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islander311
To bad there are so many people striving to provide officers job security.
march1ne
Every person in the United States should be saying this. Not just one chief. This is such a big problem to America and it needs to be a topi
Mannus
Every three years. Thunder Dome. 2 men enter, one man leaves. Last man walks.
woodproforsport
The trend towards privatization of prisons capitalizes on inmate labor with almost zero effort at rehabilitation
Zigor22
If you're in jail chances are you fucked up some where at some time.
SarahColombia
Some things never change.
RandomlyAppointedNSAAgent
Well it could go either way. "Prisons that reform so that society changes" or "prisons that execute for the slightest crime = no inmates"
adrian94
I like this post and all, but I'm waiting for the Photoshop wars to begin so that the sign says funny things
erbiumyttriumytterbium
Uphill battle against the rest of society, which doesn't give a fuck.
GreenLanternMD
Years ago I got a recruiting letter from the DOJ extolling their great opportunities b/o their ambitious plans for prison growth. It read..
GreenLanternMD
..something like, "By the year 2000 we hope to have over 1 million people serving sentences in federal prisons." And then they noted, "We..
GreenLanternMD
..have a particular need for psychiatrists." This bothered me in just so many ways.
chumbucketmegabucket
Downvote me to hell but, cops play in a rigged game where in our goverment it's legal to run a prison system as private industry 1 of 2
chumbucketmegabucket
Meaning there is a pay incentive to make arrests. Isn't that a little fucked up? Not all cops are bad but, the system they work for is 2/2
LOOKATMYFAVORITESYOUMIGHTLIKETHEM
Police Academy. I loved those movies
Hybris51129
If you want a re-imagined prison system then you need to fix the ethnic cultures that feed said system.
UnknownSquid
It's all part of the same problem. These kinds of prisons and related policies, have very much played a role in shaping that culture.
lunobear
That's some fancy wordplay for such a blatantly racist sentiment
jetstreaminfinity
Thank. You. So. Much.
Electriccarsbestcars
Make is so schools aren't funded by local tax areas and instead are funded equally. You need to make it so all kids have a safe home
Electriccarsbestcars
Kids that aren't white are treated more harshly starting in fucking preschool.
Electriccarsbestcars
sauce: http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/03/21/292456211/black-preschoolers-far-more-likely-to-be-suspended
digitalutopia
Although the view is honorable, the "prison system" isn't normally its own entity. We don't need to re-imagine prison, we need to take a /1
digitalutopia
long, hard look at the conditions, laws, and systems that have led to the current prison system. /2
UsernameReviewer
Of course where Bernie Sanders came from: Burlington, VT.
anoner123
Prison System. Business. I think I found your problem
rainmakerab
Some city ? Look at his patch
dekket
Neeeeeever gonna happen. Not until private prisons are banned outright. No loopholes or anything.
NOINOON
That's the point he is making. A business whose goal is to go bankrupt cannot work.
MonocledTiger
Incarceration is the punishment. Prison itself should entirely be focused on rehabilitation. See Norway for a case study. Lower recidivism.
MidiArbite
Norway also desperately flailed around trying to carve out an exception in their system for that child killing nazi fuck.
edgareplekjekk
Really? Source please. As far as i understood most people wanted the system to not change just because of one idiot.
edgareplekjekk
Really? Source please. As far as i understood most people wanted the system to not change just because of one idiot.
Mack1986
Yeah it's also a homogeneous country with a higher eduated populace. Can't just take American gang bangers and apply the system to them
Krypet004
if only they could go in actual force against the gang culture and maybe help the economy a bit to prevent reestablishing it.
bendap
True, the vast difference in population size also makes comparison futile, but that doesn't mean we can't learn from some of their policies.
GiantRobotsRule
"it would never work here because homogeneous & stuff"is always a good excuse for Americans to never learn & keep doing things inefficiently
spiffylookingnerfherder
Nope, probably not, but stopping their grandkids from being gang bangers starts in this decade.
sedyana
You've got a good point, honestly.
MyCatLovesToHateMe
Same old excuse as always...
