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MidnightRising
It's a REALLY dangerous idea to start equating all news outlets. Fox News is not WSJ. Huffington Post is not The Washington Post.
imgCitizenZero
That pretty much sums it up.
Xenarion
Accurate.
AceOfWalruses
Some guys named joe posted “I like dick” on my story, I hate joe
NPCommentator
Good thing Joe's a plumber.
Cobra10106
thenewteddy
Social Media didn't cause this problem. Social media exposes it. It's existed for a very long time, its only now we see it.
ErectPelfs
Facts? Who cares about facts? :)
smarthedragon
I stopped reading/watching all news. I live my life and base my opinions off my experiences. Been much happier since.
TheRealJoe
Guys......
kernell32
Well that's, like, your opinion man
edibleEye
Brilliant.
QueefMalone
This is completely accurate.
HonorAndCultivationAndOdium
ChobbleGobble
Huffington Post includes 10% fact? That seems like a stretch.
xanadudu
At this point I get my news from Mr. Defranco
randawg
I like some of his commentary but the whole youtube style just grates on me for some reason.
TuggSpeedmann
You beautiful bastard
alexjonesisagayfrog
I do get the point but I feel like the Washington post probably shouldn't be lumped in with fox and CNN I get it's not The Hill but come on
ImgurTRZ
I love this. Saving it so hard.
CurtGoBang
So you can flush it back into the atmosphere later?
ImgurTRZ
Definitely! Someone gotta post something to keep Imgur alive! Certainly is not going to be you.
370zSteve
ImgurTRZ
Harder!!
Molotovbliss
memiter
@jsktrogdor commented this as a reply:
, I believe it deserves to be among 1st level comments.
postingpandas
Natural news should not be considered liberal... lol
MrTay
Avid npr listener but recently its been crap atleast in my city. Miss represent facts to make a point that they had a special report on 1/
MrTay
Their own station. It’s crazy to the point they launch a special on exactly why data is being miss represented then do it themselves 2/
MrTay
Just to oppose anything trump says. He has enough shit to nail him on they don’t have to put out false information that they disproved prior
Callistan
Unfortunately, lots of people see this graphic and still claim it's incorrect in order to justify their own views. I like it though.
FridayNightRamen
Yeah but it is imoportant to keep in mind that it is impossible to reach complete objectivity. Especially not on complex issues.
DevilDisowned
Unfortunately, lots of people see this graphic and claim it is correct in order to justify their own views.
ducktape50
MSNBC = fair news coverage Employs Al Sharptan ???? lol
SpruceCaboose
What people are misunderstanding here is that it's not about bias; it's about whether or not the facts presented are factual. 1/2
SpruceCaboose
An MSNBC-tier source is biased as shit, has lots of opinion pieces, and is selective, but isn't likely to be posting lies. 2/2
ducktape50
https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/12/is-msnbc-worse-than-fox-news-179175
SpruceCaboose
Did you even read that? The whole point of it is exactly what I just said; that it's selective and heavily favors opinion pieces, but 1/2
sittingherethinkingthinkingimsittingherelisteningtoyou
ItSlapsDunIt
All you fuckers are Joe (not me obviously)
iamjoevelasquez
Damn..
RodgerRodger
Alphahi
Sidewinds3000
The truth is deliberately made very difficult to discover. So few care to seek it.
clownfarts
No one is ever going to spoon feed you truth.
notarepublican
Thank god I don't watch the news or use social media. The less I have to deal with people, the better.
SeriousBusinessman
I like this but it does ignore that some sites are just more factual than others. Of course everyone thinks that said site is theirs
asmallcat
The idea that all news sources are equally bad is one of the worst problems with the current US landscape.
clownfarts
THEY ARE ALL SHIT. IF IT IS ON TV IT IS GARBAGE. LEARN TO AT LEAST READ, THEN MAYBE YOU HAVE A CHANCE.
155DangerClose
They are, all owned by fat cows trying to push their own bullshit.
stavesacre
Some are worse than others, but none are honest. At best you get half truths and truth like distortions
DiceyBusiness
Yeah if you still think you can trust a major news source without fact-checking you're gonna have an ignorant, misinformed time.
