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PC Master Race
I am not a fan of the "PC master race" crap. If you are gaming you are gaming and in the end you are having fun on your chosen platform. There are many reason that I prefer the PC over consoles, mostly the variety of games as well as the higher graphics of games. Im looking at you UBISOFT! That being said I have had an X-Box 360 and currently have a PS3 plugged in behind my PC
DISCLAIMER
I am not a professional just a hardware nerd. Everything in this guide is how I do things and not necessarily the "correct" way of going about things. Many opinions and blah blah blah. There are many YouTube channels that can explain these things better than me. My favorite is LinusTechTips https://www.youtube.com/user/LinusTechTips . Lets get on with it.
CPU
When starting off choosing components I always go for the cpu first. This is because the Mother board that you choose will be determined by the cpu socket type and most of the other parts are universal. The cpu is the brains of your computer. If you are going to be gaming then you don't really need all of the cores known to man to run the latest games. Duel-core would work just fine since gaming isn't a highly threaded operation. However if you are going to be recording and editing video, using a lot of photoshop, or producing music I would go with a quad core. Even if you think that you might do any of those things in the next couple of years just go with the quad to save time and hassle.
Choosing your CPU
There are a few things to consider when choosing a cpu. First is the number of cores. More generally equals better but you don't want more than you will use. High end rigs have 6 of now even 8 cores that are hyperthreaded, but that is a post for a different time. A Quad Core is considered standard. I am partial to Intel. In my experience the lifespan (if @ stock clock speed) is the same, but when overclocking intel is more reliable to over clock and will have a much longer lifespan. For a budget computer a quad core is my recommendation. You are also going to want to look at the clock speed of the cpu. Anywhere close to 3.0Ghz will do just fine. higher is better so if you can afford to spend a little more cash then feel free to get a 3.2Ghz or 3.4Ghz.
Mother Board
Next is the Mother Board (mobo). So many brands and options to choose from making this decision a little hard at times. Always start off by making sure that your mobo has the same socket type as the cpu that you have chosen. You will then be able to choose the size of board that you want. ATX is the most common but in the range is ATX-mini which is a small form factor, E-ATX which is an Extended ATX, and micro ATX which is for ridiculously small builds. Single or dual channel Dimm (RAM) slots. If you choose a one or two stick(s) of memory then a single channel would be fine. Dual channel is considered standard and is what I would recommend. If you aren't building a gaming pc then you might want some on board graphics. Some mobo's have integrated graphics as well as some cpu's. I don't generally recommend this because getting a cheaper cpu and mobo with a still cheap gpu will give you better performance than the intergrated for the same price or cheaper. SATA ports!!! Hard drives, SSD's, disc drives, and more run off of SATA slots. Know how many of what components that you will have that utilize SATA. BUy board accordingly. Most boards have more than enough so this generally isnt a problem. USB 2.0 and 3.0. USB 2.0 is common while 3.0 is just recently making its way onto the budget boards. If you have anything that uses a 3.0USB port than you may want to consider getting a board with one or two. Now the most important in my opinion is PCI Express slot sizes. 16x, 8x ,and 4x. Most high end gpu's are 16x in size. 8x is half and 4x is a quarter slot. In a budget build with a high end gpu you are going to want capability for at least one 16x slot. The others will remain unused until you decide to upgrade.
RAM
Memory (RAM). For gaming you don't need 245724562457276542819821658356gigs of ram. I ran with a, pretty crappy, 4 gig stick for years and never noticed the difference. I just slapped in an 8gig kit about a year ago when I started making music. RAM isn't had to shop for at all. You don't need a lot and there is only a few REALLY good brands. I prefer Corsair RAM Personally. Most of my peripherals are Corsair actually. Some people are super into ram clock speed such as 1333, 1600, 1866 ect. for a gaming rig fast is better but you wont need the super high end 2800 dimm of ram. I say as long as it is a reputable brand with 4 to 5 star reviews go for it. 1600 would be pretty good for a gaming rig.
If you are planning to do a lot of video editing and music producing then the more ram the better! some high end mother boards are compatible with up to 64GB of ram!
GPU
Graphics card (GPU). For a gaming rig this should be almost 50% of the cost of your build. You want this thing to be a BEAST. For me this is where I spend most of my time shopping. Looking for the perfect card for the type of games that I play. There are many in depth reviews on the internet that will give you all sorts of information. One of the biggest differences between GPU's is the different chip manufactures. Nvidia and AMD are both really good but I like to use a NVIDIA card in my rig. I like the performance and the GeForce Experience software that comes along with most decent cards. A card that has 2GB of DDR5 is perfect or more than enough for most all newer games. 1GB DDR5 is also acceptable but running at ultra settings may lead to fps spikes on more demanding parts of the game.
