May 19, 2016 10:13 PM
ThisGirlWhoPlaysGames
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waitwhatidontgetitexplainitslowly
what a pretentious asshole
justagrumpydude
It will take you a sweet minute, but I would suggest Atlas Shrugged as well. Also Alas Babylon isn't half bad and is a very easy read.
jackbos
"The complete, self-important douchebag's guide to literacy"
junk4u
What about HGTTG? It literally has THE answer in it.
zma123456
Correction, books that every person should at least read once in their life time not because some celeb sci-guy read them.
AMartianPotato
Is that not exactly what he's saying? Where does he say "you should read these because I did"?
CockOfTheNorth
Plato's Republic and if you haven't already, Fahrenheit 451
HouseOfEvil
Don't forget "The Call of Cthulhu" by H.P. Lovecraft, to learn that 1/2
We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. 2/2
malexmatt
I feel like he hasn't actually ever read Wealth of Nations. He certainly hasn't read ToMS, in light of which his summary makes no sense
noahstoffel
I'm not sure Tyson understands the meaning of the arguments made in the wealth of nations...
bond100
All mankind should seek neither conservationism nor progressiveness, but Enlightenment.
LeavesThingsUnfinished
I feel like every intelligent person is smart enough to know what to read to expand their knowledge and don't need suggestions.
theeconomistnonotthatone
I think suggestions are fine. I just ignore the editorializing unless I really trust the recommender's analysis or subject area knowledge.
benisoyylmao
hardly. you dont aquire knowledge in a vaccum.
Lupine1982
I disagree, I consider myself intelligent but am sometimes paralyzed with indecision because I get stuck trying to chess plan out each path.
But do you at least know which genres you like or which topics you want to delve in? Thats enough to get you going, the indecision will pass
CapsShield
No mein kampf? Such a let down.... XP
CyrilConnolly
Don't forget Animal Farm, one of the classics imho.
Itisseventyalonghere
That's not at all the lesson of The Wealth of Nations. Jesus. Have you read it?
fappingsloth
Its.a.fucking.joke.
FraudulentPepsi
9. Interview with a Vampire (public library;gas station audio book) by Anne Rice, to learn how to hide your ego in a false veil of intellect
Steever1
Savage
Isthisatest
One vampire book I will read
dav3nasty
I watched the movie, does that count?
candar
Ayyyo this guy
DoctorDankenstein
Why don't you guys like Neil?
notme222
For starters: https://np.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/4bwshx/why_are_people_so_mean_to_neil_degrasse_tyson_on/d1daa05?context=4
flapperfemmefatale
people always bash me on here for choosing a non-STEM field. why is Tyson's bashing so special?
A lot of the things people do on the internet would make them social pariahs if they did it in person.
Honestly, there are only 140 characters available here.
:/ He may not be the BEST scientist but he does try to educate the general public...
meatcactus
Narcissism basically sums it up
NerfHerderTurdBurglar
When you read these 8 books just right http://imgur.com/J26Ku7N
wwtwo
The Bible is fascinating. People have been trying to control or destroy it forever and it's still there in its pure form.
Throrf
Well, pure-ish.
BrotherEstapol
Wasn't there meant to be a gospel from Mary Magdalene that was expunged?
caboops
Not trying to be contrary, but if you look into the oldest manuscripts found, it really is uncanny the accuracy of current texts.
The process of collecting the books of the bible was highly selective but you're right. It only became THE bible once they were collected :D
stoffo
What's so uncanny? Why would they be much different? Hasn't happened with other ancient texts neither.
http://www.equip.org/article/the-bibliographical-test-updated/
well, it actually has. Early manuscripts of the writings of Homer, for instance, have far mare errors from repeated transcription.