SnugglesaurusRex
Fox is propaganda. MSNBC has opinion based on fact. If they get facts wrong, they correct themselves. There is no equivalence with FOX.
stavesacre
Sorry friend, MSNBC is just as much propaganda as FOX
SnugglesaurusRex
FOX needed to repeal laws requiring news organizations to be truthful in order to exist. There's no comparison. You're just ignorant.
ducktape50
MSNBC employs Al Sharpton.
derschweiz
This is vindicating because nobody thinks they’re joe...
tomyironmane
Everyone is Joe. You and me included. Best we can do is not shit on everyone else.
Isthe4thtimethecharm
Well this is pretty much my only form of social media. I don't post and my comments hardly ever get seen. So I am not Joe. Plus my legs work
AngryBadgers
The fact that I might be a Joe is one of my greatest fears...
somerandomusernamebecauseididntlikemyoldone
I don't eat hot dogs or watch the news, so I don't think I am Joe. Also this is my only social media outlet
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
What about those who do our own fact checking and only use news sources for "a thing happened" level info that they all agree on anyway?
AMother
I mean, I don’t post my opinions or comment on shit. It’s a good start.
SnugglesaurusRex
There is no such thing as reality. Every news agency is exactly the same. This post is Right-Wing propaganda.
clownfarts
you are a moron
wormfood
I win by not posting my opinion as fact on social media
XahaL
I am Joe
claydhd14
The only thing one can know for sure is, “I think, therefore I am.” Other than that, it’s all up for debate.
ibextrainer
I'd never be Joe! I only get my facts for locally sourced, mostly organic banshees.
toimiski
americans are Joe
JeepWoodSleepRepeat
I don’t watch the news at all. It’s too depressing.
RuneKatashima
I don't follow any news whatsoever. Literally 0. I'm probably not Joe. I could be Joe, though. That's why I don't follow news.
BeatenBearface
In this analogy you're the guy who cannot shut up about his vegan lifestyle.
RuneKatashima
No I'm theorizing about Joe's and John's. In this analogy you're just the asshole.
Rin007
Of course we're not. It's obviously Trump in the images.
JustDontCare
I'm a Joe in a lot of ways... But I usually preface my statements by admitting my ignorance to the whole issue. Also I don't say much.
Diolas
I don't know who I am so people just call me John Joe.
Soggybathroomsock
Everyone is Joe, but at the same time everyone is able, of willing, to sort out the fact from the additives before it becomes mystery slime.
Geoffron
Oh please, like I have the self-confidence to share my opinions.
NotAfraidToOffendYou
I get my news solely from imgur, so I think i'm one of those fish
CrankyLittleStormCloud
We can try to avoid being Joe-like if we read from varied sources.
StripTheFleshSaltTheWound
And also keeping your opinion to yourself helps a lot.
Callistan
Easier said than done. People will still give more credibility to the sources that support their political views, no matter what they read.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Every little helps
Beepity
As long as you're smart about your sources. You might not exactly get very well-informed opinions by reading propaganda.
CrankyLittleStormCloud
I know :)
FancyGiraffes
Even reading conflicting propaganda can help you sniff out the facts from the bullshit imo.
OatmealBreakfast
My name literally is Joe.
ahsanzee
No its not, it says here its OatmealBreakfast. Stop fucking lying, joe
BardockTheRebel
JOES UNITE! Separately. In our own homes.
redsoxpwn
Joes of the world unite! You have nothing to lose except a mild sense of anonymity.
ThatTransformersDude
You ruined the internet Joe
honeymagne
Since my name is also Joe and I'm kind of late do I have to go by Also Joe?
SomebodyStoleBothOfMyBigToes
Yes you do, Also Joe
frogglesmash
Your opinion is shit, Joe.
HellMel
DarkNinja2462
Same. We must revolt and end this discrimination
1stick2stickredstickbluestick
So is mine
PippyStrelly
But are you an average Joe or an above average Joe
AnokaJoe
Mine is not
Muricanmania1
oh, hi not
AnokaJoe
Hey dad
undungubungu
I will call you Josephar
redsoxpwn
Joes unite!
pills92
YOU!!!
