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breakingcode
Queue Monsanto Lobbyists telling GOP leaders (W/$$$'s) that "Free food for poor people ruins the economy & makes people lazy & dependant."
NorfolkEnchantsmate
Vive la différence!
idalacn
in France homeless can be convict for stealing food from the trash of a supermarket
juoji
happened some time ago , the dude stole blanket from the dumpster because he was cold and ended up in jail because he had been violent befor
kissmycamry
In Ontario Canada, I used to work at a walmart bakery and it would kill me to throw 5 carts stuffed with food into the trash compactor daily
WhereNoMan
All Wal-Mart stores are required to donate using GDMS now. Non-shelf stable items get composted. Bakery gets marked down 25% now too.
Judges1515
When I worked at Walmart they had people cut bags open before throwing stuff away to get around these rules.
bigmrt
Crazy that this is actually a thing. We should not be throwing food away.
salmonass
False. Grocer may donate most perishables to food banks. I’ve worked at local FB’s here and groc. stores
TanithRosenbaum
US: "But muh freedom!"
chaosman1989
here in germany we have foodsharing - its an awesome community of people fighting against throwing away still usable food (1)
chaosman1989
we get the unsellable items and distribute them to people who are happy to get them or we use them ourselfs (2)
chaosman1989
unfortunately most of the big supermarkets dont want to participate but even the small supermarkets and bakeries that participate help
chaosman1989
https://foodsharing.de/
stiof95
1) I disagree with banning outright, families such mine used to avail of reduced foods just before they go out since they could not afford
Somanyquestions
Most store still reduce prices before throwing it away. Stores want to sell it before throwing it away. This is for food they cannot sell.
stiof95
2) to feed all 10 of us. Going back over Christmas my Dad said that since the local shops adopted the scheme, he has to spend more on basics
stiof95
Good intentions, really needs to think how it won't hit families like mine that cannot afford much, but dont qualify for food bank
Haubautnau
Where I'm from we try to not throw food away. It usually gets donated. We only throw away junk that's rotten or somehow contaminated
BrownWoim
Worked at a grocery store for a few years. It's amazing the amount of perfectly good food thrown away per DAY
cowpiefatty
Everyone saying expiration dates should really give this a watch. https://youtu.be/Z1rZAT2GtmI.
Somanyquestions
Been dumpster diving for 2 years and I've never eaten so well. The amount of food, let alone luxury food, you find is unreal.
ToriJoanne
I work at a Walmart in NY and we donate to the food bank, as well as compost things like meat and bread.
WhimsicalOne
I work in an IL WM bakery. We donate to local food banks. I literally scanned 15 cases of donations before leaving last night. 4 days worth.
GuW69
Last week I ate a can of soup that "expired" 2015, it was good
Azety
Hello. I'm french and this is true. But we still got a lot of good waste. A lot. While homeless people are starving.
net4trowl
C'est pour ça qu'aux restaux du cœur on se bat toujours
Azety
Même ailleurs. Je suis de Dijon et on a La Carotterie. Qui va être fermée d'ailleurs
BolenArrow
I feel like the frenchies are talkin shit about us guys. I don't like it. (I kid :P)
Azety
But if you insist I can throw some insult : USA is a stupid country
Shelbyfr
Exactement. Je ne vois pas en quoi la France serait un exemple
Azety
Parce que l'herbe est toujours plus verte ailleurs
VodkaReindeer
Finnish people do it voluntarily because we're not fucking animals.
Somanyquestions
A lot of places do it volontarily, just not enough.
thisuserdoesnotexisthere
“Here’s you daily delivery of food that will rot in the next 24 hours!”
Enoan
Getting food every day that goes bad every day would still mean constant access to food
BadBunnyLadyOfRocksTreesAndDirt
Problem is with distribution of waste/leftovers, need storage space and typically a volunteer's time and transportation.
nero4ty2
nero4ty2
most or best stuff in the fewest trips
BadBunnyLadyOfRocksTreesAndDirt
I worked in several bakeries and we would donate the day-olds to charity - but only two days/week when the volunteer would come get it.
Somanyquestions
Same here, a big bakery gives to 4 different charities because they can all only come once a week.
