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alwayssafeforwork
Waaaaaa, says disney, soaking their tears in thier money.
Ry1415
I'm so glad this was made! I've been saying literally this exact same thing since the movie came out! The reused plot was so disappointing
CliveBarkersMysteryHole
Kylo Ren is like one of those douches who wears glasses without lenses because he likes the look. Vader needed that to live you putz!
Valaar
Woah Woah, looks like you didn't watch the movie carefully: the giant round weapon is MUCH BIGGER than the death star. Complete game changer
considerthis
I heard they were going to call it the Stardeath but they went with Starkiller,to be original.
VanillaCokeForTheWin
Very true! The plots of the movies can't possibly be compared with such difference in weapon size!! :D
EdemahRuh
And the superweapon was such an important part of the story development in this film. Pretty much the only interesting thing that happened.
Killrapture
This was supposed to be "ok guys see we can do Star Wars right, now we can go in different directions"
BHObiWanKendoobie
EXACTLY! I went in skeptical, left feeling the franchise was in good hands.
SafetyWank
THANK YOU, this was so fucking heavy-handed it was like being beaten with a brick. Actually hurt the film for me somewhat at first.
lilmookie
I'm not getting how people aren't understanding this.
biw3199
this is just some stupid fan rationalization. a good, original story would have done just as well.
lilmookie
No, really, it wouldn't have. If you buy a franchise for 4 billion you don't take risks like that. You make the first one solid and then 1/2
lilmookie
2/2 you can branch out into a solid story. People shit over the color of light sabers. You think "original story" is going to work?
lilmookie
At least not for the first one. Another prequel quality movie would destroy the franchise. Blame lucas for selling it to disney.
biw3199
yes, because it doesn't have to be completely foreign. it also doesn't have to be a re-write of episode 4. 8/9 will be just as unoriginal 1)
biw3199
as 7 and people will be on here saying, oh wait for 10/11/12, THEN they can branch out instead of doing whatever it takes to make money
lilmookie
It's like you're forgetting Death Star 2 and Ewoks. This has always been about money. Of course it's going to follow the same general path.
lilmookie
Disney is the king of formulation. If you want an original starwars story, that's what the awful fanfic is for.
AMereCitizen
Okay but I already saw it and liked it. what do you want from me
SheWhoPostsScience
It's popular and a good film. CLEARLY WE MUST NOW HATE, SEARCH YOUR FEELINGS! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
mcof
Don't buy the Star Wars Cheezits and limit yourself to two chest-high Vader figures. I feel that would be a fair compromise.
ProfessionalMemer
He wants you to stop liking it! DO IT
corneliusgansevoort
Well he can fuck himself with a lightsaber if that's the case.
qolume
ford372
JUST DO IT!
ikindacarebutimostlydont
I was fine with the prequels being different, even if they didn't turn out amazing. At least I was seeing something new.
fartharder
White text w/ black outline works on all backgrounds.
Xenarion
So basically, Star Wars is a rip off of Star Wars?
whybother
Actually the galactic government in this instance would be the Republic, and the first order would be the insurrectionist group
charliefunkie
Yes I know but I liked it anyway.
SheWhoPostsScience
Agreed, for me the new characters were also just excellent.
OSCgal
IKR? Blatant enough that it let me focus on the differences/twists, which I really enjoyed. The Wise Old Mentor is Han? Awesome!
imNotChrisPratt
Really excellent way of putting it
Sauroctonus
I don't remember Star Wars ever being intended as a spectacular piece of writing, it's supposed to be a mythical adventure in space.
imNotChrisPratt
It's called Star Wars for fucks sake. We're people wanting Shakespeare? It's pretty damn amazing for a space saga
Sauroctonus
Exactly!
ominousdusk
Yes we all noticed it. I thought it was done on purpose. Kind of like a "full circle history repeats itself" type thing
SafetyWank
It's really just JJ Abrams playing it way too safe and trying to demonstrate that he can make Star Wars.
ominousdusk
yeah i thought that too but I was hoping it wasnt that.
ThePandagator
Sadly, there is even more parallels than this person points out. Really thought JJ Abrams would make a better movie full of new stuff.
JustSaiyanIsAll
He already made a new Star Wars movie. It was called Star Trek.
imNotChrisPratt
It's SUPPOSED to mirror the original. That was the whole idea. Lucas has always said that Star Wars is like poetry. "It rhymes"
EdemahRuh
"I create themes,” [Lucas] told Entertainment Weekly in 2002, “and I repeat those themes, in different chords and different arrangements."
ScoreQuest
He may have gone too far in a few places
Remember6aby
Now Lucas says Star Wars is like an ex-girlfriend.
xrufus7x
And a slave.
Scipio1770
I think a lot of people, myself included, expected something new. A third death star just felt lame, we all knew what was going to happen.
imNotChrisPratt
Okay, the third Death Star was a bit much. On that point I agree
Shaggers
Thank you. I've been so exasperated with all the people shouting about it being the same.
BlaaahBlahBlaaahBlahBlaaah
It's a pile of unoriginal shit.
imNotChrisPratt
And what would you have done exactly?
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imNotChrisPratt
They're not repeats, it just has narrative similarities. It's Star Wars. If you wanted Citizen Kane, watch a different movie
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imNotChrisPratt
A) There's really no franchise to compare it to. So don't know what you mean. B) WTF do you mean? When they don't repeat they're criticized?
EdemahRuh
People complaining like this seem to forget that the SW universe is going to get the Marvel treatment from Disney.
Rabh
i hate sand
qolume
It's coarse and rough and irritating. And gets everywhere.
billymadison76
Yeah, though if you're rhyming with the same word, it's not quite creative.
imNotChrisPratt
Not the same, just similar. If you thought they were the same, you weren't paying attention
EdemahRuh
Exactly, that's the nature of story. Recurring themes, symmetry. Heck, I'm pretty sure that's considered good literary device.
imNotChrisPratt
Someone gets it at least
cpstacy
There's a difference between mirroring a story thematically and telling it again verbatim but passing it off as new
imNotChrisPratt
Yeah, Abrams did the former, not the latter.
