We can rebuild it!

Jan 7, 2018 2:38 PM

This vehicle came to my shop after not being serviced for a long time. It's written up for a new frame, new motor, and a transmission conversion.

Here's some boxes of new parts. This isn't even close to all of it.

First step is to unclip all the electric connections and drain the radiator.

The bottom of the engine and transmission.

Removed the old 700R trans. Will be replaced with a 180ps. Motor was locked up.

We use a plasma cutter to blast through the cement-coated aluminum cargo bed. We do this to get to a couple of body-mount bolts.

There's the little sumbitch right there.

Next I pull out all wires and set them to the side.

Rusted bumper bolts. I'm too old to wrestle these babies.

Cut the nut with a torch.

Brap-Brap the remaining part of the nut away with an air-chisel. ( that's an industry term).

I have an induction coil for heating up stubborn nuts.

After disconnecting a few more components the body can be lifted off of the damaged frame. Don't worry about a few Snap-crackle-pops as the body is raised.

Here she sits naked. These delivery trucks are the hardest working vehicles in showbiz. For 26 years this truck was used and abused. Now we will tear her down and build her back up.

Got her all set up and strapped down to a mid-rise lift. Not pictured : me dragging that heavy son-of-a-bitchin lift into place.

We'll just cut these pesky old leaf springs out of here.

Cut the brake cables and hose and roll the diff. out of there.

More fire. More cutting.

Now I remove the fuel tank. Of course it's frikkin full.

Rear of the frame stripped. Now on to the front end.

Rust and rot all over the rear of the frame did her in. Oh, the joys of living in the salt belt.

Stripped down the motor.

And now she's pretty much bare. I left on the old control arms avid coils. They will all be replaced.

Beautiful new frame. First step is to tap and thread all the holes, apply Copper anti-sieze where necessary, and grind paint away from spots that will be used as electrical grounds.

Oh baby. Nice shiny new red motor.

Just add parts! Now with the motor built I install the new transmission.

Other side of the 2.5 Iron Duke.

New control arms, shocks, coils, and other suspension components.

The steering set-up (gearbox, pump, tie-rods etc.) was in good shape so I reused that.

Almost ready for the body. Once the body mounts are in place I can lower it down.

Easy does it.

With the body back on I replace all the rear brake components. Once the wheels are back on you can't even tell I did anything to that truck at all. I do a lot of frame jobs but not usually with this many new parts. I was very happy with how this project turned out. Thanks for looking!

Cat Tax. This is Bosco. He didn't help at all.

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8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

"Cut the nut with a torch"...not something you ever really want to hear.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

It's ok, he didn't hit the full fuel tank.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

How long did you take to finish it?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Couple two threes

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And to think I wanted to work at the city garage

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

So this is how you keep a truck running for 31 years, replace most of it.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Good old LLV’s. Drove one for 28 years.

8 years ago | Likes 103 Dislikes 0

Been driving one for 6 months now. Kinda love it more than my own car lol

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

I hope you're enjoying your retirement!

8 years ago | Likes 55 Dislikes 0

I am! Thank you sir!

8 years ago | Likes 39 Dislikes 0

Can the public buy one of these? I want to drop a Focus RS motor in it, make it awd and turn it into a tiny camper.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

I kinda wish I could own an old postal Jeep DJ.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Just know that they have many many problems before they are retired.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Awesome, but I can't help but wonder why do so much ?

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

yeah. seems like it was a total waste of time. probably cheaper to buy a new one... seeing as its all new

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

Havent made the trucks since 94 as someone else said in a different comment

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

havent been made since 94 yet able to order parts to build a whole new one minus the shell...

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

In so many words: "sunk cost". It really is more economical to keep fixing these trucks. There's a lot of layers to this onion.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Man you went postal on that truck!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Very nice work. I have the pleasure of working on the LLV and FFV at my current shop. Just did a LLV trans swap yesterday.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Why didn't you turn it into a camper ?

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

He already let us know the progress...

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

All of that is cheaper than a new vehicle?