SagFramo
So much for the right of ownership - don't support hunger but this seems quest like a step in the wrong direction..
iwillalwaysupvotecanada
I worked at a kids clothing store. I threw out perfectly good winter jackets because of a tear in the pocket
goodisunpopular
France also banned child beauty pageants so toddlers don't get sexualized. Violating that one can land you 2yrs in prison.
breakingcode
While that's GREAT, you can still pretty much molest any child. (they want to raise that bar to 13) Seriously fucked up prioritization.
MrAnonManfrom4Chan
Why the fuck are the locals all rude! They got their policies on point
juoji
because, well, i'm sure most of us don't know why we are angry, but i know complaining is our national sport, one week after the election1/2
juoji
we started shiting on the new president, this time it was kinda special , it took a month 2/2
playingdead2022
If it is my property I should be able to whatever I want with it including throw it away!
URGLMUGBGGURGL
I thought this was already a thing in Sweden?
FjordFiskursson
It isn't. Not mandated by law, at least. Some stores donate to soup kitchens, of course.
anthonypjo
Guys... when supermarket throw stuff away, it doesnt mean its rotten. It just that the product is ppast from its "best before" date.
kvietela
also f.e. in the Czech Republic they openedd shops that sell exactly these goods for a fraction of the price. which is awesome!
XxOngakuxX
Store I used to work at just marked that stuff down
kvietela
and that is exactly what is wrong, practically anything except dairy and meat can be consumed after the recommended date
Somanyquestions
Dairy can be consumed WAY past the date. Yogurt, cheese and ice cream will last months. Even sealed milk lasts up to a month later.
kvietela
yes, of course, but there are extremely strict regulations there
Somanyquestions
I tried yogurt that was 9 months past the date and I honestly couldn't tell the difference with a fresh one. Kinda scary actually.
aegis27
Yougurt and cheese are quite bacteria resistant because they've already got bacteria which set up shop. Harder for bad bacteria to move in.
Hangman11
its because it changed in its consistence. That counts for the Best Before date. Atleast here where i live.
Somanyquestions
Technically yes, the date shows peak consistence/taste/texture. But frankly I couldn't tell it apart from one I just bought.
lunamunmun
That is usually set by the store itself or the people at a factory. No science or estimation. Just for capital
LeSethX
Or it's ugly or a bent can/box and won't sell
ASneakyTurtle
We used to donate yesterdays donuts to the local nursing home. Until some SJW group attacked us on Facebook for it and we had to stop :-(
Somanyquestions
Worked at Tim Hortons and we gave it away too until they started complaining, so we stopped.
ASneakyTurtle
It was the highlight of my day drop off the donuts in the evening and talking to everyone. They were so nice :-( I miss bringing them donuts
acertainjenesaisquoi
Why stop? What power did they have to not let you do it? Or was it more of a legal thing?
ASneakyTurtle
Legal would have been better. As the boss would have someone to name as the attacker. However it was all online. The internet can be scary
ASneakyTurtle
They temporarily ruined our yelp rating which drives most of our tourist customers and filled our Facebook page with junk rant n bad reviews
acertainjenesaisquoi
Isn't that libel and slander?
ASneakyTurtle
I don’t know, maybe. I went to donut not law school. We have great regular customer who help to raise our yelp review and we are doing well
EverydayIdleness
It's a liability problem in the US i think. If food was donated and was contaminated or rotten, the store could get sued. Yay USA.
r2deeznuts
Doesn't Grocery Outlet buy said food?
hibsta
2 for 2 nursing homes I've worked for will throw away literally pounds of food that no one has touched. 1/2
hibsta
2/2 can't donate it, and CNAs can't take it home
LlamaLingo
So make anyone getting food for free sigb a contract to not sue?
omh1
The issue of getting sued is entirely made up, food donations are completely protected except in cases of gross negligence
omh1
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1791
LPlane2
The Bill Emerson Good Samaritan Act protects people against that. Most people are just lazy.