EdemahRuh
Did our new force user learn the ways from an old Jedi? Did she single-handedly use Force to destroy the superweapon? Themes, not verbatim.
imNotChrisPratt
Exactly!
EdemahRuh
Just like all the films begin with a shot in space of a planet and a big ship, and end in a scene with no dialog.
biw3199
slightly rewriting a story for the sequel is considered good literary device?
imNotChrisPratt
A little more than slightly
EdemahRuh
biw3199
heck, i'm pretty sure i've just never heard that anywhere before.
EdemahRuh
I don't see it as a rewrite. There are familiar elements, but it is in no way a point for point remake of anything. Lucas intentionally...
donotbeafraid
Yes, thank you, I've been trying to tell all my friends this. I feel insane seeming like the only one who understands it.
biw3199
so you're going to be excited when 8 and 9 are just this same story told again and again?
donotbeafraid
Don't know if downvoted b/c my opinion was dumb(which is fine), but sorry if I came off rude, I was only trying to match your sardonic tone!
donotbeafraid
But to answer your unrelated question, if the next 2 are as similar but with unique deviations as TFA, yes, I will be excited for them.
donotbeafraid
That's not what I typed at all. All I said was I understand why it mirrors the original and am not perturbed by it.
022981
I doubt they will be. VII needed to have the same things in it to revive the SW magic and convince fans that is was legit.
biw3199
or could you actually enjoy an original story in the SW universe that was well written, acted, and produced
biw3199
the mental gymnastics people are doing is hilarious. did you personally need the story to be almost copied to "revive the SW magic"?
022981
I'm sorry that basic thought process qualifies as "mental gymnastics" for you.
Luthlet
It's almost as if they did this... intentionally?!
bitemark
A New Hope is a simple "hero's journey" that's been done a thousand times before. Just presented in a new format. The same people pointing/1
bitemark
this out are the same people who point out that every episode of House has the same plot. They're missing what was different.
JohnathanJacobJinglySchmidt
Right? Its like the cyclical nature involving sins of the father is important to the Star Wars series or something
BlaaahBlahBlaaahBlahBlaaah
It shouldn't be its fucking awful.
BHObiWanKendoobie
Eloquently put. Thanks for explaining your perspective intelligwntly.
JohnathanJacobJinglySchmidt
See, I think the central theme to the series is how the choices of one person are passed on to their children. I hope Rey isn't related (1/?
JohnathanJacobJinglySchmidt
to anyone, but she probably will be
lightlysalted
For canon continuity she needs to be a Skywalker, Solo, or Shan. She's too strong otherwise.
billymadison76
Except they could've written it without Death Star (freaking) #3
SweetZombiJesus
Starkiller base was introduced in the second act and while it was the location for the last battle, it was not the main plotline at all.
billymadison76
Without Starkiller, the main plot line was a series of random character introductions. It was shoehorned in to tie things together.
SweetZombiJesus
No, the main plot was getting the map to Skywalker back to the resistance.
MykillMetal
To me, it doesn't feel like Star Wars without a Death Star to destroy.
billymadison76
So, you don't like ESB? Strange.
MykillMetal
No... I actually don't. It's my least favorite of the OT. Hope, Jedi, then Empire.
parkway
People act as if the original trilogy had some deep Inception-level plot >_>
supermandeathstar
The beauty of Star Wars was in its simplicity. The prequels ruined that. FA is a return to simplicity, but a little too closely.
BlaaahBlahBlaaahBlahBlaaah
Just rewatched all 6 before seeing 7 the most overrated saga of our time. It was so disappointing.
icanhearjimi
The entire Star Wars series? Or just TFA? If you mean the entire Star Wars series I completely agree with you.
Berrydiddle
I don't think the original trilogy has aged well is all. It was a big deal in the special effects area for its time
SafetyWank
It was amazing for its time, but yes, nothing super 'deep'. It's actually quite simple, plot-wise. The fun is in the journey, really.
MundaneFinality
Exactly. The stor isnt about the resistance or the first order. Its about rey, finn, han, and kylo.
khora
People act like inception had a complicated plot.
parkway
Ok fine, Primer? or some other movie that deals with time travel. =P
VarrenHunter
Primer is the most awesomely confusing shit.
Dayrest
It's called the heroes journey. You can compare Star Wars to Harry Potter, hunger games, lord of the rings etc... the exact same way.
BlaaahBlahBlaaahBlahBlaaah
The Star Wars series couldn't hold its fucking jockstrap against LoTR or even Harry Potter. Star Wars is an overrated repeat of itself.
Dayrest
Wether that's true or not, that's not my point. Look up "the hero's journey". 90% of stories follow the exact same pacing. Which is my point
fenix404
The matrix
Dayrest
Yup
imNotChrisPratt
Lucas was buddies with the guy who came up with the Hero's Journey and explicitly said that Star Wars follows it. Don't know why people mad
Dayrest
Well...he was friends with the guy who named the heros journey and verbalized it. The structure of it has been around for 1000's of years
imNotChrisPratt
I know. Just the guy who coined the term.
Dayrest
Ex: King Arthur, Merlin, Excalibur, Mordred. Story is way older than either of them
BlaaahBlahBlaaahBlahBlaaah
No you can't, that's a plain fucking ignorant lie.
Dayrest
Are you serious? Harry Potter fights a seemingly invincible enemy has to be taught by older mentors, and needs to find (numerous) items 1/2
Dayrest
Find strength within herself to carry on and win. Google "the hero's journey" the details change but the story remains essentially the same
Dayrest
Himself to accomplish it. Katnis has to fight in and against impossible odds, needs to be mentored by numerous older ppl, and had to 3/4
Dayrest
To accomplish it. Luke fights a seemingly invincible enemy, has to be taught by and older mentor, and has to find the strength within 2/3
Dayrest
Lots of the rings followed the heros journey and was so good, it's only in the last 10-15 years that fantasy has broken it's mold
Dayrest
*lord
MixAllen
Well yeah, but they don't get so specific as stolen plans, droids on the run, and identical super weapons. These too are identical.
Dayrest
There aren't any stolen plans. It's a map. I get what you're saying but it is different.