PSU
Power supply (psu) A power supply for a gaming rig doesn't need to be the 1200watt monster that the high end comps use. 500watts is more than enough for a first build. Just be aware what your graphics card requires. it may ask for a higher wattage psu to run optimally. If this is the case and you have your mind set on that gpu then grit your teeth and get a bigger psu. You wont regret it.
Hard Drive
Hard drives. If you have a LOT of steam games then a larger drive will be the best. I have quite a steam library on my 1TB WD Black and I am 600GB in. A 1TB will be perfect for those MASSIVE collections that some people have. you can always add more later! That is the beauty of having a PC, if you need more memory it is super easy to add to what you got!
Case
Case. I always choose my case last. Choose your size by the size of your mobo. Most mobo's are just a standard ATX size so there are a plethora of cases to choose from in this category. For me there are three things that I look for in a case on a basic level. Cooling, cable management, and LOOKS! You want this baby to stay cool. The cooler that your PC runs the longer and more reliable your components will be. No one wants ugly cables running everywhere in front of the things that you would want to look at! Having enough room to tuck cables behind the mobo tray and around the bottom and sides of the case is a must. This is a custom PC you want everyone to know that you built it yourself! There are tons of completely bad ass computer cases out there for cheap!
Fans. If there is a spot for a fan in your case, USE IT!!!!
UPGRADE IT!!!
Never forget that you can skimp on things like RAM and hard drives now because they are easily upgradeable! That is the most beautiful thing about a PC. If you want more out of it you don't have to buy a new one!
Helpful Links
http://pcpartpicker.com/ I loved this starting out!!
http://www.newegg.com/ Where I buy most things.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/
http://www.ncix.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/NCIXcom
https://www.youtube.com/user/LinusTechTips
https://www.youtube.com/user/SingularityComputers
Cat Tax
R.I.P. Noland 1996-2013 <3
cwwazywazy
My CPU/GPU/mobo were $350 combined. FX-8320 (Arrives tomorrow!) Gigabyte 970A-UD3P, used R9 270 GAMING. I also have an NZXT and 2 screens.
malbogio
Even on a budget I'd strongly suggest a SSD for the operating system and a gold rated or better PSU pays for itself in efficiency.
blythus
I built my computer for $400 and it can run pretty much everything at medium or low settings. Looking to upgrade my CPU soon
sockky
I like you, you said you built it for $400 and didn't claim you can run everything maxed out. Good ol' honesty!
secondcoming
That's the key to building a budget gaming PC, don't expect to max everything out. Then upgrade bit by bit until you can :)
blythus
It can run Valve games and slightly older games maxed out, but newer stuff like Watch Dogs or Battlefield 3 cause it some trouble.
Houstonruss
Upvote for Linus.
WormNoodle
logicalincrements.com was really useful for me when I built my rig, the mods are really active and helpful too.
Riem
Never, ever, EVER, skimp on your PSU. If it goes, so does the rest of your system.
HalifaxSamuels
Define "skimp". Rosewill PSUs are cheap and I've never had one fail, at home or the many we use at work. You need reliable, not expensive.
Riem
Sacrificing quality to save money. Rosewill isn't a brand I have personal experience with, but they do seem to be decent for the price.
HalifaxSamuels
Rosewill makes a lot of things. I typically have found that many of their products, while inexpensive, are of surprising quality.
knupauger
On top of that, don't buy an oversize-PSU! No single-GPU rig needs more than 500 Watts!
feellicks
lolwut. thats terrible advice to give people.
Riem
Don't pay for more than you need, certainly. The only reason my rig has a 750 watt psu is because Corsair was having sales on newegg.
knupauger
I've to admit that my next PSU will have 760 Watts too. Sadly Corsair&Co. specify their top-quality PSUs for unreasonably high wattages.