SAWhowhatnow
What does the country being homogenous have to do with anything?
Mushroombadger
Less conflict resulting from cultural clashes.
ElPoloDiablo
Crime rates relating to ethnicity can far easier be explained with poverty rates.
Weregerbil2
Somewhat, yes, but the crime rate of poor white people is still several times lower than black people of the same income
varsil
For those in the audience, I offer a helpful translation: He's saying they have fewer black people.
thatSteveFan
I mean you can easily make the argument that there is less gang fighting and/or less racial crime in such a homogenous country. While I'm1/2
opkraut
I think it's more that they don't have the so called "ghetto" culture as much as inner city America does
nonlpb
Not if the prison system is privatized and ALL ABOUT business (I.e., profit).
YouseekidsACar
this.
StarkRG
Well, for starters it shouldn't be a business...
russellbeardsmoresjengaparty
As a prison worker I love this. Our system isn't perfect but damn I like it a lot more than America's.
MacroManJr
Have you been in America? Because I'm always curious when people not in America say things about America as if they've been in America.
GiantRobotsRule
Data like incarceration rate,whether prisons are public or for-profit,etc are freely available. You don't have to travel evrywher to compare
tentwelve
Where are you from?
russellbeardsmoresjengaparty
UK
InsertFunnyCommentHere
Does anyone here actually work in the corrections field? Spend a month in my shoes and then see how many actually can be rehabilitated.
edgareplekjekk
With that attitude i can imagine only a few. With better prison staff and programs most people can be rehabilitated. other countries do this
InsertFunnyCommentHere
Like 1/10 can. Gangs are so prevalent now that the youth go there automatically. Mommy and Daddy don't pay attention anymore but thugs do.
OhBuggerIt
Hah. Mommy doesn't even know who Daddy is and the only value of the child is to increase benefit income.
InsertFunnyCommentHere
For a price .
TheVoicesInYourHead
I did 5 years working for the Dept. of Corrections in Michigan... Jackson, Marquette, and finished at Kinross in the UP. You're right. 1/2
TheVoicesInYourHead
I also believe that privatizing prisons for money is a horrible idea, there is NO incentive to rehab those who really would benefit.
InsertFunnyCommentHere
I agree with this as well. Some people just don't grasp the concept that bad people exist and they don't want to change.
IhaveAdogAndAnxiety
I'm in Corrections. All y'all who think these guys can be rehabilitated... Let them stay at your house when they get out.
TakWriterOfWorlds
I like your username.
LosPer
Nice goal...but there will always be bad people, no matter how optimistic you are about it. And they belong in jail.
Krypet004
but do they really? if they have no chance of rehabilitation, what's the point of keeping them in jail or giving them another chance out?
UnknownSquid
That's why it said both "idealistically" and "strive". It's not an actual expectation. It's about solving issues, rather than milking them.
tutorp
Curiously, being tough on crime doesn't so much result in less criminal activity as in tougher criminals...
nanamonster
Hints escalation in criminal acts.
GingerLaird
Instead of subjugating criminals, how about we seperate them from society as punishment, but also prepare them for reintegration.
Burke616
"Tough on crime" =/= "tough on criminals." But so many people don't know that.
MidiArbite
Depends on the definition of "Tough on Crime"
Brillenerd
That explains Gotham City...
DothWhatSheHathSaid
If you changed a crime to be suseptible to life in prison, you make those criminals willing to defend themselves as their life is on theline
DothWhatSheHathSaid
as if*
tirogrande
One half do not want rehab, they just want to get back on the street and back to crime. In their mind, work and clean living is for saps.
whyteraven74
The whole idea of tough on crime is pretty much ass backwards. If you really want to be tough on it, forget punishments and work on...
whyteraven74
things like poverty and various social issues.
SuperPickle17
socioeconomics is such a poor excuse for committing crimes, however, I would agree no matter your social standing to be treated equally
Tehadam
But to politicians, that's hard work, and raises taxes; those higher-class voters won't have that!
Theverant
Too tough. Easier to be tough on crime.
