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Not all heroes wear capes. Stanford Oncologist Ronald Levy
Mar 28, 2018 3:25 AM
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Not all heroes wear capes. Stanford Oncologist Ronald Levy
Wankathon
I get it, if they label it vaccine the morons won't use it and thus we eliminate their terrible genetics. Clever
bacchuss
You all keeping saying zombies but I say deadpool
Draciella
This dude played resident evil and thought "huh, that could work" itchy tasty
hazelnuts4peace
Targeted chemical therapy (gleevek) saved my husband from CMML . This is the next step. science saves lives!
Sturmgeschutz
"works in mice" doesnt really mean anything. Lots of cancer cures have worked in mice.
TopCommenter
The fact that this one has proven itself enough to warrant a human trial is good news. Most things that "work in mice" don't get that far.
JeffreyDeTar
Wish this was available sooner, my brother was just diagnosed with colon cancer. One day that won't sound so ominous.
BeesKneesJohanson
T-cell, T-virus, I’m not saying there’s acorrelation...buuuut....this is how it all starts.
batlrar
A chance between a cure for cancer and a zombie apocalypse? ... Talk about win-win!
newdoug2017
TheManWithTheSevenScars
MCSch0ck
-sigh- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvJHq2FJPDM
WeaponizedJerk
Fuck cancer.
sailorparkboy
my mom needed this 15 years ago. :(
DemonOfPyro
Mine did too in 2013; however, think optimistically, less people will have to share that pain.
sailorparkboy
i really hope that this works and you are right. cancer does so much damage to everyone involved.
KarmicBee
Sorry for your loss
drone7
MetaVulture
Was going to post this, you beat me, but god dammit do I feel excited for this. I want to see Cancer ended in my lifetime.
drone7
ExplainMeThis
Immunology is a hot field now in cancer treatment, the main issues with these forms of treatment is adverse immunological responses.
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
^this. Not to mention they're often incredibly expensive and difficult to manufacture
RetardVillain
Can mice have breast cancer? Seems so.
cousteau
Well they're mammals so maybe?
JelloPutinPops
Only if it’s a titmouse.
Falanxzealot
Are you in some way suggesting female mice don't have mammary tissue, despite bing mammals?
cousteau
Mammary tissue, also known as "titsue" for short.
Falanxzealot
Two cymbals and a snare fall off a cliff
kidafrika2020
But what's the use of getting rid of cancer if it gives you autism?
PureRok
To be fair, I'd rather live with autism than die from cancer.
SitusInversus
It'd be great if this scientific report could cover the name of the immunotherapy and of its target.
Nolurkeranymore
Good news! I hope no one steal it and sell it for millions to peopel....
Woodeus
This is exactly how resident evil started...
vondruke
There are always a new "promising vaccine around the corner" unfortunately these rarely pass much further after mice trials.
Camelspotting
What? Immunotherapy is already in use.
navtrondelta
These almost never go to human trials let alone mice trials.... the fact that this is making it's way to human clinical trials is huge.
NERDRAGEohacat
There's also how long it takes for the information to disseminate even after the trial is completed. A clinical trial by Volter Longo on 1/2
NERDRAGEohacat
reducing toxicity of chemotherapy with fasting was completed over two years ago with great results, but hardly anyone knows about it. 2/2
shinagami091
Imagine getting to be the person who actually cured cancer. They would be at the top of the history books in medicine.
Obijesus
Not if some dick head pharma bussiness assassinated them first
GentlemanWendigo
Are there really people out there who have killed people trying to make progress just so they can make money off of peoples suffering?
MasterGed
Just waiting for his inevitable "suicide"
xoommoox
And then... To make it affordable.
NotAgainRichard
you really think your medicine costs what you pay for it? You're being overcharged a lot.
Owlberightback
A lot is an understatement
8serene8
I hope it’s real. A cure to all cancer would be great
SushiPooper
Even if it is real it is not a cure it’s a treatment. It just makes the tumors regress; it doesn’t fix the damaged genes that caused it
DarkUranium
You'd have to get rid of YouTube comments first.
ASongOfPissAndFarts
You know how many mechanisms for the various types of cancer there are? A shit ton.
supersomatic
The first step to immortality
shivnz
i know ill get downvoted to hell, but curing these kinds of diseases will cause massive population problems down the road..
andreik
We'll finally need us some death panels!
TheDesignatedDrunk
The full article has a quote by the lead prof saying that the treatment doesn’t work on all types of cancer.
DoesntMatterHadSnuSnu
Surely if you get a T cell cancer this would make it worse
ohboyohboyohboy
Even finding a cure for some previously incurable cancer is progress, though.
SnoBored
A cure for cancer is a figment of the collective imagination. You can cure specific cancers or even multiple but nothing is effective at
Spankywylde
failurez
So, to counter the nano-machines there will be a new kind of nano-cancer...