Dayrest
The expanded universe everyone laments so much has at least 2 "Death Stars": darksaber and suncrusher and I don't even read them may be more
SheWhoPostsScience
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Superweapon/Legends Hell here's a list. But nah guys, TFA is totally unoriginal unlike the absolutely high
SheWhoPostsScience
quality and TOTALLY ORIGINAL EU!!!
Zyrr
The EU didn't pick up after ROTJ and write a copy of the same story previously told. The EU is actually quite unique.
Dayrest
Lol
vonbias
yeaaaaaaah, let's take this on another plane. even the fucking tavern was the same! stop fooling and admit the sad truth
Dayrest
It's the nature of a tavern. There's a bar, seats, patrons. They didn't have the same floor plan, what else do you want?
imNotChrisPratt
Are people really mad that VII had a bar? Get over yourselves.
Dayrest
Right? Omg the first two hunger games movies both had Katnis in a hunger game. So similar same exact story complete bs!
imNotChrisPratt
Haha, exactly!
vonbias
yeah,of course,nothing related to the IV, like..band! hideous table! t's a copy, get over it. if you like to pay for endless copying,it's ok
Dayrest
Of course it's similar. Think of it like this: British pub, British decorations, maybe a bagpipe band. Multi species cantina, has 1/2
Dayrest
Screenshots of the cantinas from new hope and force awakens. Put them side by side. They're visually different but have similarities 3/4
Dayrest
Various aliens, of course some will be the same species. And fuck who knows, maybe that band species is musically inclined. Pull up 2/3
Dayrest
Because surprise surprise, they're both cantinas. Much like British pubs all have British decorations, and maybe a bagpipe band...
Dayrest
Various aliens, of course some will be the same species. And fuck who knows, maybe that band species is musically inclined. Pull up 2/3
Dayrest
Nobody forces you to watch them, if you don't like it, go away, and watch whatever it is you do like. Probably transformers....
vonbias
typical answer. *bored* i loved star wars and i like to be entertained; i just get angry when they waste an entire episode on the SAME [1/n]
vonbias
story. because star wars is an epic fantasy saga and the fucking story and epicness is the basic, not a sat-down shit-sommelier [2/n]
vonbias
approach.anyway a pub is a pub, they could have skipped the pub maybe?bc you NEED to have a meeting in a pub right? pls be honest [3/3]
ImMrMeeseeks
"Anybody got any ideas that can match the awesomeness of the Death Star?" "...A bigger Death Star."
UlfhednarSkol
I've never left a star wars movie feeling "meh" before I saw this one.
EarthTourist
reallY? that's.... incredible. How old were you when you saw Ep1?
pyratheon115
I left infuriated by it. I think it's a really bad movie even for a "soft reboot" marketed as a sequel. Episode 1 was better. (the worst 1)
imNotChrisPratt
By literally any standard, this was a far superior movie to Episode 1. Please enlighten the rest of us as to how it could possibly be worse?
UlfhednarSkol
I don't even remember... I just rewatched it in preparation for this one and I still preferred it, even with jar jar
SpookySmores
Realllllllly bothers me that it keeps switching sides
thepowerofvoodoo
Same. I almost stopped reading out of pure rage.
Theantipimp
All I wanna know is why would they build star killer base if the first 2 death stars blew up. Only complaint I had.
Snowcean
Well, the first planes crashed, the first rockets to the moon crashed, and so on 'til the deathstars...
ImNotAnOrange
"we will just make it an entire planet, they cant blow up a planet"
masterchief
To create jobs and stimulate the economy after a massive depression caused by the others' destruction. http://arxiv.org/abs/1511.09054
StandardDeviant
So they could kill Luke if it turned out they couldn't find the last map piece. They could kill several planets at once, and refuel fast.
aim2score
they probably figured that the deathstar was defeated due to security holes, like vents and actual tunnels for ships. so they put more
aim2score
security, but that didn't work because the enemy this time did a ground infiltration first. but they believed they could do better
BayazTheBenevolent
And I want to know why the Republic had zero clue that the very people responsible for the first two death stars built another one.
whatismyusernamedude
Maybe they thought being built inside a planet would make it a tad sturdier...
ominousdusk
Because... If you were an evil empire and had the ability to build something that destroys multiple planets, wouldn't you build it?
imNotChrisPratt
They're not really an empire anymore, but point taken
Theantipimp
I mean if it's failed twice already..
natabus
Everyone said I was daft to build a Deathstar on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them.
Leithoa
first one, got infilitrated 'nd blown up. The 2nd one got sabotaged 'nd blown up. But the THIRD one, fueled up, caught fire 'nd then blew up
natabus
Could not resist.
Qualtagh
Maybe blowing up a single enemy planet was a pretty good return on investment. They keep pulling that off, so why not build more superweps?
ImgurSage
At least in the books, a single star destroyer could completely glass the surface of a planet in hours.
ImNotAnOrange
eh, which class of star destroyer? The imperials we see in the movie certainly can't do that, the executor maybe if no planetary shields .
Qualtagh
That doesn't fit well with canon, unless there's a reason why death stars are more effective than star destroyers.
ShotsoMilk
Especially one with the same goddamn weakness that allows the entire thing to blow up
RihannaPublicist
Dude yes. I understand parallels and fan service but I wasn't super excited when it was so very similar.
ShotsoMilk
It was a turnoff to me. It was good, but the plot was downright identical.
AgentSplodey
*Original idea by most everyone who saw the movie. Still enjoyed it and it was different in enough places. Bring on 8 and 9!
RudeDudeInABadMood
It's almost like it was done on purpose
Zugswang
huanthewolfhound
One way I judged it was by the presence of X-Wings: Original: Had X-Wings. Prequels: "X-Wings" show up in III. VII: MOTHERFING X-WINGS!!!
ikindacarebutimostlydont
Well this an exact copy of what was in the video.
dmitriwillguard
People seem to forget that Star Wars is, and always has been, just the Hero's Journey. Even the prequels *shudder* fit that template.
dmitriwillguard
And that's okay. There's a reason we've been telling that story since Gilgamesh.
Guessmyusername
5/7
purplepen
like 2 places tho
ymDtQG6purKz9eq
Yeah, rolled my eyes at "original idea". You'd have to be willfully ignorant to not see the obvious parallels to the originals.