Riem
Well hey, you've got room to expand now.
knupauger
Haha, well, I'm leaning more towards a water-cooled mITX-rig at the moment with a 500 Watts SFX+ PSU. We will see :)
shibbytothelibby
Bought a mother card from MSI. It was broken upon arrival. Also, this page is pretty neat for building: www.logicalincrements.com
tacojaw
What's a mother card?
shibbytothelibby
Sorry, my swedish was leaking. I of course mean board.
tacojaw
I'm just giving you a hard time. Just send it back, they're usually pretty good about fixing things.
shibbytothelibby
I did send it back, I was too impatient to have my new PC running though so I bought a new card in a local store.
tacojaw
I'm glad everything worked out, I'm impatient as well. How's it treating you? Enjoying it?
SnowLeopard
Nice guide OP. My suggestion would be to edit a bit more next time for grammar and readability. +1
IPoopInTheDark
linustechtips +1 but all you really need to do is go to his youtube and look around to find how to do most of it. tldr because i already knw
hedcase
I'm looking at installing some me googleflops in to my transponder matrix.
jo3v
Well, just make sure your rig runs on a 10meg pipe bandwitch frequency and a flux-capacitor ratio 1:potato.
LadiesAndGentlemen
"I am not a fan of the "PC master race" crap." Then you have no idea what its actually about.
anonuser000
Any tips on building a server?
benovere
Depends on what type of server you want. Basically though, a good CPU chip, lots o ram, and a good net port (gigaethernet) for gaming server
volumetricsteve
focus on high power efficiency, low TDPs, error correction and redundancy (ECC/RAID 1/etc)
IrishWhiskey
Just ask the imgur office. Everyone knows they´ve got the best servers of the whole internet!
iAreNubcake
Depends - what sort of server?
anonuser000
i guess i would want to focus on it being fast and lightweight..little next to none latency
benovere
"Server" is a very broad term. What are you using it for? Games with friends? Commercial gaming server? Backup server? File server?
anonuser000
lol..a file server
iAreNubcake
I meant more along the lines of what you would be using it for. File server, game server, etc... more details = better answer! :D
horsethanwitler
PSU - amperage is important (higher is better), and if you've got a bunch of HDD's, keep in mind they use power too, so maybe 600W is better
aphocus
I have a 135w CPU overclocked (Phenom II X6), a 130w Graphics card (hd 7850), 3 HDDs, and a 430w power supply, brand > wattage.
feystorm
A 1000w PSU is no better than a 600W PSU if your system only draw 300W
horsethanwitler
I wasn't suggesting 1000W - and amperage is still important - but i had four hard drives plus GPU, and needed more power.
secondcoming
hard drives are very low consumption (maybe 20w max each)
LastElf
As someone who does this for a job, this is terrible as a first timer's guide. Good concept but execution needs a lot of work
yoloswag420blazeitmlg360noscopepro
I don't even do this for a job, but having learned how to build computers over time, and from experience, this is a terrible guide.
imaplayer94
them trips
nontelop
... About pcs, and upgrading them. A first timer's guide to build and mantain/upgrade your pc would be awesome.
HelenKellerVersusTraffic
I'd gladly make a post thats a bit more correct.. IT student here for a year or so now and make builds all the time.
thegr8rambino
LOL damn that was good
bl4ck
well said brother, i am not defending the OP i also think that this is a poor "guide" but it's for the console peasants that wish to ascend
Fredfinks
Agree.
EnvokumGigantusInMyPantus
http://www.logicalincrements.com/index.html is great. Graded PC's for every budget and everything compatible together helped me alot
nontelop
My current pc is three years old and while I don't know jack about pc, I assume most of the hardware is still good. I'd like to know more...
forgetaboutfrdbhuokui
I completely agree this is going to get someone into a bad build there is alot missing from this.
DoingMyKanyeBest
In your opinion, which is better? Linux or windows os? Im running windows on my desktop, it works well and I havent yet gotten a virus.
ImCommanderShepardAndThisIsMyFavoriteImageInTheGallery
I put Linux in my PC build (Windows if pricey) and it's great for most things. But for gaming PC, go windows for sure.
LastElf
Gaming is still Windows because of DirectX, but SteamOS is looking interesting. Linux is still a specialty, but works well in a pinch
AvielMenter
Because I do this occasionally and want to be able to distinguish between good and bad advice, what do you think the problems are?
LastElf
My reply to Chickity is my main rant about it, but mostly a lot of useless info and no recommendations.
Corona688
Not to criticize or anything, but you didn't even explain why.
LastElf
I have in reply to other comments. Check Chickity's replies
Rylanodory
intentions are good, but.. agree'd, a lot of core things weren't mentioned especially in compatibility and making sure your PSU is good..1/
Rylanodory
also with power plug types for the GPU and motherboard. ram compatibility with CPU's as well, haswell being 1.5V ram etc. microATX/ATX ..2/?