Alright, fair enough, but still hardly surprising. Homer is a.) 1000yrs older, b.) hasn't been copied all the time
d240vergara
The Art of War is about avoiding killing as much as possible
ianbopno
He and that science guy twat are insufferable pseudo know-it-alls.
followthewhiterabbit
seconding that1
seentoomuchdeath
Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark: Carl Sagan. Guns, Germs and Steel, Jared Diamond.
uchronia
➀: ooh can we make this a thing? yes yes, of course. fuck correcting all this glib-ass bullshit Neil DeDiscount Sagan spews every other week
➄: so if you really wanna tear Discount Science Man down forever, just keep nonchalantly rejecting his bull by deferring to better shit
➁: cause clearly he feels perfectly entitled to it no matter how many times he fucks up, speaks on a subject he knows absolutely fuckall
➂: about with absurd pomp + airs of supreme authority, etc. why? cause he's vain af. but there's one thing vanity will never get him, the
➃: grad school drop-out who always say himself as an entertainer, and that's *anything even close* to a body of work like his idol sagan's.
*saw
➅: sagan already said or wrote about it.
Huh. I think you really dislike DeDiscount. :)
TheRicM
What a pompous view of the Bible
ChronologicalMyopia
Religion is very much exactly that. Want to know how to think about a subject you find uncomfortable? LGBT? Bingo Lev 18:22, done.
The Bible is not religion though, the Bible is a book
To be honest most protestant Christians see our faith as a relationship with the creator of the universe.
RevolutionOnHerLips
Also https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+3%3A16-17&version=NIV
Cool. But what are you saying in terms of this discussion thread? Can you elaborate a bit pls? Thx
He's saying the bible is Christian religion, it says it right there in the book. See? Easy peasy. No room for argument or pesky thoughts.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
97AjentK
He also tells you that SpaceX would never go to Mars on a privately funded mission, yet they're launching one in the next transfer window...
FuturePerfectTense
Hmm yes, shallow and pedantic.
Yetiphobia
I feel that this list insists on itself.
TastyButts
http://imgur.com/baHZ8qj
hyperghoul
Ironically, this list tells you what to think...
Anwinity
Eh looks to me more like a directory to some influential writings to help you make your own educated opinion, or at least understand these i
coflounder
Pretty obvious you didn't finish this list.
Shrekhead
Well dont tell me everything you believe in came from your own thoughts...
MrAwesomesauce101
I'm not religious but the bible should be read anyways to get the many biblical references in our society and culture in literature.
FreakFrank
No, it tells you what to read and why you should read it.
popejubal
This list tells you how to think, not what to think. The list only tells you what to do.
nlaw1013
Thank you.
Linhtendo
no motherfucker, you form your own opinion based ob the books.
FederalMemeReserve
Exactly.
wellju
Thinking is not the noble readers Forte...
DaneBrass
No - he's telling you what you'll learn. What you choose to think or opinion-ate on the subject is still subjective.
Example: you can LEARN about the story of Adam & Eve and still think it's bullshit.
JoshLeijs
No, black science man could never push his belief structure on anyone!
PoeKneeTa
"Science man."
ialwaysupvotesith
This made my night.
Cereaza
I think the point is more that these help you understand how others think, making you more conscious of your own choices and education.
dundundunnnn
Less what to think, more how to think. None of the descriptions point to a conclusion, just an end.
lostXhighway
A lot of people get the "what" and "how" confused with this topic lol
pretty sure some were being purposely obtuse.
Well, that too! Haha
SirGigglyBits
The bible tells you how to think though, so the argument is still the same.
notaballoon
That's an extremely narrow and uncritical reading of the bible.
tell that to the numerous sects it's inspired.
silencewillfallwhenthequestionisasked
But it tells what you are supposed to take from each reading, rather than letting you take what you will. Especially the Bible one.
chrismofer
nobody reads "the art of war" to learn cake recipes. they read it to learn how war can be an art.
books whould have a description of what they discuss, so i know i'm getting a book on what i want to read.
Seems more like hes listing the contextual reasons for giving them. Like the bible example, scholarly readings take effort even w/ disbelief
But when you give me a book and tell me what I should learn from it, are you not telling me how to think?
Not if the conclusions you reach are your own. He did not claim right or wrong for any of the books, even the ones he'd disagree with.
What? The bible is extremely interesting when studied as a piece of literature
Yep, so are many other religious texts. That was largely my point, that he's at least encouraging people to look for themselves.
libaf
This. Good books, but get your own lessons from them. Art of War for example is not about killing.