RetroVicar
But there are always little fucking like Brock Turner
Kodaxmax
The trick to making people do things, is to make them want to do it. positive reinforcement, rehabilitation. punishment is pointless.
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
Long prison sentences just don't work. Unless you just want to keep someone out of society cos you have no rehabilitation system in place.
ICantThinkOfAU
Absolutely correct, same goes for "Severe" Sentences like death, the US, a countries that use sCapital Punishment, yet the US comes first 1/
ICantThinkOfAU
capita. Point is, punishment doesn't deter the mentally ill, or the desperate. Rehabilitation however, can. 4/4
ICantThinkOfAU
places like Somalia... Plus Seychelles has a population of under 100k people) in the entire world in terms of imprisoned citizens per 3/4
ICantThinkOfAU
(with the exception of Seychelles, however US statistics exclude over 50k juvenile prisoners, and it also has many "Pirate" Prisoners from2/
ICantThinkOfAU
"It" Being Seychelles sorry, not the US
Klingon00
Idealistically so does my dentist... but he still finds work...
UnknownSquid
Dentists haven't lobbied for and won a legal right, in several states, to sue the state for "failing to provide enough patients".
mossysabertoothtiger
I feel like your missing the point
NotARobotISwear
I feel you might not know how good your comparison is. Caries risk factors and criminality risk factors are correlated. There's more, too.
ElPoloDiablo
Dentists do tend to offer preventive advice though. Whether or not you listen is a different matter.
SavageRancor
There is little point in rehabilitation if the offender rejoins an environment that perpetuates the behaviour
apdskib
This. This so much. I work in a state school, a "prison" for juveniles. Some don't care and don't want rehabilitated because it's a vacation
Hybris51129
Exactly when going to prison is seen as moving you up in certain cultures then its night impossible to rehab effectively.
MrMobil
But if the offender is rehabilitated, they are more likely to bring back that ethos to the environment.
SavageRancor
they are but it would be much more fruitful if we cleaned up the environments that casued the initial offending.
SomeCrazyNerd
That's why I advocate both.
Electriccarsbestcars
But that usually happens because the offender cant ever get another job due to people being unwilling to hire someone who did their time.
Electriccarsbestcars
So that person is stuck working unsavory jobs to make ends meet. Or working legit jobs that just don't pay enough to make ends meet.
SavageRancor
Good point. Thank you for your input.
apdskib
/2 to them. But some do actually work the program and get out better than they came. It just depends on the kid really. But they're always
SavageRancor
Obviously prisons should give as many tools as possible to help the person turn their life around. But it's an up hill battle
apdskib
It totally is. We can continue to throw tools at a person, ultimately it's up to them to catch them and want to utilize them. Until they /1
apdskib
Decide to do so, crime rates are going to continue where they're at.
apdskib
/3 released to the poor environment they committed crimes in, it's almost sad. They never had much of a chance to begin with.
ajoutezen
Which is why we look towards improving our society to a point where that environment doesn't exist/perpetuate as much negative activity.
SavageRancor
Exactly but that's not the prison systems responsibility...
ajoutezen
In a way it both should and shouldn't be. I agree with proper consequences for actions, but if we do nothing to actually rehabilitate (1/?)
ajoutezen
needs to rehabilitate the individual people that might perpetuate or restore that same, toxic environment. Just saying "not my job" (4/?)
ajoutezen
anybody, then we're not really fixing anything. Just spending money, really. We just repeat offenders who are complicit with that (2/?)
ajoutezen
environment and no actual progress. It's largely Society's responsibility to fix a toxic environment, but it's the prison industry who (3/?)
ajoutezen
doesn't actually solve anything. Make it "your job". Contribute to reform and process, don't just pass the buck. (5/5)
SavageRancor
2/2 returning so they dont fall into the same trap
ajoutezen
I would agree that no good could be guaranteed when presenting any rehabilitated purpose back into the environment that corrupt them. (1/2)
ajoutezen
But the change would need to begin from within AND without--as simultaneously as it could be. Society is a complex beast like that. (2/2)
SavageRancor
1/2 you're absolutley right and i 100% agree. but i think our governments need to look at how we can remove these envronments for the people
sg3s
He is right. In west/northern Europe that is more or less what's happening too...
