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Black lives matter
Sep 16, 2016 9:25 PM
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Black lives matter
brnz3
FBI did a horrible job collecting data. search washington post stuff on this situation for better insight
BurpMacklinFBI
BLM is protesting that cops seem able to kill (particularly black males) with impunity. That means without punishment, OP, honey.
Buzzkillinit
I think they're protesting black people being murdered period.
Killstealer
how about going one step further and saying murder in general is bad, colour of skin should not affect how heinous the crime.
prettya
As a white person, I see it as protesting people of power unjustly killing black people out of the illusion of fear and justice
hellomynameisbaymax
Black people make up 17% of the population you fucking walnut
Iuseimgurwhenimstudyingacutediseases
Maybe they could stop murdering each other then
seedye
Yeah. And screw you, American Heart Association, for not doing a thing about cancer! #alldiseasesmatter
complimentpin
How about talking about the cops killed by criminals. People are angry when police shoot a dog just search pitbull attack and you'll know 1
complimentpin
why 2
fufuwewe
This is just as biased though. The whole point is number of blacks killed by cops vs number of whites, adjusted for Population.
leavinit
Shitpost. Enough said.
ISaidSarcastically
Yo... you realize that homicides have spiked drastically in 2015-2016 right?? So your 2013 graph is showing statistically invalid info.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
Afaik, they don't compile the data every year. I could be wrong on this, but iirc their last full releases were 2010 and 2013.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
2) nm, they do compile the data, it's just not released in a fancy package every year (or at least it takes more digging to find)
Disgruntled3lf
That's the FBI violent crimes report. So doesn't actually include anything black lives matter is protesting...
RedneckFrank
Neo Nazi Bullshit. Fuck you
841pts
#hispaniclivesarenotevencounted
PlantainSuperNova
Hispanic isn't a race though. It only describes someone from a Spanish speaking country. You can be hispanic AND black for example.
ChefBoyarDeezNuts
imgur hates black people
PlantainSuperNova
White on white murder is at 84%, which is literally only 6% off of the black on black murder rate which is 90%. 1/2
PlantainSuperNova
Surprise, surprise. People murder people who look like them or live around them. 2/2
hellomynameisbaymax
When the system changes all those other issues can get better as well. They are symptoms of a systemic problem.
Csjetter
I was under the impression they were protesting police killing unarmed black people with impunity.
HitlersRupturedColon
I 100% get what you're saying. But I'm down voting because we just need to end the "race" thing completely. Let's just be fucking human
ambersandz
Wondering if OP has developed any more sense since posting this.
Bryanalt77
All these posts act as if there aren't organizations working to end black on black crime. Do a little research people
zolafeels
'Per million of murderer's race'. Whites outnumber blacks 9-1. Shouldn't these numbers reflect the population of a race getting murdered?
NOINOON
"How to lie with statistics" is a great book.
NeandertalsRUs
It should, but that wouldn't fit the narrative.
JustChillin023
This is framed as the likelihood of a person of a given race to murder someone within another given race. It suggests a framing that white..
JustChillin023
People are less likely to be murderers, whereas this reply suggests the BLM movement is framed around the life being murdered (I agree)
Pullout69
It should. But the black on black murder rate is astronomically higher, especially if you look at it per capita.
zolafeels
Totally. Agreed. Still this graph is purposely misleading.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
No no noooooo, it's misleading to NOT have "per capita" on a rate statistic.
bamcockseverywhere
If you look at it on the basis of income, though, it largely aligns with the population. There's just a higher % of poor black people.
nativescotland
Clustered together in inner cities. I wish people would learn some basic sociology about why crime occurs more in densely populated areas
SidneyHarbor
Source: http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/12/23/72-percent-of-african-american-children-are-raised-in-single-parent-homes/ (2/2)
bamcockseverywhere
Well shit dude I only have 140 characters and as soon as you say sociology people go WHAT LIKE MARX and you have to say yeah like marx
Talligan
WHAT LIKE MARX?
SidneyHarbor
You could debate all day long what causes what. Another one: 72% of blacks raised single parent vs. only 26% for US as a whole (1/2)
Talligan
From what I understand there is no debate that poverty raises likelihood for crime.
KevinMenzel
Does the source report include only cases wherein the legal definition of murder was determined met by a court of law?
Cavemango
Well looking at it there appears to be segregation due to the cross killings being so low.