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yes. Cheaper, more durable, easier to repair, and more American than most modern vehicles.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Brap brap. I don't know much about garages, but I know that sound!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Great post, OP. Thanks!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

However, I’m floored by your dedication to the project and sending good vibes. Keep us posted!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

What's the point of working so much on the frame if it's just going to be replaced anyway? Serious question.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Most of the work he was doing was to remove things that were going to get reused.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Thanks! Didn't know that :)

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This vehicle will be in service for a long time. When the new vehicles come, these old ones will go to rural areas.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I have always been fascinated over the Grumman LLV's, thanks for this insight on the inners of one of these beauties!

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Theyre still making the old iron puke... That's the most surprising thing on this post.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Now come bring all your tools to my house, and we can rebuild my 92 yj.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

You can't afford me! :)

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Mail carriers should get more respect. These things are horrible. No ac and it's a metal box. The heater just blows dirt out

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

My brother in law works in Buffalo cold in these. Says he could write a metal album from his stories

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I believe it. Letter carriers are the most miserable, yet KINDEST people I interact with regularly.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I leave mail carriers DD gift cards in my mail box when it gets super cold

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

DD?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Dunkin Donuts

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Been working for USPS for 6 months now and yea they can be a pain but I love driving it. Can’t really explain it but it’s just fun.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Can't beat the turning radius on these guys.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Culdesacs don't stand a chance

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Culdesacs are spacious! These guys can do a uturn without leaving the lane.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Literally un-matched

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The heater broke my my mom's LLV yesterday. It was -8° F and she works on hilly country streets. 2wd doesn't cut it. Has to walk some roads.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

And still has to make it back on time. They don't like anyone getting overtime

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yep! Takes time. She's learning a new route after having the largest route for years. They'll call her back when she still has a ton to do

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I thoroughly enjoyed this. Especially your tasteful use of the term “sumbitch”

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Thanks from future you for using copper grease. It's a shame factories never use the stuff.

8 years ago | Likes 247 Dislikes 0

lOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE JOB SECURITY IN THIS JOB.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Fucking love anti-seize

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Just don't use it on disc brake pistons when rebuilding calipers

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Actually don't ever use it on anything moving, just static parts that either rust, are bare metal or get real hot

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Explain

8 years ago | Likes 55 Dislikes 0

It makes them easier to remove in the future if needed. Not always done that way on the assembly line.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It prevents cold welding

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

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8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Copper anti-seize helps to keep bolts from sticking when you need to loosen them in the future.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Copper grease makes undoing rusted steel nuts and bolts possible, but it's no longer very popular because it promotes aluminium corrosion.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Anti seize makes the fastener removable in the future

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Copper anti sieze makes it easier to undo nuts and bolts in the future. Has a really high heat rating and anti rust I believe.

8 years ago | Likes 76 Dislikes 0

Correct. I use it in many places including spark plug threads.

8 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 0

I'm a plumber man we use it on all our bolt up and a lot of our pipping too.

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

I use it when I rebuild valves in the oil field

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Copper grease goes a long way to stop threads seizing, making it easier to dismantle in another 20+ years.

8 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

Salt water causes a reaction that basically melts the aluminum wherever the copper grease makes contact. Its fallen out of style because-

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

-of that but a lot of older mechanics swear by it regardless.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

A good point, but in many cases you can avoid contact with anything which is a) aluminium and b) exposed to salt water.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Serious question from a veteran mechanic, how well does that induction heater work? Is it worth the money to buy one?

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

They are amazing.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes. They're great. They just came out with a new one called Venom. Half the price of the Mini Ductor II.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

As the owner of multiple rusty vehicles in the heart of "salt the roads until crops won't grow" country, I also want to know.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It's not as fast as an oxyacetylene torch, but it's great in areas where you can't use the torch. Drawback: it doesn't work on aluminum.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ah, I knew there had to be a drawback

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Am I the only one that wants to see that made into a camper?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I think about it all the time.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Can't wait until they roll out the new trucks. These things should have been "sent to live on a farm" years ago

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

I think they're great. Easy to work on. Very basic. Having unnecessary tech leads to more downtime.