MidiArbite
Of course when they do meet actual evil fanatics they try to have them committed as nuts because their prison system can't handle evil.
MidiArbite
See that child killing Nazi fuck in Norway that fought to get declared sane so he couldn't be indefinitely held under sedation.
edgareplekjekk
If declared insane he would not be indefinitely held under sedation.
Cere4l
wonder for how long... in the netherlands i meet more and more people who say the police and justice system needs to be rougher
Letstriptogether
Stop meeting stupid ignorant people.
Cere4l
i fix pcs, being stupid is kinda one of the things virtually all my customers share. a requirement if you wish
MikeTornado
But ours are PRIVATE ! Yeeeey, Murica!
MichaelCrack
If it making a massive profit there is simply no motive to stop.
seeingsalty
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37124183
TakWriterOfWorlds
I've heard there some countries that have motives other than profit. Never seen it in real life.
Hybris51129
Also if there are inner city cultures that celebrate going to prison then that also makes it hard to stop because natural demand.
MonocledTiger
That's where the federal government ought to step in. The private sector has no business profiting off of the backs of inmates.
DrippySpaffMungeBimp
All federal prisons have been purged of private companies. But most prisons are state run, and a conservative government won't be 1/2
DrippySpaffMungeBimp
Putting pressure on states to rid themselves of privately run prisons.
MonocledTiger
Especially not under the self-proclaimed "Law and order" candidate. It's a sad state of affairs, only looking to get worse from Jan 20.
EastCoastMC
Prison shouldn't be about locking up bad guys and throwing away the key; it should be about rehabilitating people.
heyimmiles
aint no money in that. wont happen. until the govt stops incentivizing private prisons to be at max capacity.. nothing will change.
azazyel
And not for profit
varsil
I could see a way to let them run for profit: Pay them based on the recidivism rate. Low recidivism = more cash.
azazyel
Instead they use the inmates as slave labor
Postoolio711
That's tough to do though
aWiseSageOnceSaid
Not really, we throw so damn much money at the for profits, and they way the for profits are set up we could cut cost by just reforming them
Postoolio711
I guess it's really not, idk why I even said that, reading everyone's comments back now I disagree with myself
aWiseSageOnceSaid
But the contracts in place make that impossible. We have such a sad broken system
NtaLzr
Hey, rehab doesn't sound so bad!
MatthewEis
Also no one wants to let someone's past go even if they go through the system.
CommanderWilliamTRiker
I'd argue that it totally depends.
imanatheistdebateme
We've tried that, and still are. Rehab doesn't work when the societal influences enabling crime still exist. Failing rehab, punishment.
tomyironmane
That isn't just the prison system. They're just the ones who were fool enough to sign for the problem last.
itsybitsyspider
Not all prisoners can be rehabilitated. Prison should still be an option for those. And there rehabilitation systems out there. They just --
itsybitsyspider
-- emphasized and reformed.
WilWheatonStoleMyButtplug
Step 1 in getting a person to change: They have to WAN to change.
MacroManJr
You assume all crime is illness. Nonsense. You can't "rehabilitate" certain things like rapists who murder kids. Those cases need penalty.
WhyShouldILoveYou
You assume he assumes that. Obviously some people are beyond help. However rehabilitation seems to work mostly well in say, Scandinavia.
tarrbot
Unfortunately, the prison system is nothing more than a higher education system for criminal behavioral learning.
MadDrDrillBit
yeah, everyone's innocent in the clink. Thay all tell u "it wuz sum bullshit".
BatsuitsNipples
And a slave labor system when they're making stuff at 5 cents an hour for the private companies running them
candycane2011
A system on West Coast is teaching them to "change their hustle" with MBAs. Step in the right direction in terms of learning
BeAGrape
Wow, never thought about it that way. +1
tarrbot
I was a volunteer in the Texas prison system 20 years ago. I, unfortunately, know too much about prisons.
ffilm
By the time they get to prison, they've been through half-a-dozen rehabs. Or more. Prison is the last step in a long line of being trouble.
candycane2011
This is the reason I am going into corrections but as a psychiatrist. To rehabilitate the 50% or so with mental illness so they (1/?)
candycane2011
hopefully won't get back in once out. So many of the issues can begin to be solved with mental health prison reform.