ExcuseMe2
At what point does a "parallel" become a rehash?
Justapartofyourimagination
They even flew through a fucking trench....
aim2score
the whole point of the movie is to act as a hand-off, it's not plot advancement, it's plot set up.
aim2score
also I see it as showing that even though Luke defeated the Empire, absolutely nothing has changed, it gives a reason for the next movies
OhSoCliche
You'd also have to be pretty damn simple minded to stay glued to the parallels.Starkiller Base was an over-arching plot. A means to an (1/2)
OhSoCliche
End to drive the characters forward. This movie was about The Force.
considerthis
Being thematically different doesn't excuse the recycling of ideas on the more superficial level.
Jet3444
7, 8, and 9 are supposed to mirror the original trilogy. Hopefully 8 and 9 will be a little different . 7 was almost identical to 4.
MostOfYouArePathetic
Thank you for repeating exactly what this entire post way saying.
MostOfYouArePathetic
Also, who said 8 and 9 would be mirrors? That sounds like something someone extrapolated and you're just repeating as fact
Trollingstoned
Why is that though? "Look, a multibillion dollar company bought SW. Lets lower our expectations to a strict minimum and forgive everything!"
AgentSplodey
I can enjoy a flawed movie. Yes, there is plenty about it that wasn't perfect/could have been better, but that's true of most movies.
bv310
Same. I'm not forgiving any mistakes, but I'm also not holding them to an abnormally high standard. They delivered a fun, entertaining film
EverythingThatFallsToTheGroundIsMine
people forget how awful the prequels were. i believe disney had to play it safe, use a tried and true formula and just make it entertaining.
MundaneFinality
Exactly. we havent seen a non-shitty star wars movie in three decades.
EverythingThatFallsToTheGroundIsMine
now hopefully with that "safe" method out of the way, the other films will be a bit more unique.
H8UsCuzTheyAnus
So the next person Rey will kiss is going to be her brother. Got it.
Animorphs
You mean sister. :^)
d4rkr34p3r500
Brotha*
TjRyan
Cause he's black!
peeweesweden
And lose her hand
Soleno
Finn is her brother
illthinkofsomethingbetterlater
Plot twist
EricOlson
That's racist.
Mulzar
She'll also be surprised to learn that Kylo Ren is her father too.
SilverSixRaider
inb4 finn is her brother.
ClassyJacket
I volunteer to be Rey's brother
WellBoyGirl
She's Hans daughter.. I think, So she'll be kissing Kylo Ren
WellBoyGirl
I'd love her to be a Kenobi, but I think they don't talk about her because they think she's dead, Kylo was the one who abandoned her, becaus
WellBoyGirl
Because* .. he couldn't kill his sister, and that's what all the "I know what I have to do" was about, killing a family member, because he
WellBoyGirl
He failed before when he couldn't kill Rey...
pIanetarysociety
if that were the case, the interactions between them in the movie would've been much different
AreThoseMyPants
Don't think so. Why would both Han and Leia never talk about their daughter, only about Ben? Rey Kenobi makes more sense.
hpeterson
How does Obi wan knock someone up as a spirit?
AreThoseMyPants
Obi had a fling with Kryze. Though never confirmed having sex, their son or daughter could be Rey's parent.
hpeterson
Oooh grand daughter yes, that could work.
bv310
Well she missed her chance to kiss Han Solo.
Amphest
Its not too late, use the force.
AreThoseMyPants
Well... probably. In Star Wars universe, people tend to survive the weirdest shit. Next up; cybernetic Han Solo returns and kills Kylo Ren.
TinyFaceWiIlSmith
Harrison Ford has openly stated that he doesn't want to return to the Star Wars franchise.
AreThoseMyPants
I know. 'Twas a joke.
bingotown
Maybe she'll develop feelings for Luke the Mentor only to find out he's Luke the Father.
Rexli78
Based on Battle Front two that might not be true.
bingotown
I sure hope he's not. It's too obvious and I'd be really pissed they went for the easy one.
CynicSnacks
She's definitely a Kenobi
BirthdayMassacre
mfw Captain Phillips reference
LittleYellowBoltsOfLight
I definitely think Luke is her father!!! ^_^
ADMIN1337
Nah, Han & Leia left her with Luke, Luke later erased her mind with the force thus her force-sensibility
LittleYellowBoltsOfLight
Why do this to her?
dakvas
In non cannon books, Han and Leia had 2 kids, boy and girl. Boy was sith, girl was under Luke.
JeremytheBearemy
Actually I read a pretty convincing theory that Rey is a kenobi
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jriley4800
This, that theory is pretty rock solid
LittleYellowBoltsOfLight
from Huffington Post? I was just directed there... reading that made me feel a disturbance in the force. I'll marinate.
leolaser22
Isn't there a possibility that both are true?
WickedFlowers
I LAUGHED SO HARD I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK
ANewBadlyDrawnReactionImageAsIMakeThem
Jesus man Senephillia in the extreme
dpidcoe
You mean the one that assumed that accents and wardrobes are inherited traits?
TinyFaceWiIlSmith
In movies, the parallels don't need to be genetic. It can be similarities that foreshadow a relation. You don't inherit a mask, but Kylo >>
mfaber1025
Also puts in account the character parallels. Such as a whole scene dedicated to showing the Jedi mind trick.
slowworld19
I loved the new film, I just wish they varied from the planet destroying weapon plotline.
Jandrogrig
Couldn't agree more
SexyTurtleAfro
If I learned anything from watching star wars is that the best way to get your ideals across is by blowing up a planet.
dylanIIII
It blew up multiple planets from what I remember
oceanov
I'm fine with the other things being similar but Starkiller base is just too much. Still loved the movie, though.
BoneSawIsReady
I thought it worked well with Kylo Ren trying to become Darth Vader. He wanted to do everything Vader did.
nycterelis
The "bad guys" have a history of ruining planets, even in the legacy EU
throwthisaway83
Let's never speak of the Yuuzhan Vong again.
imooforyou
That was the only part I thought was lazy and weak. I welcomed the nostalgia rehash as it washed out the prequels taste.