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

They're easy to work on because you've had plenty of practice. At my old station, I was constantly calling you guys to come get them.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Nah, they're easy to work on because they're ... easy to work on? Old GM stuff is super simple; my favorite shit to wrench on.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Is this cheaper than simply buying a new one?

8 years ago | Likes 56 Dislikes 0

Wondering the same thing

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Buying a new one isn't simple. So yes.

8 years ago | Likes 43 Dislikes 0

Considering they haven’t made them since 1994, I’d assume so, as making new trucks would require a new contract.

8 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 0

It's in the works. 3 companies submitting bids. New trucks must be built in US in a new factory. Oshkosh is looking promising.

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Why a new factory?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

To waste money

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The company that made them doesn't exist anymore.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Chevrolet and Grumman?

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

A 700r4 seems like way overkill for that dinky thing.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

For as much miles and stress they put on these little guys, it makes sense to give it a quality transmission.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What kind of engines do these use? I've always been curious about who builds these.

8 years ago | Likes 45 Dislikes 0

They were all built back in the '50s-'70s or so by GM.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 50

im willing to bet you dont know what the fuck youre talking about

8 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 3

He's probably referring to "iron duke" mentioned earlier. They were 2.5s as well used by GM in the 60's. Mercruiser uses them in boats 1.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

As the 3.0. Iron dukes were used in commercial stuff like fork lifts. But the engine above has plugs and a manifold on the left 2.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Side and the iron dukes the guy who "knows fucking nothing" has both intake and exhaust on left side & plugs on right. Simple confusion.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

These trucks were built between 87 and 94

8 years ago | Likes 44 Dislikes 0

Any idea where I can find a used one? I've always wanted one

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Government auctions have them all the time. Search for retired USPS mail truck for sale

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Nope. Only sold to USPS.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 24

You can absolutely buy these. They just aren't new. Gov auctions have them all the time.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

It's a Pontiac 2.5 tbi. These trucks are chevy s10 chassis

8 years ago | Likes 64 Dislikes 0

I heard somewhere that the old mail trucks got 3 mpg.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Stop-and-go driving really hurts mileage. In the country where the houses are further apart they get much better fuel economy

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It's a frickin S10 chassis? That's rad af.

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Good ol Iron Duke engine. Cast Iron block, pushrod 4 cylinder, durable as hell.

8 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 0

Had one in a Grand Am. Slow as dog turds. Tough as nails.

8 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

I thought these were relatively cheap to manufacture, how much money was saved doing this much replacement over a new vehicle??

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Company that made them has now been out of business for most of these things' service life. Getting a new one is kinda impossible.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

They weren't cheap to manufacture. The aluminum bodies were a big investment

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I have no clue, it's why I'm asking. Seems surprising they basically rebuilt the truck to save the body. (and the few good odds and ends)

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They basically built a new truck at that point. Normally I thought that's more expensive.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The bodies last forever, the rest doesn't.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm glad you asked! The cost of this project was drastically less than buying a similarly- capable vehicle.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ok, so what's special about this mail Jeep? That seems like a lot of effort when you can find better specimens at auction.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Lol No you can't. How many right hand drive trucks do you see at auction every day?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I swear I've seen a couple the past several times I've been on govauction.com. I don't see any now tho, so maybe you're right.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The only right hand drive trucks I ever see at auction are in the UK. Or are already LLVs. Nobody who hasn't driven one understands...

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

RHD Jeep Cherokees are allowed to be imported from the UK for US rural mail carrier use.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Right hand drive Jeeps can be purchased in the US, since they're made here and all...

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Sure, but sometimes it's cheaper to buy a used one with lower miles from across the pond for rural carriers. Unless you've got discounts.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yep and rural mail carriers spend a lot of money for them, but they don't have nearly enough cargo space.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Right, but you can get them with 4wd which is important and necessary in some areas.

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