KiyaSeraphia
WE FOUND HIM
IamAMON
We're ALL Joe.
Memgur
Not me -Joe
pookieeatworld
I had a Beagle named Joe...
c4ck4
But I'm the Joe-est Joe of them all, Joe-C139
StephNugs
I don't read news and I don't post my opinions online. I actively avoid being Joe.
tzap
If we'd all be that no matter how much we tried, then it'd be pointless to try to follow news and pointless to try to have any opinions.
muckinpattis
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theonion.com/osama-bin-laden-found-inside-each-of-us-1819567259/amp
wormfood
I win by not posting my opinion as fact on social media. Only anonymously on imgur
MLGsamantha
We are all Joe on this blessed day.
muckinpattis
There was a great onion about how bin laden was inside all of us the whole time
malakim
Can confirm, i'm joe. I picked the newspaper i subscribe to because it somewhat fits my opinion.
DiceyBusiness
Hate when lazy & uninformed try & tar everyone else when they 'get woke'. Naw mate, some of us bother to read around, research and think.
Mirisido
I don't read the news. Any news. I have no idea what's going on. Who is Joe? Wait, don't tell me, I don't want to know.
Immaturelmgurlmager
I only read the news. I'm definitely better than Joe.
Coyote8
Yeah, well, I eat three different brands of hot dog!!
Cannadance
Read the news? What is this 1929? We "see" our news here in the 21st century.
Cannadance
Read the news? What is this 1929? We "see" our news here in the 21st century.
ACSwineburne
Shocking how that wasn't more funny the second time around.
Idrinkforevil
Fox isnt news
MetaKoopa99
cheekyronswanson
Neither is CNN buddy
throwiewayay
Thats false equivalence.
SnugglesaurusRex
It's objectively completely superior to Fox in every way. It's still biased toward Military-Industrial because war helps ratings.
RaynWisp
Or ABC, or CBS, or NBC... yeah, we're fucked and we've been fucked for a long time.
BeRad117
Ah yes CNN "Some kid edited gif of Donald Trump beating a person with CNN on their head so we're going to bully the shit out of the kid"
TinyRocktopus
Wasn't it a grown man with a bunch of racist T_d posts?
BeRad117
No, also I don't know what "racist T_d posts" are.
TinyRocktopus
"r/The_Donald" a sub reddit that it was posted to is notorious for racist content and I thought he had some other questionable posts
bearhill2
Seen less shit from CNN as compared to Fox, as a foreigner and outside observer..
ducktape50
What country might I ask?
bearhill2
Sweden. I'm a news junkie, follow pretty much every news outlet there is.
ducktape50
That’s cool. My parents have been to Sweden. They really liked it especially the raw salmon. Sweden is far more liberal than America though.
stavesacre
All political opinions are based on emotion, mine included. Admitting this has helped me take it down a few notches when I disagree w/someon
DiceyBusiness
Honest introspection is a rare talent. It'd help if we didn't bring kids up to over-indulge in their emotions, taught critical thought.
Josefbugman1543
Well so are things like "what is justice" if Hume can write that "reason must be the slave of the passions" then getting mad can be fine.
HonorAndCultivationAndOdium
stavesacre
Our ideas of fairness, too. We often want the same things but define them differently. Understanding each others definitions matters
JudgeMentalCat
Admitting that politics isn't about logic or reason is the best step someone can take. Politics are largely based on personal moral
JudgeMentalCat
values, and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't disagree that policies I oppose would be efficient, I just happen to think they're
JudgeMentalCat
morally abominable and the people who advocate for them need to grow a soul.
SnugglesaurusRex
That's not true. On the progressive side, politics is informed by science entirely. If you think that's wrong, your just ignorant.
JudgeMentalCat
"My arguments are based in Facts and Logic, and if you DISAGREE WITH ME YOU'RE WRONG AND IGNORANT!!!"