OkButWhyWereTheyFilming
No, it's not. I managed a food rescue nonprofit. This is a misconception, and it should not be spread, because it stops donations.
lolaluftnagel
I think a lot of it is that shelters dont want to be liable for givingg away food thats "expired". Also do mostshelters have large fridges?
omh1
Food donations that are 'apparently wholesome' are entirely protected under federal law: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1791
lolaluftnagel
Ok so the shelters are protected too. I knew the grocery stores would be under this law but wasnt sure
omh1
It is not, food donations are completely protected under the Bill Emerson Good Samaritan Food Donation Act, they just don't want to pay the
omh1
costs to setup the donations in most cases. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1791
MarkWhoGivesaFukFrom93Tv
When i worked at Chipotle we donated the leftover meats to local charities.
Branmaster4
That's not a governmental or corporate policy. That's the result of litigation-happy people.
omh1
Its just a BS story, Food donations are protected by federal law: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1791
nibbley
myth. i dunno why people keep just blindly believing this crap instead of spending like five minutes looking into it.
insegrevious
Luckily there are no elements of crap you personally blindly believe.
OkButWhyWereTheyFilming
Or why they keep spreading this damaging myth.
inkpod
I wonder if the new(ish) Good Samaritan laws would protect them.
omh1
They do, the federal law completely absolving them of liability has been in place for 20 years, and some states had laws predating that
blackguard89
SIgn a fucking waiver that you accept them as they are then jeez
omh1
No waiver required, they are completely protected by federal law: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1791
normalizetherapy
Here is an analysis of the french law after 1 year: https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2017/03/24/France-s-food-waste-ban-One-year-on
normalizetherapy
Its not really working because it only requires they donate 1%
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Somanyquestions
Source?
missaroo
I work for a candy company, we cant donate our food scraps to farms anymore. I hate seeing all that product go to waste
kissmycamry
same w Canada. Walmart used to, but someone complained after getting rotten food so now they throw out 6 carts full daily from bakery alone
omh1
Both Canada and the US have laws that indemnifies donors who make donations in good faith: https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/94d19
WhereNoMan
Wal-Mart Canada has never stopped donating because of someone complaining. That is a fabrication.
WhereNoMan
Claims are thrown out via bins, not carts. Your story has a lot of holes.
kissmycamry
I worked in the bakery and would bring 3-4 carts, yes carts, as we dont throw FOOD into recycle bins... every morning into the compactor
WhereNoMan
All Wal-Marts in Canada donate to the food bank via GDMS. Shelf stable items only. Non-shelf stable items get composted.
kissmycamry
Yeah, all of bakery is non-stable.. I worked in bakery and we would pull 3-4 CARTS full of food and throw said food into compactor every day
SleezyHamHound
Where I live (Idaho) we have a Good Samaritan law that protects the business in the event of contaminated food. Do other states do this?
ArmlessHoodieDance
Not in New York City, that's for damn sure. There's a special room in Hell for Bloomberg and his ilk.
Dingus2
I'm in Washington and I've worked with people in several places who go around to stores collecting expired food and feeding the poor.
BALKatalo
In Georgia as well. But food waste is everywhere. The only donations are shelf stable things so we don’t have to spare the cooler space.
LittleLassie
I'm in Missouri and the large grocery store I work at was sued for consuming outdated product and ended up having to pay a ridiculous amount
LittleLassie
We no longer donate it for that fact and end up throwing most everything away.
omh1
There is more to that story, because if it was a food donation they had no liability at all: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1791
SomePeopleSayThatCucumbersTasteBetterPickled
this is America, good intentions, common sense, and clearly written laws don't prevent lawsuits. and even if you win, you lose.
Bauxiet
clearly written laws do actually prevent lawsuits. individuals lose because they lack money/knowledge in the first place, companies don't.
SolidLogic
Every state, there are federal protections in place for food donated "in good faith". This was solved decades ago and everyone forgot
Aldryic
No, it just happened before their time and they're too lazy to actually learn their history.
SolidLogic
I agree with you, this is likely true in most cases, but working in the food industry and in the military, I've heard this misconception....
dmax12
If you work in the food industry, this isn't the only misconception you have heard...
SolidLogic
...about liability repeated by too many senior leaders (people 40 yr+) for it to be a recent phenomenon. Ignorance knows no age restriction.
Aldryic
Not surprising actually. That age group didn't have the global (or even regional/local) communications platforms that we do.
SvprHanc
There’s a charity in Michigan, Helping Hands, that gets donations from grocery stores and then hands them out to people.
