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While there is no reason to discount the claim put out there by Anthony Rapp, I have a significant problem with how "scandals" of this type were handled.
Rather than acting on a claim or claims backed with any kind of proof, Neflix decided to cancel House of Cards and put hundreds of people out of a job based on a claim. In this situation, I believe a hiatus of the show would be more appropriate.
I have read hundreds of comments of people saying something to the extent of "Well, I've heard rumors about Spacey for years, so it has to be true." There is no evidence at all this happened.
In no way am I going after Rapp for speaking out and it's horrifying if that did happen to him, or anyone else for that matter.
TLDR: People aren't guilty of crimes unless there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, don't rush to judgement.
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gamblingpoet
Hollywood parties are weird. You apparently are groomed to never say no, because it can end your career before it even gets started.
RoTTonSKiPPy
House of cards, indeed...
WorstRingStingEver
Trial by mob. All the rage these days.
zma123456
Trial by media, but trial by internet is worse. One scandal even if it's bogus, and you are done for, unless you are like Trump.
AgentChicago
I mean he didn't deny it when he made a statement, he said he didn't recall it and then he apologized in case he did. I agree with you.
AgentChicago
But he king of shot himself in the foot.
Raguleader
He *president of shot himself in the foot.
DPHENS
I'm so glad that country became a full democracy.
LilJonBoat
In no way should he have even made it appear as a possibility that he did it. I don't think a PR rep ever read over the tweet he sent.
AgentChicago
Yea that was all him, his PR rep would have never let him send that out.
zato
It's because he did do it. And he's using his coming out as a smokescreen for him banging teenage boys.
ihaveerectiledysfunctionandiamproud
You don't deserve the hate, it's blatantly obvious that he decided to finally come out to overshadow this, which worked pretty well.
CountSnarkula
Guilty until proven innocent
idonthaveanaccount
I guess the lesson is he should have denied everything and attacked the victim's character.
jrhawk42
That's the lesson most will take away. The real lesson is that he's the only one taking it seriously & the rest of the world is a PR circus.
UrKungFuNoGood
I think we should give him exactly the same benefit of doubt that we give Trump. Nah? lol
LilJonBoat
Yet another case where there is zero proof of the sexual allegations made against him.
UrKungFuNoGood
I haven't followed it but until it goes to trial and he's convicted I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Like everyone deserves.
LilJonBoat
Exactly! The reasonable thing to do. And you're right, my Kung Fu is just awful.
UrKungFuNoGood
Patience grasshopper
ScreechingMedic
He's completely done now. All it took was one accusation and mob mentality. I'm not defending him
AManWhoWasntThere
So, there's no point in starting House of Cards now?
FustyLugs
Numerous outlets say that it was already on the chopping block but they had pressure to announce now..tho I do agree this whole guilty till
FustyLugs
Proven innocent crap is getting outta hand. But when you live and get rich in the public eye prepare to get tried in court of public opinion
grunt11b126
Netflix has been in deep debt for a long time. Too many shows to produce. Found their perfect “out” with this series today
LuciferRattlehead
so how many people are out of a job because Netflix made their decision based on the media and not the justice system?
JarJarDrinks
I am still outraged they cancelled Pee Wee's show. What he did was trivial by today's standards and the kids weren't even told why.
BroDidYouEvenTryBro
No one thought of the children!
LilJonBoat
I mean, multiple people saw and corroborated a claim of Reubens whacking it in a porn theater.
JarJarDrinks
The only people hurt were the kids who wondered why their favorite show was suddenly cancelled.
LilJonBoat
While I kinda agree, someone who illegally performs sex acts in a public place probably shouldn't host a kids show on tv.
Isuckatbeingagirl
It was in a porn theatre. Not a park. No minors were involved in any way.
LilJonBoat
I agree! Let's put it this way: I don't think anyone convicted of a sex crime should be featured in the media.
Isuckatbeingagirl
Seems like a reasonable place to do that, actually.
LilJonBoat
I kinda agree. The type of person who'd go to a porn theater would probably be okay with seeing a stranger blow their load down the aisle.