LizardEnterprises
Or omitted it entirely. It wasn't necessary for the plot, they could just as easily go there to save Rey.
MykillMetal
To me, it doesn't really feel like Star Wars without a Death Star to destroy.
dembonz00
And the droids containing valuable information. And the dessert planet.
euxneks
Dessert planet with a cherry on top :P
dembonz00
No, just whipped cream. iOS thinks it's so smart with its autocorrect.
istilldontknow
and the fact that the new planet destroying weapon has the exact same weakness
Darkcl4w
I like the fact the had a "viable" power source, even though after destroying the star they couldn't survive on it anymore
lumpypumpkin
They even say in the movie that the planet has hyperspace capabilities. The planet can move to any star they want.
Sephon
But why only planet destroying? Kill a star system to power the weapon -and- a distant planet I say!
Darkcl4w
it destroyed 4 or 5 in one hit, which is impressive, but it eats it's own source of life.. great if you're a droid army, but not organisms
nycterelis
Yeah, this sounds poorly thought out.
Darkcl4w
they must have known it was doomed. Either that or the ginger twit running it had one sunburn too many
nman10000
Uhhh... Hyperdrives. I assume they would move it to a new system for every sun they extinguish. Just like the deathstars.
Darkcl4w
so they could immediately relocate to a similar orbit, using the remaining power of the last sun it devoured.. seems a bit risky
LizardEnterprises
Or fire it again, for that matter. What exactly was the threat here, Why was it so urgent they destroy it immediately?
ChronologicalMyopia
It could move also. It's just not covered in the movie. It destroyed the senate and republic fleet and was about to wipe out the resistance.
LizardEnterprises
If it's not covered in the movie, it didn't happen.
ChronologicalMyopia
Unless it's covered in any of the extra material that is considered cannon, because Disney
lumpypumpkin
it is covered in the movie. They state that it has hyperspace capabilities.
ChronologicalMyopia
Thought I heard that, wasn't positive.
MykillMetal
...You realize there are more than one star in a galaxy, right?
qwermmm
Exactly. Since they fired already and the. Used another star I greatly assumed they could move it to other locations
Darkcl4w
yeah, but how are you going to move a planet to another system, whilst it's not receiving light or heat for warmth/photosynthesis? Droids?
TresusIbor
It would have been so fucking hype if the whole planet went hyperspace
lumpypumpkin
They did state in the movie that the planet had hyperspace capabilities.
MykillMetal
It's not a planet... It's a Death Star the SIZE of a planet.
lumpypumpkin
it was a planet they hollowed out and built the weapon (and a hyperspace drive) into
Darkcl4w
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Starkiller_Base
SithRuleOfTwo
I get that point. I looked at it as an allegory about how powerful the First Order has become out of the Empire. ]
slowworld19
But surely they would be like much less powerful?
SithRuleOfTwo
Possibly. But, with Snoke supposedly watching events from the shadows for some time, it is possible that he had been building his forces 1/2
SithRuleOfTwo
for some time, and maybe converged with the remnants of the Empire. After all, the empire only lost the DS and the Emperor. War continued.
Cyberwere
Not really a problem for me, but I understand how it is for others. My only real problem was how did they power the first shot from (1)
Cyberwere
Starkiller base? For that matter, how does it make sense to have something like that on a planet that isn't able, apparently, to move (2)
Cyberwere
Snuffing out a Star is going to kill a solar system with each shot. Even if they're in a binary star system, this seems a pretty major flaw
Lulumegan
Yeah, even the galaxy is bored with it. There was virtually 0 reaction to the billions that died when the planets were destroyed
billymadison76
Hahah, exactly - No emotional resonance in that scene whatsoever. Rey's captured! Moving on.
UnknownSquid
And somehow the only force that anyone in the entire galaxy cared to muster against this threat, was about a dozen or two X-Wings.
mrmcspicy
Not just any old planets either but the capital of the Republic's government and their entire military fleet!
throwthisaway83
Too bad there was no emotional link to the Hosnian system, at all.
CyBio
Before I realized it was the Hosnian system, I thought one of the planets they blew up was Coruscant. I was sad until I realized that
Lulumegan
Oh, it wasn't? They talked about destroying the senate, so I assumed Coruscant as well.
CyBio
No, the Senate moved to the Hosnian system between Episodes 3 and 7 before being obliterated.
Vegainthemirror
Think of it as an hommage and not a copy. Also, it's the best after three very...well...shit movies. So, I'm totally fine w/ ep.7 like that
BlaaahBlahBlaaahBlahBlaaah
The prequels were better then the originals besides VI
Vegainthemirror
Yeah. No. But thatsjustlikeyouropinionman.gif
jsktrogdor
People really need to stop saying: "Well it's not as bad as the prequels." That's not a good sign if that's how you're defending a film.
Vegainthemirror
I'm not defending it by only saying it's not as bad as the prequels. I love it as an hommage. The better-than-prequel is just a bonus.
CerealwithMilk
I consider it a nostalgic set up for the rest of the series, it's also a really good movie.
Vegainthemirror
exactly. Thanks! +1
EarthTourist
more a pastiche than an hommage - I think they could've made nods to the original without using virtually the exact scenarios
Vegainthemirror
It didn't feel like a pastiche to me. But opinions are different obviously.
EarthTourist
that said, I enjoyed it, and the new aspects were quite good
illiriam
I like to think it was the best way to get back in the universe, and bring it to a new generation
FedericoAstica
This. Lucas made three movies for a new generation of kids, not for old Star Wars fans.
illiriam
I see it this way for the prequels and new movie. Fans fussed about the difference, so to get back into the new story, they did what worked
illiriam
I have no qualms with TFA mirroring A New Hope, as long as they make the next ones their own stories
The1Freeman
Man I don't know, revenge of the sith was actually a very solid movie
DarthReznor
From my point of view, the jedi are evil
BHObiWanKendoobie
Evil is a pretty strong word. They're misguided from past experience.
The1Freeman
I noticed that on my most recent watch. You start sort of siding with Anakin
DarthReznor
I just meant that I think that was a terrible line
Cerapocalypse
Palpatine had Anakin convinced that the Jedi Council was trying to take control of the senate and rule over it all.
