated over the Grumman LLV's, thanks for this insight on the inners of one of these beauties!
tosomethisisarandomcollectionofletters
Theyre still making the old iron puke... That's the most surprising thing on this post.
kevoo118
Now come bring all your tools to my house, and we can rebuild my 92 yj.
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You can't afford me! :)
LCDC
Mail carriers should get more respect. These things are horrible. No ac and it's a metal box. The heater just blows dirt out
robotpanties
My brother in law works in Buffalo cold in these. Says he could write a metal album from his stories
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I believe it. Letter carriers are the most miserable, yet KINDEST people I interact with regularly.
bigmob100
I leave mail carriers DD gift cards in my mail box when it gets super cold
nerotep
DD?
bigmob100
Dunkin Donuts
WhatTheFucksALommy
Been working for USPS for 6 months now and yea they can be a pain but I love driving it. Can’t really explain it but it’s just fun.
Blecki
Can't beat the turning radius on these guys.
LCDC
Culdesacs don't stand a chance
Blecki
Culdesacs are spacious! These guys can do a uturn without leaving the lane.
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Literally un-matched
BluLuna
The heater broke my my mom's LLV yesterday. It was -8° F and she works on hilly country streets. 2wd doesn't cut it. Has to walk some roads.
LCDC
And still has to make it back on time. They don't like anyone getting overtime
BluLuna
Yep! Takes time. She's learning a new route after having the largest route for years. They'll call her back when she still has a ton to do
bandsyouveneverheardof
I thoroughly enjoyed this. Especially your tasteful use of the term “sumbitch”
skipweasel
Thanks from future you for using copper grease. It's a shame factories never use the stuff.
fastfire57
lOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE JOB SECURITY IN THIS JOB.
Jakethesnake357
Fucking love anti-seize
GottaAddCooling
Just don't use it on disc brake pistons when rebuilding calipers
Jakethesnake357
Actually don't ever use it on anything moving, just static parts that either rust, are bare metal or get real hot
newyorknyc
Explain
ChefJameBalls
It makes them easier to remove in the future if needed. Not always done that way on the assembly line.
Chocoladestarfish
It prevents cold welding
deadlypoetry
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SparkyShowers
Copper anti-seize helps to keep bolts from sticking when you need to loosen them in the future.
ExTechOp
Copper grease makes undoing rusted steel nuts and bolts possible, but it's no longer very popular because it promotes aluminium corrosion.
SelectUserNamefromUsersWherePassEqHash
Anti seize makes the fastener removable in the future
thelittletrainthatcanteven
Copper anti sieze makes it easier to undo nuts and bolts in the future. Has a really high heat rating and anti rust I believe.
RichardCraniumwasalreadytaken
Correct. I use it in many places including spark plug threads.
thelittletrainthatcanteven
I'm a plumber man we use it on all our bolt up and a lot of our pipping too.
sear3489
I use it when I rebuild valves in the oil field
skipweasel
Copper grease goes a long way to stop threads seizing, making it easier to dismantle in another 20+ years.
Polygrammar
Salt water causes a reaction that basically melts the aluminum wherever the copper grease makes contact. Its fallen out of style because-
Polygrammar
-of that but a lot of older mechanics swear by it regardless.
skipweasel
A good point, but in many cases you can avoid contact with anything which is a) aluminium and b) exposed to salt water.
Jakethesnake357
Serious question from a veteran mechanic, how well does that induction heater work? Is it worth the money to buy one?
Crushn8tor
They are amazing.
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Yes. They're great. They just came out with a new one called Venom. Half the price of the Mini Ductor II.
ActionAndy
As the owner of multiple rusty vehicles in the heart of "salt the roads until crops won't grow" country, I also want to know.
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
It's not as fast as an oxyacetylene torch, but it's great in areas where you can't use the torch. Drawback: it doesn't work on aluminum.
Jakethesnake357
Ah, I knew there had to be a drawback
urbestfox
Am I the only one that wants to see that made into a camper?
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I think about it all the time.
DonkeyGoat
Can't wait until they roll out the new trucks. These things should have been "sent to live on a farm" years ago
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I think they're great. Easy to work on. Very basic. Having unnecessary tech leads to more downtime.