SnoBored
Curing all cancers. They are just so different in nature that it cant be simplified like that
PeteButtigieg
Eh, you’ve never been to Wakanda.
jschneider4067
People also said it would be impossible to get to the moon. Impossible to do open heart surgery etc. Give it another 50 years.
plebianmaximus
People also said that hillary would win, but lets just say that this isn't how you compare things.
Robvp
Apples to oranges, there are many different types of cancers, creating a single solution for all of them is pretty much impossible
plebianmaximus
People also voted for Hitler.
shitposter98
He was charismatic and people didn’t originally know what he was really going to do
cousteau
What about a cure for virus?
meatwadsbro1
There are cures for certain viruses, but the life cycles of different viruses vary so much that most meds need to be virus specific
aleafonthewind
Cool news, but that is a completely inappropriate use of the word vaccine.
Kazpur81S
He’d better check his car brakes.
DrLongSchlongius
You all realize that the wealthiest people in the world suffer from cancer too, right? I doubt many would risk a life of cancer for cash..
trumpypumpyinyourrumpy
Pump the brakes kid
Kellieface
And also make sure he doesn’t commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head twice
Lobuttomize
Because a vaccine everyone on the planet would want wouldn't make money
tpanyS
Vaccine's are usually cures, cures don't have long-term impact, 'treatments' are long term, long term makes mega bucks.
sircowdog
At the same time, Cancer isn't a disease. It will continue to pop up, so there will be a steady stream of money for "curing" it.
tpanyS
That's somewhat inaccurate. It's not that cancer -isn't- a disease, it's a grouping of different diseases, but there's a fundamental (1/?)
tpanyS
pattern to most cancers that if figured out could be treated, no different than chemotherapy is effective against most types of cancer (2/2)
UncleMcGrandpa
lurkeylurkeychickenturkey
He may mysteriously disappear
Thraey
Sudden heart attack
Obijesus
Suicide, two shots to the back of the head
meatsweats
Uberdude100
Im hopeful, but I'm also pessimistic about the Healthcare industry as a whole in the US. money speaks louder than tears.
Camelspotting
Immunotherapy is currently available and is very expensive.
NotAgainRichard
Its not very expensive, your healthcare system overcharges you by a lot.
Saustino
Huh weird because last time I checked America’s health care is leading the world. Maybe it’s the healthcare insurance your thinking of?
surfay
The US expends a lot more on health and its health care system is ranked below average. So there is that.
Kamasu0Tra
I'd like to see an example of something that that the US has regulated that would otherwise be a massive life saver. I hear a lot of people
Kamasu0Tra
bitching and complaining about how the American healthcare system has fixxed X or Y problem, and yet, never any evidence for it.
Obijesus
Cure makes less money than long, ongoing, expensive tratment. Why would they fix a system that works in their favor? Follow the money
Kamasu0Tra
Not what I was asking, but I'll humor you. Give me an example of something that could be cured in a one shot procedure that the US has
Kamasu0Tra
instead turned into a multiprocedure cash cow operation. No nebulous "follow the money", give me some hard examples.
HelloIAmAnInnocentBystander
theantipole
Hahaha
TheDude86
I wish main stream media covered stories like this, too much doom and gloom these days.
Scuttlebutte
Read the book A State of Fear by Michael Crichton. It explains that keeping a society afraid is the best way to control them/1
Scuttlebutte
2/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Fear
libaf
Not much to cover yet. Besides, mainstream media doesn't have the best track record in covering advances in research.
Dragondraikk
Hard to sensationalize research when CELEBRITY A LEFT CELEBRITY B, SO SCANDALOUS!
libaf
There was that bit about space changing an astronaut's dna, when it didn't actually happen. :P This will make news if it proves effective.
RepostFromLastWeek
Is CNN not main stream? https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/21/health/cancer-vaccines-explainer/index.html
digiorno88
Ya but will they get autism from it?
lurker314
Since this is a "vaccine", I expect that they will only get "autism".
cousteau
I hope they find the vaccine against autism.
onethreethreefour
No question about it.
FilthyRaider
Great news but there was a Zombie film where this was the starting point where it all kicked off, wasn't there?
BrainstormsBriefcase
The premise there was that it was a viral cure, so it could spread to those without cancer, which is what caused the mutations.
Perretelover
Dude... An INFECTED movie.
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SaturnineCult
Hollywood said NO to that for like 3 times already. (Ok, can't remembet the 60's movie that well).
DatDarthCaedus
The book Plague Year had clouds of self-replicating nanobots that were supposed to cure cancer but instead just ate all flesh it got to.
FilthyRaider
Just remembered it was I Am Legend
JustSomeRandomMan
i remember it a cure for cancer as well.
ryanjoseph666
malachilenomade
And is that guy from the CDC still missing? That's basically how The Stand started.
Pancokoum
I mean.. T-cells? not far from the T-virus!
TaviRus
That was a virus that targeted cancer cells. This is different
Samoht
I'm just gonna hope it was good efforts in the movie writers research and not a sign of the apocalypse.
vondruke
... yes. And?
magimilan
Shhhh this is Donald Trump's plan for the human race don't blurt it out
luckycatnutcracker
Iamabananaaa
Resident evil
ShuttleToVenus
I think you where thinking about T Virus cause they're talking about T cells
FilthyRaider
Nope, it was I Am Legend.