TheWayofTheFutureTheWayofTheFutureTheWayofTheFuture
"The finale of the saga so bad, this [sic] mess is known as the good one" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l5eZp8Ae9c
Vegainthemirror
Look, it's about opinions here. I don't like the prequels too much, ep.3 was okey, but they were too much CGI-fest for my taste 1/2
abcismasta
The Phantom menace (minus jar jar) was clearly the best prequel.
The1Freeman
I can't tell if you're joking, but I quite enjoy that movie, with a few obvious exceptions
Vegainthemirror
I'm not so sure. I prefer the "phantom edit" of all three cut to one single movie
Sprixxen
You are having selective memory. There were some good scenes but the tone was sporadic, the dialogue clunky, and the script was convoluted.
Sprixxen
If you look at it as a movie (like you did) instead of a "Star Wars movie" it is clear that it is majorly flawed.
Sprixxen
There are numerous videos out there that can explain to you every single thing that is wrong w/ them so I won't...But it's out there. 3/3
Vegainthemirror
Ep.7 found a good mix of CGI, story, hommage and (mostl) loveable old and new characters, whether they're bad or evil 2/2
The1Freeman
I enjoyed 7 a lot, but I don't get all the hate for the prequels
Vegainthemirror
You know "shit" is maybe wrong. I enjoy part of them, b/c it's still SW after all. But I prefer the "phantom edit" that cut all three 1/2
Vegainthemirror
prequels into one single movie. Less CGI, more story 2/2
The1Freeman
Where can I find that edit?
TallScratch
It's difficult to tell with them being SO similar, but why do the original/TFA images keep swapping sides?
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VeganFeministFlatEarther
Just no. Humans are hard wired to detect patterns. Literally every normal person is bothered by those patterns failing.
YeahLinguisticsBitch
Because the original creator was an idiot?
Aaaargh
It's a re*mix*... Doh
ChoosePazuzu
think its part of the joke
TallScratch
Mind. Blown.
HerrBisch
Oh yeah, well spotted. Weirdly it's just the two images with Han in them.
TallScratch
Clearly because he aged so much better than Leia and it's hard to tell the difference between original Han and TFA Han.
SayaImgur
And the one with just Rey and just Luke.
HerrBisch
Oh yeah, curse my poor observational skills.
Lulumegan
That drove me crazy. You don't do that! If it's on one side, leave it there.
TallScratch
Like Anakin?
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
Swaping sides? Like some kind of TRAITOR?
MyUsernameWasTakenWasTaken
I found this annoying, but I think it was to see if people would notice, as the films were so similar.
CallahansLawRefutesEntropy
Why are we so quickly critical? It was well-made, fun, & yes, very derivative. Easier to be critical. Better (imo) to just enjoy.
Renovin
Maybe, just MAYBE, people actually have problems with the massive pile of shit.
MixAllen
I get much more enjoyment out of movies (especially movies I love) by Being extra critical of them.
EarthTourist
maybe. I can enjoy AND be critical. I think we need more of that
pyratheon115
Maybe I can also have thought it was bad and be critical too. Since when are personal opinions not allowed?
whitechryslerlebaron
Prequels are too different from originals, now TFA is too similar. Maybe we should make up our minds?
BlaaahBlahBlaaahBlahBlaaah
The prequels were the best ones. (besides VI which you could watch literally just that one and understand the entire story)
XaiaX
The prequels were only "too different" in that they were terrible garbage that was badly written and poorly directed.
javjav
Episode I rethread a lot of concepts from the originals, including but not limited to using a less advanced aboriginal race as battle fodder
AuntieShanShan
Prequels follow the same parallels actually. Stop hating.
Sprixxen
The prequels were not bad because they were different...They were bad because everything that was different was awful.
Sprixxen
I would have loved to embrace Dexster Jetster and his 50's diner or Jar Jar if it was well done and made sense...But it didn't.
Kaianacoel
Because there's no middle ground, amirite?
CitrusLimon
How about balance?
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Sure, but I think the prequels main criticism wasn't that they were too different, it's that they were shit.
whitechryslerlebaron
Well yes that was definitely a part of it too
Wastyvez
You can pay homage to themes of the original trilogy without making it a glorified remake that makes no sense 50% of the time.
StillbornGod
What made no sense to you?
Wastyvez
The movie is filled with things that are left unanswered or just don't make any sense.
PeteStepan22
That's why they're making more movies
StillbornGod
Left unanswered doesn't mean it makes no sense, to me at least... Plenty of movies leave tons of stuff unanswered. And I figured that 1/2
StillbornGod
Starkiller Base could move to other suns to charge
Wastyvez
Sure, which is why I made the distinction. And I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt that they'll answer these things in the sequels.
Wastyvez
The entire concept of Starkiller Base for one. It's meant to be a bigger better Death Star, but no amount of suspesnion of disbelief can >
Wastyvez
make me ignore the lapses in logic. How do you aim a planet? It drains a sun to charge itself. Does that mean there were two suns around
Wastyvez
the planet and the base itself is useless after two shots? Why then waste a shot on a menial military base.
Wastyvez
And then there's other things like who was the dude at the start, how did Maz Kanata get Anakin's lighsaber when it was lost on Bespin,..
MundaneFinality
Didnt they mention that in aftermath? Something about a cult claiming to have recovered the saber.
PeteStepan22
Doesn't Moz say "That's a good question for another time"? I assume they'll explain how she got Luke's saber later on.
PeteStepan22
Maz*
Galdrack
Literally all the plot holes feel that way which is just baiting people into watching the sequels.
Wastyvez
Let's be real, that was just a lazy cop-out to avoid blatant continuity errors. I'd be seriously surprised if they actually explain it.
Wastyvez
Oh god I could make an entire list of things that don't make any sense, too much to place in 140 characters.
BHObiWanKendoobie
Will you make that list in a message to me? You're the only person here not being rude about their opinion and actually explaining it.
OliverClothesoff70
My issue with the Prequels was the AWFUL dialogue throughout, not how they were too different from the original trilogy.
ShadowStorm197498
Thank George!