Rylanodory
and benefits, onboard audio differences, and how to deal with errors since you won't have a company to support the PC you build yourself..
LastElf
For those wondering about my system:
i7 950, 2x660TI, 12gb RAM. Been upgrading it for 3-4 years
LastElf
Next cycle is CPU/RAM/MB once 5th gen+DDR4 comes out. i5-5570 and 32gb in a shiny new Corsair case are looking mighty nice.
secondcoming
Why do you need 32GB RAM?
LastElf
Because Chrome is a huge memory hog when you have 15+ tabs open and don't reboot more than once a month. 4 screens means lots of switching
secondcoming
There is something seriously wrong with your PC then. I currently have about 20 tabs open and it's using less than 1GB RAM
LastElf
And to future proof the system for another 4 years
Steesh
Please make your own post, i'm a life-long console gamer, looking to switch and can't decide on the best parts for my needs!!
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
That was what I was thinking. It's not specific enough to be helpful. For example, he talks about VRAM but mentions nothing about [1]
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
That's*
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
GPU models which are far more important. A 1GB Radeon 7850 will vastly outperform a 2GB Radeon 5770 and a novice would have no idea. [2]
GetRektus
Exactly.
LastElf
Yep, that's why I scoff at people who go "But I have a 2gb GPU!" when I'm just sitting there "Yeah but it has enough power to display a BR"
johnvictor
From my experience, you consider the mobo first. A good, high quality mobo carries a build for a lot longer than a video card.
LastElf
I'm still running an Asus X58 Premium board from back in the 1st gen i7 days with a 950 on it. Next upgrade is to 5th gen and DDR4
johnvictor
With that, you've saved hundreds if not thousands on having to buy a new mainboard. Future proofed builds are inexpensive in the future.
LastElf
Yep, and even the next time around I'll only be getting a good i5. Games don't need it and I have another i5 here that does my rendering
johnvictor
There's so many other bottlenecks in a system for games that having the highest end stuff is just bragging rights anymore.
secondcoming
Unless you are looking at over clocking or need a speceific set of features an expensive motherboard is a waste of money
johnvictor
Future proofing purposes. Not talking about bleeding edge but high end so you can use it for several generations of hardware.
LesbianTrappedInManBody
What's wrong with it?
warick
Also doesn't even begin to discuss operating systems.
LastElf
1 Calls it a budget PC but doesn't give examples, no install guide, lots of "You can get this but you could get this" which explains nothing
mobooya
I stopped reading in part 1- "games are not highly threaded" as a 3d graphics hardware designer I was shaking my head
LesbianTrappedInManBody
What does highly threaded mean?
TheCavalry
*Poorly imitating that voice from StarCraft* You require additional cores.
TobyHinloopen
4 It is subjective without reasoning.
LastElf
2 If it's a guide to the console gamers (First paragraph) then assume they know nothing. This has so much assuming in it I can breed donkeys
TobyHinloopen
4 It is subjective without reasoning.
TheCavalry
What others have already said. My main issue with it is I think he's really low-balling the "minimum" specs.
LastElf
3 Also has no recommended brands, at the very least you need to steer people away from terrible PSUs, RAM, SSDs, etc
Spacelyy
As an idea, if you think it is bad. Can you make an improved version. I'm looking to build and I'm lost, would at least help me out. <3
colacp
Tom's Hardware Guide
ineverknowwhattouseformyusername
Neweggtv on YouTube was a big help for me when I built my PC.
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
or not you're willing to use used parts, I can recommend a build and where to buy most of the components. [2]
JustSayingYouHaventSeenMeAndBatmanInTheSameRoomBefore
Good resources: pcpartpicker, /r/buildapc (on reddit), logical increments, Tom's hardware.
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
If you tell me your budget, what you're looking to do with the PC (light gaming, heavy gaming, video editing, etc.), and whether [1]
LastElf
I have some component guides but they're not fit for Imgur in their current state. If you want, pm me and I can give you some pointers
thisisthebesticouldowithouthaspacebar
I agree. He didn't even mention it all needs to be compatible.