JudgeMentalCat
I'm pretty damn progressive, but buddy you need to recognize that there is no such thing as a political philosophy founded on 'science'
JudgeMentalCat
Science is a nebulous concept. Research can support your beliefs, but fundamentally politics stem from morals
stavesacre
Sure, if you ignore the science about GMOs and basically the entire field of economics
SnugglesaurusRex
%90 of progressives are fine with GMOs, just against Monsanto patenting genes, and pro-labeling. Economics? Really? Like trickle down? 1of2
SnugglesaurusRex
Republican capitalism is just tranfering wealth to billionaires. They could give a shit about science. Also Democrats repair the economy.
SnugglesaurusRex
I just don't get how you can say that after Bush crashed the economy, and how Reagan obliterated the middle-class.
stavesacre
Because neither of things are true.
jsktrogdor
The problem with this is the false equivalence fallacy projected on media outlets as if they all operate at the same level. They do not.
tzap
Very much this. It's similar with politics and opinions. All politicians are bad, all ideologies are equally harmful, etc..
clownfarts
IF IT IS ON TV IT IS SHIT. NO EXCEPTIONS.
MyPseudoIsAlduinSkyrimStoleItFromMe
This! +1
ThePostsIMakeTripleGay
is good comment
RobBobertyYT
I would say it's completely accurate except that different news sources put in different amounts and kinds of "additives"
h00di333
Hi Joe!
155DangerClose
haha you're eating a news dog right now
Residentsmartass
You should google conan obrian comparing the news. It's all the same
Talligan
This graphic equates WaPo with Fox News which is grossly misinformed
Tabrias
WaPo is basically just Jeff Bezos personal PR firm nowadays.
Chopsworth
I see which hot dogs you've been eating.
Branmaster4
News dog
JohnG34897
Robots do not provide our news so every single news source is slanted in one way or another. No reporting can be pure unemotional fact.
TGWeaver
Bias exists in many forms. A good news source can still have a political leaning in its commentary on facts; a bad one will just bullshit.
jsktrogdor
It doesnt have to be robotic "pure unemotional fact" to be accurate and informative. Especially if you as a reader practice media literacy.
JohnG34897
Fundamentally speaking even then it still has some bias. Focusing on some group of facts over another or limiting analysis of some facts.
JohnG34897
Humans have built in bias. We cannot help it so you have to approach anything with a consideration for the bias.
jsktrogdor
I know it still has bias, that's what I literally just said.
SilentNightLabs
You're over thinking this and missing the point. Metaphors will not speak to 100% of all cases. Only help understand different angles.
jsktrogdor
What you call overthinking I call thinking. "Truth resists simplicity."
michoman
If this graphics made you think then it has accomplished it's mission
jsktrogdor
Well said.
SilentNightLabs
By the time you're in middle school, you should have a decent understanding of the idea of edge cases and outliers. Being over 18 and */*
SilentNightLabs
and needing everyone to admit at all times that there are exceptions, is pretty stupid. That's like believing every door to door salesman
SilentNightLabs
and used car salesman. You know there's bullshit in there somewhere. You're job is to be an adult and figure that shit out yourself.
SilentNightLabs
Posts and articles like this help you spot how and why bullshit works generally. It's a tool of understanding. Not a walkthrough/cheat guide
Attacker732
You do realize that there are schools that aren't really teaching that sort of thing standard anymore, right? Even science brushes past it.
jsktrogdor
FlightRisk3154
This graphic is too generous for the DailyMail
MyPseudoIsAlduinSkyrimStoleItFromMe
Nice Chart.
geosynthetic
Love that graphic because it confirms my inherent biases.
Altanese
I know right? I already consider BBC and Al Jazira two of the most reputable news sources
khavul
I have to call bullshit on the “Daily Wire” location.
alcaray
Hilarious that the Enquirer is said to be in the middle!
SnugglesaurusRex
This chart is biased towards both-siding. It eschews fact to promote the false equivalency of fascist propaganda to informed opinion.
diaetsaft
I like to get a lot of news from business news ( like CNBC or Forbes) they seem pretty fair mostly . ( of course always double check)
TheManInTheWall
Pls update with Onion
ducktape50
The onion should be at the pinnacle. It’s America’s most trusted news source.