Kind of wondering why tao te ching is missing :o I guess that'd make it 9 books.
TheSpooniestFeeling
I beg to differ, some of this books are opposites from one another, I think what he says is don't be afraid to challenge your beliefs/ideas.
MrTiT00N
I dissagree, it's your own decision as to what you take from these books. For example some might see as to why the bible has such inpact.
PositiveX96
my thoughts exactly.
SpanCoin365
He is literally saying if your smart, read these books. Now here is the lesson you should learn from reading it.
I was commenting on the fine gentleman his opinion on these books telling you how to think, not on the Scientist his thoughts on the books.
ahhh, got it, I must have misread. my apologies.
No worries.
MaybelineforHikers
'The Shortness of Life' - Seneca The Younger, 'Man's Search For Meaning' - Viktor E. Frankl
DistanceGirl
I love "on the shortness of life". It's so beautiful.
MimzytheBun
Nestle a little '.' in here.
MarckW
He is pure ass. Ass with mustard sauce. Stinky ass with mustard sauce and tobassco.
For real, fuck this dude
HeWentToJaredButNotJaredFromSubwayCuzHeDidBadStuffImJared
haha
azureraptor
Tobasssssssco. Assssssstronaut. "KENNNNYYYY!!!!"
nobodyinparticular
How so?
RadiumNation
Because he tends to come off as hypocritical. Not to say he is. Just sounds that way slmetimes
RainbowUnicode
Haha just your poetic description gets you my upvote.
ConTonkTen
Pot calling kettle black?
PSIhateyou
But Neil is already black.
notouchingNOTOUCHINGnotouchingNOTOUCHING
*African American. Pot calling the kettle AFRICAN AMERICAN.
Oh great......now i have soda running from my nose and down the from of my shirt....and my phone is sticky! ....thanks Obama!
KingofBurritos69
I was raised a catholic and the Bible taught me more about being compassionate than this nonsense, particularly in the New Testament.
The bible is still an important book to read if you want to analyze literature and recognize patterns in story telling throughout history.
PimpestTown
Srsly. The Bible, where people routinely have questions, don't trust their superiors, so go seeking answers from God themselves? That Bible?
MistaJones20
PREACH
i was raised Protestant and immediately left the faith once i DID sit down to read the Bible.
The Bible has a wealth of interesting paradoxes and golden parables of right conduct in amongst the bull and "Blizzblazz begat Himham" &c.
TheGodsMustBeCrazy
Agreed--ask any pastor or youth pastor (I was raised Christian) about what you read in the Bible and they will gladly talk to you about it--
My point being that reading the Bible doesn't make you believe things just because people told you to--it raises even MORE questions, and--
many Christians will agree that it's healthy to be an independent thinker. My youth pastor loved it when we had questions.
apresminuit
This is in fact official Catholic teaching: the Bible reveals transformational truths, not a series of propositions.
And as a Christian I agreed wholeheartedly with that. I just know that in my experience I've had SO many questions and been confused a lot.
SirGrumps
You won't gain very good insight. With the Bible and maybe a couple others, you actually have to study it in order to understand it. 1/2
Without studying it, it seems ridiculously dumb and hypocritical. Studying it gives the opposite view. 2/2
nanonator
That's the problem with this post. A lot of books here have a greater comprehension level required than many can devote in one read-through.
operationw2
Exactly! Non-religious here. The Bible is a masterwork. I've studied the Old Testament extensively in Uni - full of dense meaning.
Quarantine000
Agreed, the original message of the book of James is hardly comprehensible in English. It's actually a great read in English, but different.
Yaboio
That's another thing. Proper research also means looking up the Greek and Hebrew. I.e. "though shall not kill"="though shall not murder"
*thou, autocorrect got me
waitwhatidontgetitexplainitslowly
what a pretentious asshole
justagrumpydude
It will take you a sweet minute, but I would suggest Atlas Shrugged as well. Also Alas Babylon isn't half bad and is a very easy read.
jackbos
"The complete, self-important douchebag's guide to literacy"
junk4u
What about HGTTG? It literally has THE answer in it.
zma123456
Correction, books that every person should at least read once in their life time not because some celeb sci-guy read them.