Darkslayerryuu2
I have an unpopular opinion. I actually enjoyed the prequels and lived some of the new chars like general grevious and dooku.
whitechryslerlebaron
The dialogue is garbage I agree, some of the worst I've ever seen, but some complaints from fans were that they don't feel like star wars
demonjester1515
If you listen to the dialogue in 4, 5, and 6, it's not all that different. Carrie Fisher famously made fun of it and Harrison Ford (1/2)
demonjester1515
refused to say some of the lines. Alec Guiness called it "fairy tale rubbish". Difference is, fans have a nostalgia factor for the originals
amazingrusher
The actor who played Obi Wan considered it cheesy BS too.
demonjester1515
"Fairy tale rubbish", in fact. He was embarrassed that Star Wars is what he would be remembered for.
pyratheon115
The dialogue is only bad between a few characters. I felt most of the characters were well written and acted. Anakin unfortunately was not.
OliverClothesoff70
Let me just drop one name on you: Jar-Jar.
pyratheon115
Jar Jar was written for kids. He may be a bit annoying at times, but he doesn't RUIN the movie.
whitechryslerlebaron
George has said Star Wars is for children yet I seem to remember a child murder scene followed by a man burning alive so yeah,
OliverClothesoff70
Agreed, but compare JarJar to the Ewoks (also for kids). Ewoks were cute, but very brave to fight the Stormtroopers. JarJar was just stupid.
MundaneFinality
How doesnt he? An entire half the plot revolves around "Lol this guy is so clumsey. Look, he stepped in poop!"
CallahansLawRefutesEntropy
So good, no spoilers then
MrUpseeks
It all started with @MankDemes
DiamondUnknown
Just go watch the fucking movie then. You are just asking for spoilers at this point.
horsethanwitler
yeah, we really dodged a bullet with this one :/
sasavukelic
whew! that was a close one!
nickdub49er
Got spoiled on imgur THE DAY BEFORE THE MOVIE CAME OUT. I would dexter thr fuck out of that person if i could ever find them.
PRETTYOFFICER117
As the spirit of Ben Kenobi said in Ep.7: If you haven't seen it yet, you probably don't care
Whty706
But did we dodge a bowcaster projectile?
MandMEnterprises
Fuck no. That shit will fuck everything in its path
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
Unless you can take the hit.
horsethanwitler
that's part of the expansion pack isn't it. I'll *never* get it now.
ChanningTastum
Agreed
strykerG8
Spoilers now making it to the front page
chewtoythebrave
'Bout time.
MsLeading
wouldn't be an issue if they just added SPOILERS to the title really
Thoraxe123
im very happy that I just saw it yesterday
mcof
Honestly the movie doesn't deserve any of the protection the community has given it since it's just a rehash of the original.
SpadesNeil
No-Spoiler grace period is over.
TheDrySideOfThePenny
If you haven't seen Star Wars yet. You're either not a fan or hospitalised.
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MundaneFinality
Thats still a choice. Deal with crowds, or deal with spoilers. You had plenty of time to make whichever choice is best for you.
hooktail419
Its funny because I just saw it yesterday so fuck you.
HypersonicHarpist
Or Chinese/ in China... It doesn't open there until January 9th
AnthonyBlumpkins
Yeah movie tickets are out of budget for a lot of folks
Akirareturns
I waited until last night because of severe agoraphobia. It wasn't bad, only a few other people in the theater.
Thorfin
Or broke as fuck
MundaneFinality
How long does the internet need to wait for you to save $10? Theres no shame in being broke, but it's a one-time expense, not an investment.
MsLeading
I don't have money to go watch it... but who cares right?
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MsLeading
yeah... I wouldn't mind if they just added SPOILERS to the title... I managed to avoid those
Durbs42
Or I'm being polite because my parents keep putting it off and begged me to watch it with them.
toounoriginaltothinkofacleverusername
Go see it without them, then see it again with them? That's what my roommate did.
Durbs42
Like I said, they would commit to a day and then be busy and put it off.
Supanini
It's been like 3 weeks
MostlyJeffGoldblum
Right, it's only been 3 weeks
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MundaneFinality
As far as money, if you cant drop $10 once a year on this big of a movie, then how long do you expect people to wait while you save up?
susiedotwo
it releases here in China this weekend! (i just scrolled past everthing except the first 2 panels, closest I've come to getting spoiled)
HypersonicHarpist
I hope everyone there likes it as much as we do!
strykerG8
I saw it opening weekend. I'm just surprised
chewtoythebrave
I said this a couple of days ago and got down voted.. it's not our fault if they haven't seen. A warning in the title would be nice though
AnthonyBlumpkins
It's a matter of choice: post that thing you want to post, or be considerate of others? Which do you think will be more respectable?
chewtoythebrave
Down voted again, and as the comment said, a warning in the title would have been nice here... how much more respect is needed?
MundaneFinality
It's a matter of choice: enjoy discussing a movie you enjoy in a public forum after waiting several weeks, or 1/
thehungryguy
its still sold out in a couple theaters in my town
chewtoythebrave
Dafuq you live? And you only try on Saturday night or something?
chewtoythebrave
Dafuq you live? And you only try on Saturday night or something?
kim73
How many seats are in the theater? 5?
Thoraxe123
not enough, I had to try 3 theatres yesterday before I could get tickets
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
It's a small town, it's just some dudes basement
fedthepoopy
Just saw it for the second time in IMAX, completely sold out
CameronChase420
I mean....we did agree to hold off, but only til the new year right?
justforthefakepoints
First business day after the New Year. Our office rule. You would of seen it, if you really cared.
Zimmgur
Yeah, new years was what I agreed to. No other prominent marker to go by this month.
Boomshanker
Ummmm the most important day of the year is this month........ FACKEN STRAYA DAY CUNT!
remembertoneverfuckupagoodsituation
Most of people agreed on a week or two.
shiftyginger
Wow, glad I saw the movie on Saturday.
IronBrayden
I went yesterday thank god
chewtoythebrave
Cuz it's so hard to click next on a star wars post, right?
bigbadbob1978
It's been a month, get your arse to a cinema!!! Can't be any spoilers then!!!