Raguleader
It is worth noting that Spacey's response wasn't a denial, but to say that he doesn't remember at all and apologizes if he did that. (1/2)
Raguleader
As for why he doesn't remember, it was 30 years ago and he claims he was likely very drunk. Alcohol is dangerous, kids. (2/2)
LilJonBoat
I don't even know why he would leave the door open to this speculation by not vehemently denying it. Unless he thinks it's something he did.
Downvotemepussy
He probably knows he did it. I recall someone else saying that a lot of people had a Kevin spacey story. And then the family guy bit.
Raguleader
I think he thinks it's something he possibly did. If he was as drunk as he claims, he can't really say one way or the other what he did.
PhilMcrevice
No, as soon as these allegations surfaced, emergency meeting with Spacey, you do it? Ya. Ok, season 6 and it's over. K bye...
fuckyouimguryoufuckingfuck
it's not about 'guilty' when the name is the product, the perception is reality
HomelingRazor
The reason they cancelled HoC was because they were looking for a reason to. It's made its money and everyone wants to move on.
LilJonBoat
Then why not just outright cancel it? Doesn't make sense to me.
zma123456
Netflix said they were already planning on cancelling the show. The last season was wack, and I was not planning on watching the next.
CigaretteMan
I mean, Netflix did state that one was not related to the other. Maybe I'm naive in taking that at face value, but there doesn't really (1)
CigaretteMan
seem like they have an incentive to lie about that, when they could've just as easily said it was because of the accusations. (2)
Loki85
Mob mentality
Bronymous
Nobody has time for due process or ecidence any more, everyone just jumps on the hate bandwagon so no one thinks they support criminals.
Bronymous
Its like the opposite of politics, where everyone supports their own criminal vs the other criminal.
SomethingSomethingTraLaLa
The better question is would people believe him more if it were a woman instead. Replace with 14 year old girl, see how the story looks.
SomethingSomethingTraLaLa
Too often men are seen as less capable to be victims. We should listen to victims first because they're less believed .
LilJonBoat
I don't know why anyone would believe the claim more or less based on gender. You can both believe Rapp and understand KS is still innocent.
SomethingSomethingTraLaLa
This case, where it's a young boy, is an entirely different dynamic in victim perception. You're joking yourself if you think otherwise.
LilJonBoat
I never said there wasn't, although I don't understand why there might be. Never said it didn't happen, we just have no proof that it did.
SomethingSomethingTraLaLa
I'm afraid people are requiring more proof for Spacey than other famous people because he's so beloved. Even our idols can be wrong.
LilJonBoat
There should be actual proof in every case, celebrity or gender notwithstanding! I could care less about Spacey's work. Haha.
SomethingSomethingTraLaLa
And I really dearly love Spacey. But this is a wrong case from every angle, and is symptom of a larger issue in young, gay men in Hollywood>
SomethingSomethingTraLaLa
Being used and abused by powerful actors and producers. He wasn't clean before this, it's coming out.
JPre35
private company allowed to make decisions they see fit.. I have 0 problem with this... now if he was being arrested very different story
LilJonBoat
Fair enough. As a libertarian, I tend to agree with that idea. However, firing Spacey seems to be more appropriate, rather dumping all.
JPre35
But happy to see another libertarian on imgur.. very rare breed indeed
LilJonBoat
Get the government out of my paycheck and bong. Voted for that goofy bastard Johnson and still don't regret it, somehow.
JPre35
i did as well, didnt represent all of my ideals but neither do dem or reps.. need a multiparty system
JPre35
I mean why? Shows get cancled for less all the time.. sometimes halfway through the series. Or after 2 episodes.. why not have the same
JPre35
Sentiment for the 30 that will be this season?
LilJonBoat
The show is still extremely popular! Announcing the ending a month or two from now, assuming it's proven this happened and combined with 1/2
LilJonBoat
Another decent reason seems far more appropriate. Ending a moneymaker for an indebted company doesn't seem too smart. 2/2