OkButWhyWereTheyFilming
I managed one in Boston.
SvprHanc
It’s a great charity. I help out at the food kitchen, hand out food. People are so grateful.
killer10347
Implement good Samaritan laws for donated food.
omh1
Done, 22 years ago federally, before that in most states https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1791
killer10347
But we're still having incidents with people getting arrested for donating food.
omh1
Not sure what incidents you're referring to, as someone getting sued for donated food being bad has literally never happened
IEatPussyLikeFatKidEatsCake
What it really comes down to who's going to pay to get the "trash food" to those who need it. You can't just give it away in the store....
WhereNoMan
Food banks are willing to do food drives to stores to do pick ups.
IEatPussyLikeFatKidEatsCake
Otherwise people would just wait for free food day and never buy groceries. Source. I work for a major grocery store
usernameincorrect
This is a very common misconception. No such lawsuit has ever been waged in the US
CraigMorrison5
This is false information. There are no laws and so law suits based on this.
omh1
Technically there is a law, saying you have no liability if you donated food in good faith: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1791
Aysling
This is not true, please stop spreading this kind of misinformation. It's harmful.
TigerWalt
I thought this was debunked by Last Week Tonight, there was never a lawsuit and there are laws protected against donations "in good faith"
WillTheRealObiWanPleaseStandUp
The good faith love only applies to people and not corporations
EverydayIdleness
I was mostly going off why Wal-Mart told us we had to destroy all old/out-of-style stock before tossing it.
StylesRockman
Because Wal-Mart is the foremost authority on legality and ethics
EverydayIdleness
Well their legal department is probably full of lawyers, where as I am not a lawyer. I'm sure they know better than me, or you.
WhereNoMan
Wal-Mart is a 0 waste company. If you were doing what you said, you were going against Head Office policies and that should be reported.
WhereNoMan
Wal-Mart has mandatory donations to the food bank via the GDMS. Claims and Reclamation Associates handle the destruction of unsaleables.
requit
There's never been a recorded case of this happening. Good Samaritan laws protect acts like that.
adamant
There’s a Federal law that protects this behavior. Americans are simply too selfish.
Pimparoo3
Or maybe you just don't here about it.
mineovermatter
You American haters bore me to tears, Ms. Barham -Americanization of Emily.
Jonmbram
I have a feeling this is total BS and stores just don't want to go through the trouble.
Minnakht
Does it have to be donated with a claim it's all good? Pass the liability to the charity if they accept the donation.
omh1
Food donations are 100% protected so long as they are done in good faith https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1791
Minnakht
Not that I expect anything that was being sold on a supermarket's shelves yesterday to have become significantly tainted overnight.
AllThatJazzzzz
Good Samaritan laws- if you did it in good faith, you're fine. We know the risks when we get food boxes.
EverydayIdleness
I'm not a lawyer, but that sounds like the kind of thing that wouldn't be 100% enforceable.
Minnakht
Or sell it to the charity. One dime for the whole truckload, special exclusive offer, provided as is, no warranty, no returns.
BishlamekGurpgork
Why not? The charity serves food, yes? They pass health inspections? Just pass the responsibility to discard bad food to the charity.
kvietela
I am no expert, but I feel this should not be "forced"
ej255
I suppose France has no legal liability for food safety? Here you cant even donate food court food because it's a liability.
giveintome
France has very strict laws concerning food safety. I assume food doesn't make it to supermarkets if it's unsafe.
AmazonEmma
there is a legal proceeding about salmonella infected milk right now in france, so I guess the answer is : yes they do.
LPlane2
Good Samaritan Act protects businesses from donating food waste and not holding them responsible...there is extra work though
nero4ty2
it's really more of a health/safety issue, anything cooked or processed has a much higher risk of contamination and it has to be documented>
nero4ty2
when it was heated, cooling etc. tons of raw ingredients get donated all the time though
ej255
used to pickup bags of pretzel from the mall because they throw them all away at night and take them to the shelter, till they yelled at me.
ej255
Yeah it was on my way, and it feels good to help when I can. The company had a corproate wank yell at me after a few weeks.