AMartianPotato
Is that not exactly what he's saying? Where does he say "you should read these because I did"?
CockOfTheNorth
Plato's Republic and if you haven't already, Fahrenheit 451
HouseOfEvil
Don't forget "The Call of Cthulhu" by H.P. Lovecraft, to learn that 1/2
HouseOfEvil
We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. 2/2
malexmatt
I feel like he hasn't actually ever read Wealth of Nations. He certainly hasn't read ToMS, in light of which his summary makes no sense
noahstoffel
I'm not sure Tyson understands the meaning of the arguments made in the wealth of nations...
bond100
All mankind should seek neither conservationism nor progressiveness, but Enlightenment.
LeavesThingsUnfinished
I feel like every intelligent person is smart enough to know what to read to expand their knowledge and don't need suggestions.
theeconomistnonotthatone
I think suggestions are fine. I just ignore the editorializing unless I really trust the recommender's analysis or subject area knowledge.
benisoyylmao
hardly. you dont aquire knowledge in a vaccum.
Lupine1982
I disagree, I consider myself intelligent but am sometimes paralyzed with indecision because I get stuck trying to chess plan out each path.
LeavesThingsUnfinished
But do you at least know which genres you like or which topics you want to delve in? Thats enough to get you going, the indecision will pass
CapsShield
No mein kampf? Such a let down.... XP
CyrilConnolly
Don't forget Animal Farm, one of the classics imho.
Itisseventyalonghere
That's not at all the lesson of The Wealth of Nations. Jesus. Have you read it?
fappingsloth
Its.a.fucking.joke.
FraudulentPepsi
9. Interview with a Vampire (public library;gas station audio book) by Anne Rice, to learn how to hide your ego in a false veil of intellect
Steever1
Savage
Isthisatest
One vampire book I will read
dav3nasty
I watched the movie, does that count?
candar
Ayyyo this guy
DoctorDankenstein
Why don't you guys like Neil?
notme222
For starters: https://np.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/4bwshx/why_are_people_so_mean_to_neil_degrasse_tyson_on/d1daa05?context=4
flapperfemmefatale
people always bash me on here for choosing a non-STEM field. why is Tyson's bashing so special?
notme222
A lot of the things people do on the internet would make them social pariahs if they did it in person.
FraudulentPepsi
Honestly, there are only 140 characters available here.
DoctorDankenstein
:/ He may not be the BEST scientist but he does try to educate the general public...
meatcactus
Narcissism basically sums it up
NerfHerderTurdBurglar
When you read these 8 books just right http://imgur.com/J26Ku7N
wwtwo
The Bible is fascinating. People have been trying to control or destroy it forever and it's still there in its pure form.
Throrf
Well, pure-ish.
BrotherEstapol
Wasn't there meant to be a gospel from Mary Magdalene that was expunged?
caboops
Not trying to be contrary, but if you look into the oldest manuscripts found, it really is uncanny the accuracy of current texts.
Throrf
The process of collecting the books of the bible was highly selective but you're right. It only became THE bible once they were collected :D
stoffo
What's so uncanny? Why would they be much different? Hasn't happened with other ancient texts neither.
caboops
http://www.equip.org/article/the-bibliographical-test-updated/
caboops
well, it actually has. Early manuscripts of the writings of Homer, for instance, have far mare errors from repeated transcription.
stoffo
Alright, fair enough, but still hardly surprising. Homer is a.) 1000yrs older, b.) hasn't been copied all the time
d240vergara
The Art of War is about avoiding killing as much as possible
ianbopno
He and that science guy twat are insufferable pseudo know-it-alls.
followthewhiterabbit
seconding that1
seentoomuchdeath
Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark: Carl Sagan. Guns, Germs and Steel, Jared Diamond.