GrouchyMarx
Yeah. Imgur seems to have gone from "spoilers are the scum of the earth" to "spoilers deserve the front page" in the course of mere days.
onetwothreefourfive6
Good thing I saw this movie last night, then!
Zaayl
Spoilers have been on the front page for weeks...every Kylo Ren post mentions that he's Ben Solo. Im pretty sure the embargo is off
GitRightStik
No!
reflectedsoundofundergroundspirits
Embargo? Shall I dispatch the jedi ambassadors to negotiate?
CoulstWolf110
If you haven't seen it by now you're not a big enough fan and it's your own fault
delecti
To be fair, the first images are small but increasingly serious spoilers which should clue you into the fact that major spoilers are coming.
AddictedToCycling
Winter is coming
chewtoythebrave
No shit! Its easy to click next if you suspect.
BigJu
Should say in the title though...
chewtoythebrave
Agreed.
500lizards
Seriously, good thing I finally saw the movie a few days ago.
ThisUsernameIsNoLongerAvailableIsStillNotEvenAvailable
If you still haven't seen it after all this time then that's really your problem.
Foag
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!?!
Studoku
If you don't want spoilers, don't click on what is clearly a Star Wars post.
magneticgumby
You see, but the now majority to be inconvenienced forever because the minority can't make practical decisions for themselves.
sonofgeorge
It's been two weeks we're letting them fly
dirtyMIRCH
At this point, if you haven't seen it, you can't blame others for spoilers, they're not even spoilers anymore
thickoozymud
When does is hit the theaters?
MundaneFinality
In -3 weeks.
aegiskay
China will get it 4 days from now (9th Jan)
AndAlsoAaron
Isn't the rule no spoilers for 1 week per $100 million at the box office?
MundaneFinality
Dude, its been out for like 3 weeks. That is plebty of time for any fan to go see it.
magneticgumby
Nope. The majority need to cater to the needs of the entitled minority who can't stay off social media/not click star wars posts
LRidge
Nice Pirates of the Caribbean reference.
vo0d0ogirl
I'm pissed. I've avoided spoilers this entire time. I had romantic getaway plans to see it in a cool small theater in a sex time weekend1/2
MundaneFinality
Wait, so you intentionally waitied this long? Thats your own damn fault.
vo0d0ogirl
Even my 10 year old saw it and didn't ruin it. Two frames in, I'm fucked. At least my bag of toys, restraints, and costumes is still a go.
UnexpectedItemInBaggingArea
Lucky you! I had it spoiled by a child I know shouting it to me across the road the day after it was released. People around me were PISSED!
vo0d0ogirl
Little jerk. My kid is queen of accidental spoilers. That's why is so shocking!
UnexpectedItemInBaggingArea
I "accidentally" told his mum. He was in so much trouble I felt a tiny bit guilty.
MostlyJeffGoldblum
Wait... so... Han... ?
thezanderd
:), don't worry you're not the only one. :))))))
HerrBisch
Oh boy, I hope you're joking!
MostlyJeffGoldblum
Me? It's in OP's post.
HerrBisch
Yeah, I meant I hope you're joking about it having been spoiled for you. Sorry :(
MostlyJeffGoldblum
Ohh! Well... yeah I wasn't joking :( that's what I get for browsing the freakin front page!
asdfertjryjre
It's been two weeks.
DagothWit
Fuck you.
asdfertjryjre
I didn't fucking spoil anything you cunt.
DagothWit
Fuck you and your mentality. It's only been two weeks? It was the holiday season. Some of us work more around that time.
magneticgumby
Here's a crazy idea, show some personal constraint and stay the fuck off social media, or at least away from Star Wars post ya entitled twat
Ebalmatronic
it was adopted from Non-Canon fiction written in the 90's, except they made Ben, Han's son not Lukes
Drpurrpurrpurr
Seriously? I've been leaning towards regarding Ep VII as non-canon, I think that seals the deal.
fourcore
Well, it kind of is canon by definition.
Qualtagh
...where do you think canon comes from, exactly?
Drpurrpurrpurr
Usually from the creator. In this case, George Lucas. Who has been very vocal about his dislike of this movie's story.
Qualtagh
Dangerous path. That makes all the revisions canon, and means all stories must die with their creator.
ChibiYui
Sure as hell not the mouse and jar jar Abrams. Thrawn was canon long before this business.
MostTriumphant
Thrawn for president.
Qualtagh
Random authors, got it.
lathoraelle
The creators said that the books are no longer canon and that they would be re-doing it with "reference" to some stuff in the books.
VeganFeministFlatEarther
Such as somehow once again finding Luke's lost saber
Oakshand
Except theres about a million things that happen that make this meaningful instead of a cashgrab.
SweetZombiJesus
Didn't feel like a cashgrab to me *shrugs*
Haackv2
Agreed *shrugging intensifies*
pyratheon115
A very bad not even close to the source material adoption? It shares almost all of Ep IV's plot points. What book/series do you think it is?
SweetZombiJesus
Films normally only have a few plot points, so that doesn't require that much "sharing".
pyratheon115
The point is that only the name is shared with any of the books. I've read most of the EU and couldn't name a single book it emulates.
SweetZombiJesus
I was responding to "It shares almost all of Ep IV's plot points", which was not a comparison to the books (at least for that part).
pyratheon115
That was my point. It really only compares to the movie. Wasn't a complaint. Was making a point it DOESN'T emulate the books.
lumpypumpkin
Even in the extended universe, Han and Leia's son, Jacen solo, fell from the light and become a Sith Lord.
flightmode
And whose twin sister Jaina learned exceptional piloting and mechanical skill from Han and Force sensitivity from Leia. I think Rey = Jaina.
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lumpypumpkin
I did call him Jacen. The circumstances of Ben's fall are different, but my point was that the dark Jedi was Han & Leia's son, Not Luke's.
ThePastmaster
And wasn't Jacen killed by Jania his sister?
howlongareweabletomakeusernameswowthisisreallylongholycrap
Yes, after Jacen killed Mara Jade
LefthandedLink
God i miss that series. I should go back and reread those.
StandardDeviant
They're pretty fuckin great
TailoFire
What's it called?
StandardDeviant
Legacy of the Force. 9books written by two good authors and one great one.