LPlane2
That is really awesome of you to do that...kudos
OkButWhyWereTheyFilming
If you're in the United States, you're wrong. Do some research. Good Samaritan laws prevent liability in food donation.
ej255
If you're referring to the Good Samaritan Food Donation Act, that would hold up just fine until you find the right scumbag lawyer.
ej255
It takes one lawasuit for gross neglagence where the lawyer can show that the grocery store clerk puts bad food in the donation box.
OkButWhyWereTheyFilming
It would be basically impossible to prove malicious intent, and who is going to sue-- the shelters getting donations? Not likely.
Somanyquestions
Urban legend, it is not. There are laws that protect the donor.
ej255
The Good Samaritan food donation act protects until some asshat lawyer proos gross neglagence. Then it's open season.
Somanyquestions
Did that ever happen? From what I heard that is also an urban legend.
ej255
The ACT definitely happened, but I don't know of any case where a lawyer has yet prove gross negligence.
Minnakht
Can't it come with a waiver? "This is old so it might not all be good. Sort it out yourselves." Still better than 100% rejection
ej255
they could use a waiver but I don't know what the legal precedent is for waivers in France. Here they work great until someone gets hurt.
Myowngrampa
Really? Isn't the whole point of the waiver for if/when someone gets hurt?
nero4ty2
lawyers can find a way around it
Myowngrampa
Whats the point in a waiver then?
41cheese
I work at a grocery store and the amount of produce we throw out just because it's misshapen or imperfect is sad. It's still perfectly good.
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
But I’ve volunteered at food banks and there was always (well often) a good reason why certain things were thrown out.
StripTheFleshSaltTheWound
They should compost and sell it that way.
GrimmTurd
I'd save barrels of apples that'd go to waste for my family's deer hunting. Illegal to bait, but we'd put them under apple trees. Legal!
UnknownSquid
In the store I work, imperfect/damaged/ageing food gets put out back for sale to employees at frequently near zero prices. It's amazing.
UnknownSquid
2) I've frequently came home with large luxury cakes, full gammon joints, or other normally expensive items, for between 10 to 50 pence.
SeanBrittain
The grocery store in town (pop. 1000) gives it all to me free and i feed it to my chickens. Bring employees free eggs.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Worked at a small town grocery store and when the food was unfit to be sold we just gave it to the pig farmer
ChainmailleAddict
Pigs don't care
drakewarnock
When my dad was in his twenties and had no money he would just tell stores he was a farmer to get free food.
SerialKitten666
Where I live, there is a discount shelf for near to expire fruits and veggies and plenty of imperfect things on the shelf often.
VodkaReindeer
You should tell your boss that it'd be more efficient to sort those out before they're delivered to you.
nero4ty2
but might be costlier, the prettier sorted stuff could cost more per case than the ugly stuff with a lower yield, even after dumping it
Thojira
some supermarket does that too now in france, but few
sirkickass77
At the grocery store I worked at we would donate our stuff if there wasn't mold, damaged packaging, or left out too long.
insertsupercoolusernamehere
Sometimes a soft spot or bruise/blemish/crack means it's got extra sugar or is ripe and perfect for same day usage. I grab 1-2 every time
thedutchknight
Amount of bad food we passed out at a food drive I did is also sad. Squash that fell apart in your hands, but people took it all.
casperdaghost
Do you have a zoo nearby? They would probably take it all.....
theycallmebirb
Some places have OSHA or health department regulations that (wrongfully) prohibit this.
khensu83
Here in Australia we sell them cheaper and call them like odd bunch fruits and veggies.
GarthBlader
What shop is that? .. not one of the big 2
Spfeel
You are a progressive ppl
DeusExSpockina
If you go to farm stands or farmers markets in the US they’re sold as seconds, but supermarkets don’t tend to do it.
imnotthatblonde
yup, uk does this too, its mostly the basics/value lines, or used in processed stuff where shape and stuff aint a issue
chrisjfinlay
Yep. Got a massive bag of misshapen parsnips for like 15p. Just as good as regular ones
rorozozo
You can find them in US too. Kroger/Frys sells stuff in a discount bin, but can't imagine how much gets thrown out still.
Rogahar
If I'm throwing it in a casserole or something I couldn't give a fuck if it looks weird. Long as it tastes alright!