uchronia
➀: ooh can we make this a thing? yes yes, of course. fuck correcting all this glib-ass bullshit Neil DeDiscount Sagan spews every other week
uchronia
➄: so if you really wanna tear Discount Science Man down forever, just keep nonchalantly rejecting his bull by deferring to better shit
uchronia
➁: cause clearly he feels perfectly entitled to it no matter how many times he fucks up, speaks on a subject he knows absolutely fuckall
uchronia
➂: about with absurd pomp + airs of supreme authority, etc. why? cause he's vain af. but there's one thing vanity will never get him, the
uchronia
➃: grad school drop-out who always say himself as an entertainer, and that's *anything even close* to a body of work like his idol sagan's.
uchronia
*saw
uchronia
➅: sagan already said or wrote about it.
seentoomuchdeath
Huh. I think you really dislike DeDiscount. :)
TheRicM
What a pompous view of the Bible
ChronologicalMyopia
Religion is very much exactly that. Want to know how to think about a subject you find uncomfortable? LGBT? Bingo Lev 18:22, done.
TheRicM
The Bible is not religion though, the Bible is a book
caboops
To be honest most protestant Christians see our faith as a relationship with the creator of the universe.
RevolutionOnHerLips
Also https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+3%3A16-17&version=NIV
TheRicM
Cool. But what are you saying in terms of this discussion thread? Can you elaborate a bit pls? Thx
ChronologicalMyopia
He's saying the bible is Christian religion, it says it right there in the book. See? Easy peasy. No room for argument or pesky thoughts.
RevolutionOnHerLips
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
97AjentK
He also tells you that SpaceX would never go to Mars on a privately funded mission, yet they're launching one in the next transfer window...
FuturePerfectTense
Hmm yes, shallow and pedantic.
Yetiphobia
I feel that this list insists on itself.
TastyButts
http://imgur.com/baHZ8qj
hyperghoul
Ironically, this list tells you what to think...
Anwinity
Eh looks to me more like a directory to some influential writings to help you make your own educated opinion, or at least understand these i
coflounder
Pretty obvious you didn't finish this list.
Shrekhead
Well dont tell me everything you believe in came from your own thoughts...
MrAwesomesauce101
I'm not religious but the bible should be read anyways to get the many biblical references in our society and culture in literature.
FreakFrank
No, it tells you what to read and why you should read it.
popejubal
This list tells you how to think, not what to think. The list only tells you what to do.
nlaw1013
Thank you.
Linhtendo
no motherfucker, you form your own opinion based ob the books.
FederalMemeReserve
Exactly.
wellju
Thinking is not the noble readers Forte...
DaneBrass
No - he's telling you what you'll learn. What you choose to think or opinion-ate on the subject is still subjective.
DaneBrass
Example: you can LEARN about the story of Adam & Eve and still think it's bullshit.
JoshLeijs
No, black science man could never push his belief structure on anyone!
PoeKneeTa
"Science man."
ialwaysupvotesith
This made my night.
Cereaza
I think the point is more that these help you understand how others think, making you more conscious of your own choices and education.
dundundunnnn
Less what to think, more how to think. None of the descriptions point to a conclusion, just an end.
lostXhighway
A lot of people get the "what" and "how" confused with this topic lol
dundundunnnn
pretty sure some were being purposely obtuse.
lostXhighway
Well, that too! Haha
SirGigglyBits
The bible tells you how to think though, so the argument is still the same.
notaballoon
That's an extremely narrow and uncritical reading of the bible.
dundundunnnn
tell that to the numerous sects it's inspired.
silencewillfallwhenthequestionisasked
But it tells what you are supposed to take from each reading, rather than letting you take what you will. Especially the Bible one.
chrismofer
nobody reads "the art of war" to learn cake recipes. they read it to learn how war can be an art.
chrismofer
books whould have a description of what they discuss, so i know i'm getting a book on what i want to read.
dundundunnnn
Seems more like hes listing the contextual reasons for giving them. Like the bible example, scholarly readings take effort even w/ disbelief
silencewillfallwhenthequestionisasked
But when you give me a book and tell me what I should learn from it, are you not telling me how to think?
dundundunnnn
Not if the conclusions you reach are your own. He did not claim right or wrong for any of the books, even the ones he'd disagree with.
notaballoon
What? The bible is extremely interesting when studied as a piece of literature
dundundunnnn
Yep, so are many other religious texts. That was largely my point, that he's at least encouraging people to look for themselves.
libaf
This. Good books, but get your own lessons from them. Art of War for example is not about killing.
libaf
Kind of wondering why tao te ching is missing :o I guess that'd make it 9 books.