AdamMartin
Yes. The fbi crime stats are only about crimes. BLM is protesting officer shootings that are found to be 'justified' (i.e. not crimes).
Kstrack4
Rates are subject to change definition of murder per state or city. Also you can only count solved murders
buttscratchergetyourbuttscratched
2013. Checks out
berniesandersisabigfatphoney
Ok well add like 4 more then.
apercent
Source doesn't say what the chart says
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
Have to divide by population. Source is the offense rate, divide by population to get rate per population.
TibbleSniggits
How do statistics like these account for people of more than one race?
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
excellent question!
KevinMenzel
Probably pretty poorly, which is where transparency as to categorization is important in any statistics work.
Pullout69
Not likely since it specified murder, not homicide. However if you're referring to police-related homicides those numbers are nigh ->
Pullout69
Insignificant next to national rates.
nativescotland
I'm glad that you really think that a number that isn't zero is insignificant. Those are real people, not just statistics. So many of <<1
nativescotland
them did not deserve to be injured or killed.
Pullout69
Don't pretend that you don't know you're twisting my words. Might fine strawman you out up.
KevinMenzel
The source data specifies homicide.
KevinMenzel
At least, according to the title of the source and the URL it does, the specified URL doesn't actually exist.
BlackLabsAreBest
This is interesting. I think you have volunteered to collate and present this evidence!
KevinMenzel
The source specified 404s, so...
MetroidPrimeHesTheBest
I'll probably get shit for this, but they are also protesting the blacks killed by blacks by attributing to social inequities (oversimplify)
smeeshsmoosh
lol, so when black people kill black people it's also white people's fault? Go figure.
bamcockseverywhere
For a very long period of time black-owned businesses were vandalized or worse so...yeah? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot
smeeshsmoosh
What does this have to do with murders in 2013?
bamcockseverywhere
Wealth and class are largely inherited. If someone destroys your wealth, guess where you're gonna wind up? Hint: not the top.
bamcockseverywhere
Like I get what you're saying but essentially the Tulsa Race Riot was Black 9/11 in terms of damage to financial institutions
getadogupya
I thought they were protesting about blacks killed by police, not blacks killed by whites.
xzhous
You thought wrong, or you don't read Fox News.
spootpie
Same same, but different
Edutittam
They are.
Baja2185
Blacks are shot less often than whites by numbers and by percentage relating to crimes committed. The graph looks the same as this.
TerrRawrSaur
The police aren't purple or green.
KristalNelson
They are protesting because of oppression not really white on black killings. Yes that is a factor in the black lives matter movement but it
AGracefulCombover
So a subset of white violence against blacks.
Pullout69
By their logic it is racism by extension of that. Supposedly they're being disproportionately targeted by white police.
Alex1514
We just need an asian cop, an indian cop, and a hispanic cop shooting on the news and we got a full colour spectrum.
MissyGarrett
I'm picking up what your putting down
TinySupreme
They are protesting about blacks being killed in general. The media just makes money off of misery and leads you to believe this garbage.
herpdeedurp
Blm threatened a black chief of police when he asked for help cleaning up the neighborhoods. Blm is trash
TinySupreme
Did the whole organization threaten him or was it just a small number of people in the organization? Don't be generalizing, now.
liesuponlies
If they claim to represent the organization without the organization leaders coming forward and denying that claim then it is the organizati
xzhous
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? That's wack. Source?
herpdeedurp
Can't find a link for that one now but here is this lovely story about blm denouncing a community building cookout
herpdeedurp
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/22/black-lives-matter-denounces-friendly-cookout-with-local-cops/
UhhhhhNick
If thats the case then make that line even smaller.
KristalNelson
2/2 is not the main reason
daveshan
Unless all the cops were black, it's gonna be smaller than the blacks killed by whites bar.
NekkidSnek
Their record shows that they only protest when the officer who did the shooting is white.
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
They protest when the shooter is not punished to their satisfactions
Viper3232
You mean like Milwaukee or the dozens of other protests from a black cop shooting someone?
Bend3
That one blew over very quickly once the news hit that the officer was black. Knee jerk reactions.
iAmLordBeer
Eric Garner? Freddie Gray? What the fuck are you talking about?
Viper3232
Very quickly as in...a week? You realize there are STILL protests right? Just the media that moved over, not the town
Bend3
there will always be protests, but the overall coverage and protest numbers are down compared to white vs black death news.
peterpandapants
I thought it was started by a couple lgbt community members that happened to be black.
liesuponlies
This is true. Three lgbt women came out during the Treyvon Martin thing and said "Black Lives Matter" the catch phrase caught on and they
liesuponlies
Started a movement to use these "tragedies" in relation to the black lives to bring awareness to the black lgbt community.