PixelZedX
I mean T cells....T virus....
Iamabananaaa
Could have thought it was that. My bad
FilthyRaider
It was trying to remember who played the scientist that created it - Emma Thompson.
IThinkYouGotAFineBrainJack
If we are going to halt research every time there was a zombie movie with the same premise, then we will NEVER HAVE GOD DAMN ZOMBIES!
redfivestandingbye
Seriously. Let’s just go ahead and kick this bitch off so I don’t have to pay bills anymore.
ialwaysexpectthespanishinqusition
but what about deadspace where we don't need to research the markers some already exist.
SavageHoax
Dont worry, ol'musky will make us whole again!
Elonth
it happened in a movie so its 99% chance its going to happen i real life?! lets freak out!
TheZade
So if they put the "vaccine" in quotes, they can use it to describe something that is in no way whatsoever anything remotely like a vaccine?
cousteau
Isn't "vaccine" a "thing they inject you that cures you"? Like the, um, vaccine against dehydration. OK I have no idea of medicine.
BigPharma
Shhhhhh... Keep your "facts" and "logic" to yourself
Camelspotting
It's similar to how a vaccine works.
UncleMeaty
Yes. They can use it to describe anything. I ate a "vaccine" sandwich for lunch yesterday.
DadJokesAreAlwaysFunny
Perhaps because it clearly is not a vaccine?
nihiltres
I mean, if you understand the science, it's not like a vaccine. If you ELI5, then both teach the immune system to fight a disease.
TheDesignatedDrunk
Science reporting is unfortunately often somewhat sketchy when it comes to descriptions like that. Dunno why they didn’t just say treatment
lurker314
Vaccines train immune systems to respond to disease-related antigens. At that level, sure. But so much not.
Bakewelltart
Because it works in the same way as a vaccine - priming the immune system to attack the invading cells.
dangerousDoc
Well the results are like a typical vaccine -teaching your body to fight a threat- but the actual method is unique
FliesByNight
Such a good point - if it eliminates cancer, will the anti-vaxxers be on board?
Orion1030
What is this, Vaccine-gate?
drakewarnock
I think they do that so people who don't understand the technical differences still know what it is
NotPapaEmeritus
The researcher never called it a vaccine, it's likely reporters using a common term in order to retain audience
theyar
Well, it's an injection, and it prevents cancer you don't even have yet (sort of), so I can see the lay appeal.
SteveNotSteve
The reporter is just trying to use familiar terms so that people understand the story.
Relgap
They're just putting it in layman's terms so the average reader can comprehend it better
BrainFrogz
Maybe if they call it a "vaccine" all the aunti-vaccers will.. all live a long and happy life
GNag
That's actually clever, then anti vaxxers can "vaccinate" their kids without worrying about vaccinating their kids +1
elhopaness
Hello doctor, we're here for the *wink* "vaccine" *wink* *wink* *wink*
codenameRadical
It's an injection intended to result in the immune system identifying a target and acting against it. In that sense, vaccine.
codenameRadical
It doesn't contain the thing it's identifying in any form, however, which is where the quotes probably come from.
codenameRadical
In the final sense, in which immunity is maintained going forward, it fails the test entirely.
SushiPooper
They misused a lot of really important words that really make me question their knowledge on the topic (ex: cure, vaccine, identical tumor)
dnebdal
Therapeutic vaccines are genuinely a thing: Teaching the immune system to help after you're already sick is sometimes useful.
Showmeyourotters
To me this looks like a news article. They probably oversimplified for the sake of communicating to a public that doesn't understand many
Showmeyourotters
sciency words. As long as this isn't directly from the actual research article I'm not too worried about it tbh
SushiPooper
Yea that’s what I was thinking; it’s just using the word cure synonymously with treatment bugs me a lot, especially directed at the public.
Showmeyourotters
That's fair; you can treat something without curing it. Curing implies it's gone for good, while treatments may not even be successful.
dnebdal
Actually, here's a relevant article from some people at work: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2162402X.2015.1014773
SushiPooper
Thank you!
pointsForNothing
You convert a Tumor cell into a fighter against it's siblings, so you create a vaccine against your type of tumor directly in your body.
bomboy23
Sounds reactive instead of proactive
cousteau
I'm so out of the state of the art of everything that I have no idea if those terms describe the vaccine or the article.
dnebdal
The idea is to teach the immune system to recognize markers on your cancer cells, which both is and isn't like a vaccine. :)
TheThingsTheyCarried
Antidote? Cure? Treatment? But not a vaccine.
TheDesignatedDrunk
Should just be treatment here.
HOOMANGUY
rabies vaccine also works reactive.
TheRockDude
partially true. reactive treatment for rabies includes both vaccine and additional passive antibodies, so the vaccine alone is insufficient