TheSpooniestFeeling
I beg to differ, some of this books are opposites from one another, I think what he says is don't be afraid to challenge your beliefs/ideas.
MrTiT00N
I dissagree, it's your own decision as to what you take from these books. For example some might see as to why the bible has such inpact.
PositiveX96
my thoughts exactly.
SpanCoin365
He is literally saying if your smart, read these books. Now here is the lesson you should learn from reading it.
MrTiT00N
I was commenting on the fine gentleman his opinion on these books telling you how to think, not on the Scientist his thoughts on the books.
SpanCoin365
ahhh, got it, I must have misread. my apologies.
MrTiT00N
No worries.
MaybelineforHikers
'The Shortness of Life' - Seneca The Younger, 'Man's Search For Meaning' - Viktor E. Frankl
DistanceGirl
I love "on the shortness of life". It's so beautiful.
MimzytheBun
Nestle a little '.' in here.
MarckW
He is pure ass. Ass with mustard sauce. Stinky ass with mustard sauce and tobassco.
TheRicM
For real, fuck this dude
HeWentToJaredButNotJaredFromSubwayCuzHeDidBadStuffImJared
haha
azureraptor
Tobasssssssco. Assssssstronaut. "KENNNNYYYY!!!!"
nobodyinparticular
How so?
RadiumNation
Because he tends to come off as hypocritical. Not to say he is. Just sounds that way slmetimes
RainbowUnicode
Haha just your poetic description gets you my upvote.
ConTonkTen
Pot calling kettle black?
PSIhateyou
But Neil is already black.
notouchingNOTOUCHINGnotouchingNOTOUCHING
*African American. Pot calling the kettle AFRICAN AMERICAN.
fappingsloth
Oh great......now i have soda running from my nose and down the from of my shirt....and my phone is sticky! ....thanks Obama!
KingofBurritos69
I was raised a catholic and the Bible taught me more about being compassionate than this nonsense, particularly in the New Testament.
MrAwesomesauce101
The bible is still an important book to read if you want to analyze literature and recognize patterns in story telling throughout history.
PimpestTown
Srsly. The Bible, where people routinely have questions, don't trust their superiors, so go seeking answers from God themselves? That Bible?
MistaJones20
PREACH
flapperfemmefatale
i was raised Protestant and immediately left the faith once i DID sit down to read the Bible.
Yetiphobia
The Bible has a wealth of interesting paradoxes and golden parables of right conduct in amongst the bull and "Blizzblazz begat Himham" &c.
TheGodsMustBeCrazy
Agreed--ask any pastor or youth pastor (I was raised Christian) about what you read in the Bible and they will gladly talk to you about it--
TheGodsMustBeCrazy
My point being that reading the Bible doesn't make you believe things just because people told you to--it raises even MORE questions, and--
TheGodsMustBeCrazy
many Christians will agree that it's healthy to be an independent thinker. My youth pastor loved it when we had questions.
apresminuit
This is in fact official Catholic teaching: the Bible reveals transformational truths, not a series of propositions.
TheGodsMustBeCrazy
And as a Christian I agreed wholeheartedly with that. I just know that in my experience I've had SO many questions and been confused a lot.
SirGrumps
You won't gain very good insight. With the Bible and maybe a couple others, you actually have to study it in order to understand it. 1/2
SirGrumps
Without studying it, it seems ridiculously dumb and hypocritical. Studying it gives the opposite view. 2/2
nanonator
That's the problem with this post. A lot of books here have a greater comprehension level required than many can devote in one read-through.
operationw2
Exactly! Non-religious here. The Bible is a masterwork. I've studied the Old Testament extensively in Uni - full of dense meaning.
Quarantine000
Agreed, the original message of the book of James is hardly comprehensible in English. It's actually a great read in English, but different.
Yaboio
That's another thing. Proper research also means looking up the Greek and Hebrew. I.e. "though shall not kill"="though shall not murder"
Yaboio
*thou, autocorrect got me