NekkidSnek
Notice how fast Milwaukee blew over? Cop was black and they couldn't push the racism angle like they wanted
spaghettiThunderbolt
Still burned a building and a squad car, and shot at the fire department, though. I guess they were eager to show how peaceful they are.
imhereforthepuppies
Weren't there still riots...?
NekkidSnek
For an entire night. And then nothing
ArcaneConjecture
BLM had no statement on this because the shooting was justified. The guy refused to put down his gun. BLM protests *UNJUSTIFIED* shootings.
NekkidSnek
Whom the entire community lied about to protect an image of an innocent black man
NekkidSnek
Like Mike Brown? You know, their patron saint. The one who died attacking an officer after robbing a store?
gamblingpoet
The cops in the Freddie Grey case were black. So...yeah your point is shit.
NekkidSnek
And the other half were white
FrankUnderwood4Congress2016
Contextual reading is not your friend tonight I take it.
PhiIIipJFry
Whether it's racist or not has nothing to do with whether the officer is black or white it's about it being systematic.
damageinc24
So the system causes them to commit crimes and resist arrest and threaten the lives of police officers.
WhosJoe
Right.
ThePhDJ
So black people need to fix all other problems before institutionalized murder can be addressed? Fuck you
Purpleopolis
THIS
SleepyZombie
Do you understand what the word institutionalized means? Or are you using it in an ironic sense?
SleepyZombie
Murder is not institutionalized in America fyi. Also they are not addressing murder as a whole... They are addressing the murder of black
SleepyZombie
lives. So the statistics means there should be less focus on police brutality and more focus on their culture that promotes violence...
SleepyZombie
from a young age through domestic violence and "black entertainment/music."
ThePhDJ
The table is referencing the BLM movement and saying their focus should be on other aspects. I'm saying that's bullshit. BLM can choose to
ThePhDJ
focus on what they like, first of all. Second, 'institutionalized' is exactly correct because police officers are state/federal employees
ThePhDJ
who are often not getting punished appropriately for killing black suspects. And this notion that we have a "culture of violence" is also
ThePhDJ
bullshit. BLM (at least the part I agree with) argues that your education and behavior do not protect you from police violence. That is
SleepyZombie
Anti Vaccination is also a commonly held "perspective" in the United states. It does not make it a right one.
SleepyZombie
Institutionalized is not the proper use of the word just because they are government employees. It is not an established practice...
SleepyZombie
The police academy does not train their students to murder innocent black youth. Also how in the hell do you justify saying...
nothingspecialhere
Let's see the bars killed by cops.
Jimmyvtss
Also cops killed by blacks.
MagikXD
It's the same bars pretty much
LOlivingVE
Killed by cops: 54% white 24% black. Cops Killed:52% white 42% black(not adjusted for per capita). Source:Washington post/FBI
Kstrack4
That's still disproportionate from population percentages.
imoutofnames
But we also need to look at crime rates. There is more to this than just one or two numbers.
DeanP3456562456456
Why would cops kill bars?
trailerparksupervisor
Police on bar brutality is at an all time high.
MyMiddleNameIsAllen
Because they lit AF
fauxglove
that would be nice, except there is deliberately no statistics kept about suspects shot by police.
fauxglove
like literally, the FBI says they do not have those records, no police department keeps track of that, regardless of federal requirements.
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Kstrack4
FBI crime stats aren't actually a requirement at all and numbers aren't checked by the FBI fit accuracy.
terkerjerbs
In the grand scheme of things I think this number would be very low
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
After adjusting per capita?
nothingspecialhere
Well of course it would. That's my point.
Rohkhos
That not many bars are killed by cops?
nativescotland
Very low =/= zero. If you haven't been paying attention, they are protesting unnecessary police shootings of blacks AND whites.
nativescotland
You can't be fine with people being shot and murdered by police by saying "it's a low number, doesn't matter". Those are real people <<2
nativescotland
not just numbers. http://gokicker.com/2016/07/14/blacklivesmatter-rally-around-dylan-noble-white-teen-killed-police/
terkerjerbs
Ah sorry I thought you were trying to make a case the other way
nothingspecialhere
Ah, no worries.
IcyPeter
What a civil exchange between strangers on the internet.