DonkeyGoat
They're easy to work on because you've had plenty of practice. At my old station, I was constantly calling you guys to come get them.
Halfton81
Nah, they're easy to work on because they're ... easy to work on? Old GM stuff is super simple; my favorite shit to wrench on.
LordJollyton
Is this cheaper than simply buying a new one?
EggsMayhem
Wondering the same thing
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Buying a new one isn't simple. So yes.
CamiTheWitch
Considering they haven’t made them since 1994, I’d assume so, as making new trucks would require a new contract.
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It's in the works. 3 companies submitting bids. New trucks must be built in US in a new factory. Oshkosh is looking promising.
irowiki
Why a new factory?
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To waste money
Asteroidrules
The company that made them doesn't exist anymore.
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Chevrolet and Grumman?
TheeJarod
A 700r4 seems like way overkill for that dinky thing.
GreetingsBosmer
For as much miles and stress they put on these little guys, it makes sense to give it a quality transmission.
GutCassidyandtheSundanceCheeseburger
What kind of engines do these use? I've always been curious about who builds these.
UserSubHunterOfIndeterminateGender
They were all built back in the '50s-'70s or so by GM.
ChawkoMilk
im willing to bet you dont know what the fuck youre talking about
Rocket350
He's probably referring to "iron duke" mentioned earlier. They were 2.5s as well used by GM in the 60's. Mercruiser uses them in boats 1.
Rocket350
As the 3.0. Iron dukes were used in commercial stuff like fork lifts. But the engine above has plugs and a manifold on the left 2.
Rocket350
Side and the iron dukes the guy who "knows fucking nothing" has both intake and exhaust on left side & plugs on right. Simple confusion.
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These trucks were built between 87 and 94
Cozziechov
Any idea where I can find a used one? I've always wanted one
StephanSegull
Government auctions have them all the time. Search for retired USPS mail truck for sale
SomeDetroitGuy
Nope. Only sold to USPS.
StephanSegull
You can absolutely buy these. They just aren't new. Gov auctions have them all the time.
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It's a Pontiac 2.5 tbi. These trucks are chevy s10 chassis
Kazpur81S
I heard somewhere that the old mail trucks got 3 mpg.
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
Stop-and-go driving really hurts mileage. In the country where the houses are further apart they get much better fuel economy
IndefinetelyTired
It's a frickin S10 chassis? That's rad af.
HelloMyNameIsHuman
Good ol Iron Duke engine. Cast Iron block, pushrod 4 cylinder, durable as hell.
clutchthepearls
Had one in a Grand Am. Slow as dog turds. Tough as nails.
intashu
I thought these were relatively cheap to manufacture, how much money was saved doing this much replacement over a new vehicle??
Asteroidrules
Company that made them has now been out of business for most of these things' service life. Getting a new one is kinda impossible.
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They weren't cheap to manufacture. The aluminum bodies were a big investment
intashu
I have no clue, it's why I'm asking. Seems surprising they basically rebuilt the truck to save the body. (and the few good odds and ends)
intashu
They basically built a new truck at that point. Normally I thought that's more expensive.
Blecki
The bodies last forever, the rest doesn't.
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I'm glad you asked! The cost of this project was drastically less than buying a similarly- capable vehicle.
Skawomplious
Ok, so what's special about this mail Jeep? That seems like a lot of effort when you can find better specimens at auction.
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Lol No you can't. How many right hand drive trucks do you see at auction every day?
Skawomplious
I swear I've seen a couple the past several times I've been on govauction.com. I don't see any now tho, so maybe you're right.
Blecki
The only right hand drive trucks I ever see at auction are in the UK. Or are already LLVs. Nobody who hasn't driven one understands...
Crushn8tor
RHD Jeep Cherokees are allowed to be imported from the UK for US rural mail carrier use.
tabasco225
Right hand drive Jeeps can be purchased in the US, since they're made here and all...
Crushn8tor
Sure, but sometimes it's cheaper to buy a used one with lower miles from across the pond for rural carriers. Unless you've got discounts.
Blecki
Yep and rural mail carriers spend a lot of money for them, but they don't have nearly enough cargo space.
Crushn8tor
Right, but you can get them with 4wd which is important and necessary in some areas.