Mimsey
I feel like that graph misses a lot of nuance. Some of those sources change position dramatically based on topic.
jsktrogdor
Look at the faint ellipsis and circles. That's supposed to give a rough range of where individual stories typically fall.
mardukkur
I have some disagreements with the placements (Intercept more left than Jacobin? lolololol) but overall very good.
obviouslyrob
Intercept has been moving steadily left over the past year or so, and also note the oval its in. Personally I'd just nudge Intercept down.
DarthMaulOfAmerica
but who made the chart???
memiter
Look at the bottom of the image.
DarthMaulOfAmerica
Oh u right, I missed that
tallroses
Just be careful...there are A LOT of copycat charts with serious skew
nayru69
It’s a graphic on the internet so it must be true. Thanks for the post, haven’t laughed that hard in awhile!
jsktrogdor
Ruh-roh, somebody's bookmarks are in the red box...
AMoldyStump
PENALTY! Am i doing this right?
vudukerz
Hell yeah the cracker-dry goodness of the AP and Reuters
randawg
Straight facts. A thing happened: do what you will with this info.
jsktrogdor
"I like my news like I like my coffee, just a water for me please. No ice."
WorthEveryPenny
Bias is irrelevant. Factual quantity of information is key. Somebody find the pew study showing quality if information.
TheManInTheWall
Bias is relevant as it affects the wording of a fact and can lead to people being misled to interpret the fact as something different
khora
Hey, a totally objective analysis!
romicra88
I gotta disagree with slate, vox, or vanity Fair as having fair interpretations.
jsktrogdor
Don't forget the ovals on the chart represent the range of stories. Some of Vox's videos are crap. Some are stellar.
CyanideSprite
People jump on Slate and Vox any time they say anything slightly inaccurate but they often issue corrections that people ignore. It's clear
CyanideSprite
they at least try.
ImgursLibertarian
Its also just a 2D graph, it's missing an important dimension: https://imgur.com/XRIrPH7
CyanideSprite
Libertarian ideology has zero precedent, no mechanism for success, and does not recognize the nuance of elastic and inelastic industries...
CyanideSprite
It basically belongs in a box where religious pamphlets would go.
AMoldyStump
I'm curious as to how a news source can be libertarian or authoritarian
ImgursLibertarian
Libertarian would focus on neither the R or D platforms, but on how they improve or worsen Civil and Economic Liberties.
ImgursLibertarian
Libertarian websites in each color box of that infographic:
ImgursLibertarian
Green box: Cato Institute
ImgursLibertarian
Redbox: About everything else.
ImgursLibertarian
Orange box: TheLibertarianRepublic.com
ImgursLibertarian
Yellow Box: Reason.com
DiscoMayonnaise
Is it weird that as a liberal I've never heard of any of the left red box sources, yet instantly recognize 6 of the conservative ones?
jsktrogdor
I think a core belief in the merits of establishment institutions inoculates most liberals against "populist" radical media like infowars.
SnarkyScience
I could argue with some—Vox seems like it’s moving down the scale, but yeah. Reuters is great. I wonder where Imgur would go?
TuggSpeedmann
Slate seems kinda high too.
SnarkyScience
Somewhere between CNN and HuffPo?
jsktrogdor
In a garbage can under the chart.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
Yeah, considering it's ALL user submitted content where sources are trash if they're cited at all.
VesselOfHate
Varies greatly at times, different sections of the site, the image we're talking about. All over the map.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
All news is equally biased. Clearly my decision to be completely ignorant of all information actually makes me secretly the most informed!
jsktrogdor
It's sad that I'm only 80% sure this is sarcasm... *sigh* +1
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
I don't do sarcasm tags. If it's not obvious, I haven't done my job.
jsktrogdor
Agreed. Sarcasm is like bowling, it's no fun with the guide-rails up.
Counterfit
Poe's Law is a bitch
SideEffectsOfJuice
I think there's a minor issue in the fact that the "still reputable" is mentioned as part of the "partisan bias" - as it implies that >
SideEffectsOfJuice
> something near the center of partisan bias BUT at the very bottom of the graphic is REPUTABLE :D
randawg
I think that's where the boxes and ovals come in. The enquirer is near center but also in the nonsense box.