Rimgrimner
You should take a look at the norwegian prison system :)
B99Reactions
The majority cannot be rehabilitated, and if there is any hope that they can be, it will require a lot of funds coming from you and others
szepasszony
There is a tiny percentage of the population that really shouldn't be in public. But nowhere near the number we actually have in prison.
madgodrhinoprime
Some people just can't be rehabilitated.
Belatorius
But the profits!
BushelOfLabeouf
That was my thesis in college. It's insane how much more likely a prisoner is to change with rehabilitative treatment, no matter the crime
BushelOfLabeouf
Of course you'll still get people that won't change because no systems perfect, but that doesn't make it not worth doing
zamuy12479
3 purposes of a prison: separate inmates from society, act as punishment, and rehabilitate them to be a better part of society upon release.
GadenKerensky
Some people, however, cannot BE rehabilitated. Some people legitimately will not 'get better' or reform. They will kill for fun forevermore.
Leelaaaaaaa
Just because there are some that can't be rehabilitated doesn't mean that we should give up on everyone who goes to prison
GadenKerensky
Absolutely not. Most are a product of their circumstances, but some people, a rare few, cannot be helped, and don't want to be. The Jokers.
myrealnameisginger
I believe that is also true for pedophiles.
GadenKerensky
True. But even I have mixed opinions about that. They can't be cured, but they haven't killed anyone. If they have, their life is in doubt.
coloradostoneman
there are Very few "pure killers" born.
GadenKerensky
Personally, those that are that are caught honestly SHOULD be executed. Too dangerous to be allowed to live, rather than a punishment.
coloradostoneman
that is a place you and i will never agree.
GadenKerensky
So you wouldn't have someone killed after they personally killed dozens of innocent people and handed themselves in for the amusement of it?
Optimushroom
One thing that is often misunderstood about the norwegian prison system is that people think the highest sentence is 20 years in jail. 1/?
Optimushroom
But what many don't know is that at the end of that 20-year period, the convict undergoes tests to determine whether he/she is fit for 2/?
Optimushroom
release back into society, and if not, the 20-year sentence can be renewed indefinitely. 3/3
MisterSausage
There are people who are beyond rehabilitation or at the very least aren't worth the trouble. (Dahmer, Gacy, Bundy, etc.)
coloradostoneman
yeah, but they are pretty few and far between. most people commit crimes because it seems to make sense at the time.
Leelaaaaaaa
Those are maybe like 1% of people in prison, the rest can be helped
Rifneno
1-Dahmer looney tunes. Didn't they put him on meds and he was as horrified as everyone else at what he did? Regardless, the system
Rifneno
*Dahmer was looney tunes. Opps.
wizardboy24
Dang. I thought you had a really great idea for a cartoon series.
Rifneno
2-shouldn't be designed around the worst few dozen assholes. We should try to fix the 1000X more that CAN be fixed.
MisterSausage
I get your point, but I disagree. The system should be built with the worst in mind since it's those worst ones that (1/3)
MisterSausage
could potentially use the idealized system proposed to get out and start up again. In the end a system (2/3)
omegaentity
Pedophiles, for one. Fuck those monsters.
Kaysmira
I think we should be open to preventing it, if you could get help and agree to precautions, SOME would do it. But many are beyond that.
omegaentity
Pedophilia isn't something that can be cured, and many of the treatments don't work, including chemical castration.
Kaysmira
No, but we have to come up with a better way than what we're doing currently, because our current system sucks.
WhyShouldILoveYou
^Pedophiles are sick and some of them acknowledge that. If people weren't ready to kill just hearing the word, some of them might get help.
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dangledeez
I've worked in a federal prison complex for about 7 years. Most of these chomos, gangbangers, and murderers are right where they belong.
Dontyouforgetitdirt
If there is no point in releasing them. Then they just need to be euthuanized.
dangledeez
There's plenty that have 100 incidents of masturbating on staff or assault and are of no use society or even have a desire to leave prison.
dangledeez
And your taxes gives these menaces free education, healthcare, pool tables, flat screens, and all the recreation they could want.
HarryHamwallet
i agree but some need to be locked up and throw away the key...
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
Here in Holland we have high security institutions for the criminally insane which are very strict and usually for the rest of their lives
Unbeaten11
Not to mention extremely low prison occupation to the point where some prisons have to import prisoners.
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
I have not heard about that. Unless you're making a lame joke about converting prisons to house refugees (and/or homeless iirc)...
Unbeaten11
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/01/norwegian-inmates-sent-to-dutch-prison-cells-too-full
aWiseSageOnceSaid
Well... better mental health treatment, and early recognition. But that is going down another rabbit hole
pilojo
There are some beyond rehabilitation. Namely psychopaths. You cant force someone who doesn't understand emotion/morals to feel them.
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
Very few psychopaths are actually murderers or whatnot. And the murder phase can be prevented if they get noticed by society/healthcare.
yelwing
WRONG. Keep em there until they're old and gray. That works. Rehabilitation is a myth and expensive. Have a heart for the victims, not turds
PmMeWeirdPorn
Look at the prison system we have in Norway. Yes, it is expensive but we have one of the lowest crime rate in the world.
yelwing
Not much cultural mixing in Norway I'm guessing. Come to Hollywood California and look around. The USA is a complexed beast
Maxgussam
You are absolutely right! There is a point where these scum should simply be killed, and the problem is solved. Down vote away punks!
creatineshits
Who gets to pick when the scum get killed?
pilojo
Obviously you don't look at rehabilitation models in Europe. They have lower reincarceration rates and fewer prison suicides. It's effective
yelwing
Apples and Oranges. I can't speak for other states, but in Ca. we have let it get out of control. Poss. Of a stolen gun gets you a ticket
pilojo
Not apples and oranges. Human psychology is constant, no matter where you grew up. The current us prison model makes people worse.
aWiseSageOnceSaid
God I didn't realize how real a stereotype Pornstach from "Orange is the New Black" is
crazyhornedlizardlady
Mr Trump is that you?
yelwing
Nope, just a guy who deals with these turds and has become wise. Have compassion, but aim it towards the victims.
crazyhornedlizardlady
I was just making a joke about your use of wrong.
DamnedAustin
This should be the view of everybody working in the justice system. From top to bottom.
ThatswhatIwasthinking
That's what I was thinking
Dubrtd
And Social Welfare.
whathefak
As a law student, I have to say that this is not going to happen, probably ever
phantomdreamer
I'd say that, for the most part, it is. The problem is that there it's just an over abundance of laws that must be enforced.
TheThingNoNotThatOne
Trust me, the less people reoffend, the less work everyone has to do, something everyone in the criminal justice system wants.
Electriccarsbestcars
Not if it's private prison companies like the CCA. They make more money off recidivism
TheThingNoNotThatOne
Private prisons (which only cover ~25% of inmates)? Yes. Nearly everyone else in the system? No.
justhereforthebewbs
Too much profit in it, unfortunately.
sneakysneakysoysauce
And yet it is not
ISupportYourViews
But jobs! - Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin, and every police union and private prison company.
sometimesiforgetdelawareisastate
U can't make te j system responsible for ending crime. Only reacting to it. There are too many factors of crime that are out of cj influen
seijirou
That's not the point. The issue is the system rewards incarceration, but does not reward aquttal. So there's unnatural pressure to convict
seijirou
and too often this means the truth doesn't matter.
aznkid30
Not just the justice system. Ideally everyone should do their job so well that they put themselves out of business. Justice, medical, etc.