OptimisticDownvoteLover
Is mediabiaschart.com an objective source?
f00g3n
I find it interesting/hopeful that the ones most closely associated with the government e.g PBS and NPR are the most unbiased and honest.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
People underestimate how much scrutiny government is typically under. Politicians no, but data yes.
khavul
Totally unbiased /s
Tabrias
Both get public funding or donations and neither are dependent on advertising revenue.
thepurpletwitch
This is by far my favorite graphic. Possibly the best graphic ever. But seriously. As long as you stay informed on both sides’ opinions,
thepurpletwitch
You can’t go wrong.
Hutchy01
BBC, FT, The Times on its more rational days and the Guardian for film reviews.
thepurpletwitch
Dude yes. All the yes. Al Jazeerah is also a good source but no one ever considers it
Bstone1
Well, up until you talk to somebody past the vertical center.
SirPelvisJohnwood
Obviously there are only two sides, and they're exactly equivalent (just in different directions). Also, I listen to both kinds of music.
Hutchy01
There are two kinds of music, good and jazz. Do love a bit of jazz.
MyPseudoIsAlduinSkyrimStoleItFromMe
No, just get information from top of pyramid.
thepurpletwitch
You should always get information from as many sources as possible. Someone is going to omit something
randawg
A good mix of the "complex analysis" types helps me get context that I can use to do more digging into the facts.
MongoBro
All the "consevative" ones in the green area are not conservative.PBS, TIME, The Economist lean liberal and The Hill is known to be leftist
jsktrogdor
If the entire world looks like it's upside down to you, chances are good you are what's actually upside down.
mardukkur
The Economist? The Hill? LEFTIST? What in the world are your priors? That's just nuts.
Bstone1
I know people who would shit bricks for not having CNN be bottom left, and would consider fox reputable slightly right.
mattvanloo
Cnn: the network that said a group of black kids kidnapping, assaulting, and yelling "f white people" at a mentally disabled teenager 1/2
mattvanloo
was not a hate crime. Yeah sure. 2/2
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
As a non-American, CNN is right-wing, and Fox News is the radicalised far right.
randawg
Yeah the prez for one.
Monochromatism
CNN probably belongs more towards the left, but isn't bottom. It obviously varies by who's speaking/writing- same with Fox, honestly.
thepurpletwitch
Well I would say CNN is more biased left than this graphic has them, but meh
Bstone1
I’d say if anything the graph needs widened and both CNN and Fox moved further out
thepurpletwitch
Right? They both do more than ‘skew’ to their prospective audience. That’s a hard bank
jsktrogdor
The real problem with CNN isnt so much a bias as it is that they treat politics like sports. https://youtu.be/4pS4x8hXQ5c
Congressgiraffe
Prolly cause they are owned by Turner who is owned by Time Warner. So much pressure to make money with so much middle management. 1/2
Congressgiraffe
They do report well but they must make money thus sensationalism must be used. The parents won’t hold their kids if they don’t make $$$
Bstone1
Just about everybody outside the center does that.
jsktrogdor
Not really. The chart lists those farthest organizations as "propaganda" and "persuasion" for a reason. That goes beyond sports reporting.
mardukkur
Yes. CNN isn't biased by party, it's biased for shitty reporting.
jsktrogdor
It's biased by what will get the highest ratings.
GodEmperor0fMankind
I don't really trust either, tbh. If I see something from either, I usually cross reference it with the other and then check BBC to be sure.
DiceyBusiness
Naw BBC skews towards Liberal to. Honestly, the best strategy is to read around widely and preferably from first-hand sources.
Soggybathroomsock
Christian Science Monitor = PBS? Any 'muricans that can enlighten me on this one?
obviouslyrob
CSM sounds religious but they're actually pretty even-handed. Their culture section does hew to conservative Christianity though, but 1/2
obviouslyrob
that really should be expected.
Soggybathroomsock
Thanks! I'll check it out!
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
CSM is actually not what you'd expect it to be based on its name.
RudiFuchs
Indeed! During my Juniors Project, I discussed the refugee crisis. Turns out, CSM was very fair about its info on the crisis.
DoctorMama
Not at all. Solid reporting.
Soggybathroomsock
Cool, i'll check it out. Thanks for the info bud.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
Any time, I'm full of half-hearted endorsements for outlets I don't actually frequent.