BeckyLookAtHerButt
If people would just stop getting sick or hurt or old, maybe medical could go out of business.
aznkid30
That's the dream. No one wants to get hurt or sick enough to seek medical attention.
sometimesiforgetdelawareisastate
No it shouldn't. This is stupid. It's not the justice systems responsibility to deter crime
Electriccarsbestcars
The prison system should be aiming for 0% recidivism. It's around 90% in the US right now
IgniaEternale
The Justice system's entire raison d'etre is to deter crime. Seriously?
sometimesiforgetdelawareisastate
No it isnt. It's to respond to crime. Its a product of crime.
IgniaEternale
So, what's the difference between Justice and revenge? The goal of harsh punishment has been to deter crime. Since the Code of Hammurabi?
TheBigMic
As a cop, FFS I AGREE!!! Faaaar too little of this type of thinking in this damn profession!
balzanya
as a (state) CO I completely agree too. It's the privatized prisons that make everyone of us in the justice system look horrible.
MagicUmbrellas
The justice system exists to make money, not to serve justice
wartoaster
What are we, the justice system?
sneakysneakysoysauce
Well it does both. In a self serving kind of way. We created the matrix. Don't forget that.
MagicUmbrellas
Yea do you think the creators of the matrix made it to be super fair and efficient? Or did they make it to produce maximum yield?
sneakysneakysoysauce
Maximum yield seems pretty effecient to me
MagicUmbrellas
That's what I said. Justice department works for money not good feelings
IgniaEternale
Unless your Corrections Corporation of America. A fabulous investment opportunity with near 90% recidivism.
fbutt09
Sparru
And for that reason everything in the justice system, including prisons should be government owned and not for profit.
Bortus
I agree, but I feel like a hypocrite. If I were in a position to reduce the amount of criminals in my prison or get a bonus...
DamnedAustin
I hear you there. I don't put the blame on lower-level employees. The system itself needs to change.
Bortus
Exactly. Its not one bad dude making things shit, its thousands of employees that would rather money than morality.
creekjumper
That's how the fire department operates! We conduct fire prevention a few times a year!
howaboutnothankyouverymuch
Privatized prisons will never work this way. They need to go.
stabbedintheface
Not in Trumptopia!
override367
Sadly the incoming president is basically going to rely on unconstitutional crackdowns to enforce a tighter police state
Croso
Like the last one, great.
sneakysneakysoysauce
Bazinga. I like both of these comments for anyone wondering. Not that you are. But if you were reading this. I'm pooping right now.
UrsaUrsa
I hope you had a satisfying poop :D
BitchButcher
AND everyone in the military!
andrewtater
Well, we can't control if we need to get sent somewhere. But it is our goal to make sure we only have to get sent there once...
thebiglizard
if only it were also the view of the people who constantly break the law....
AnAverageBrazillian
As someone studyng to be a doctor, in the medical field too. Lives aren't business
TheRealLordPickle
How about, people stop breaking the law.
bendap
Yes, also stop being poor.
raidleadergutts
THIS! I mean, if people are poor, why don't they just buy some more money?!
DocStrangeLuv
How about, you shut up and think. That's why penalties should aim to be *rehabilitative*
CuddleWings
Congrats on single-handedly stopping all crime. You really did it
MissSpelledTattoo
Amen. Not making a moneymaking operation out of contracting out prison cinstruction and service.
AtLeastWereNotDetroit
Privatization of public services.
CanadaEhBuddy
One reason Canada dosnt have private prisons
pilojo
I find it crazy that in the US, States can overrule federal law. Federally, prisons can't be privatized in the states. But each state can
pilojo
Overrule that law. It's just so illogical to me that an area can basically say "no, I don't like this country's laws. I'll make my own"
CaptCanada
because the united states were founded on the concept of locle rule, many founding fathers hated the concept of a federal government 1/2
CheddarbunPepperjack
As soon as you make prisions a buisiness, you make prisoners a commodity.
MissSpelledTattoo
Increase supply (commodity) to sustain demand
adadsupreme
I have heard (which could be hearsay) that some states use 3rd grade literacy numbers as a metric for future prison construction.
CheddarbunPepperjack
They should use ut to fix their schools budgets
aPokal
Not a useless metric for that prediction, honestly. It's probably most if not all education scoring. I would put rate of automatization in.