LastElf
Not only that, no recommendations for an ~$800 build, no explaining what the parts do, no PSU calculator, no video for how to install it
forgetaboutfrdbhuokui
Not to mention how you can buy a high dollar video card from newegg that is old stock. 1/
forgetaboutfrdbhuokui
I am sure they make a good bit of money off people fallowing guides like this. 3
forgetaboutfrdbhuokui
Not knowing what you are looking at you will think the price is high so it must be good! 2/
EightYearOldsDude
Not being sarcastic, but if you make one I will read the shit out of it. You know us newbs. Don't want to google search
bugsinspace
Second. It seems Imgur likes this shit so jump on (lets just not turn this into r/pcmasterrace 2.0)
LastElf
Yeah, I'm thinking about it. Could make it a series of dos and don'ts for stuff like backups and common errors too.
LastElf
Yeah, I'm thinking about it. Could make it a series of dos and don'ts for stuff like backups and common errors too.
CapnJackHarkness
Honestly I'd like a tutorial on setting up RAID for a non-OS storage area on my build. I've never done it before.
KingTopher
Please do, I'm very interested in building a computer as I plan on going into computer science. Having a base computer to upgrade when >>>
KingTopher
ever I have the money would be great. I would love to see how you would do it since you do it for a living.
LastElf
I just buy mid-tier in a 3 year cycle. I originally had 460's but upgraded to 660TIs, cpu/mb/ram is next once DDR4 comes out. Last year was-
LastElf
-peripherals. I line up my upgrades with my formats and mostly just upgrade as needed. 1 core, 2 gpu, 3 extras (case, psu, kb/m, etc)
GingerTron2000
Please do!
synergy482
As someone who HAS done this before.. YES PLEASE!
gruenherz
pretty please!!
Druupwnz
I would gobble that up, if you need convincing. I've all but purchased my first rig, it would be uber-helpful.
EngineerZero
I really wanna know how to mount two mid-high end gpus without restricting airflow to one card; for some reason, motherboards don't seem to
LastElf
you have enough airflow in the case so they're not blowing stale air.
EngineerZero
Have adequate space between two large gpus when crossfired/sli
LastElf
have any issues with cooling. I run 2x660TIs in my build and I haven't had any cooling problems in an Australian summer. Just make sure 2/
EngineerZero
for real? ok, thanks man. i have a 7870 and wouldnt mind buying a second but was worried cos i've seen a few videos that mention the issue.
LastElf
Get a motherboard with 3 slots between the PCI-E slots instead of 2. Asus has a few of them. Otherwise as long as they're stock you won't 1/
EngineerZero
do they make sli/crossfire cables that reach that far?
Jusmar
"Most high end gpu's are 16x in size. 8x is half and 4x is a quarter slot." No, that's the rate of bandwidth available to the PCIe card.
shadowex3
Yeah this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
forgetaboutfrdbhuokui
I was laughing when i read that i then downvoted this. it shouldnt be on the front page its going to screw over so many people.
xDownSetx
Bandwidth is a direct correlation to the physical lanes a slot has. He's not wrong, it's just a vague description.
Jusmar
To me it sounds like he's talking about the physical size of the cards, not just the lanes.
SwissArmyCake
If I ever get enough money to do this, I'm gonna use the case off my Windows 98 just to fuck with people.
Falcrist
The sleeper PC isn't a new idea, but I still chuckle when I see one. :)
stonaaar
Graphics card != GPU, GPU is the processor used on a graphics card.
sanitypotion
A quad-core Intel for a budget build, eh? What if budget means under $400? (I've actually been looking around on eBay for deals on stuff 1/2
secondcoming
Even the lowliest new Intel processor is more than capable of playing recent AAA games if combined with a decent GPU.
sanitypotion
like graphics cards, since the most demanding game I'll play for years is Garry's Mod. GT640s go for as low as $50!) 2/2
DukeOfPBJ
Garry's Mod can actually be hard to run sometimes because some servers are just filled with LUA addons
imredheaded
A note for HDD's: Research fail rates. Hitachi/Western Digital are top tier with like 2% fail rates, Seagate is up at ~10% after 1 year
LordGalen
Yes, I used to be brand loyal to Seagate until my FOURTH drive failed. WD ftw!
dedodi
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hardware.fr%2Farticles%2F810-6%2Ftaux-pannes-composants.html
AllTheFunnyOnesAreGone
Also HDD's are bloody cheap so get a drive larger than 1TB.
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
I'd say that depends on your needs. No point in getting way more than you'll need in the next few years. You might need more space [1]
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
down the road but you can always buy it as needed and, by then, it'll be cheaper than it is now. [2]
imredheaded
Also, the PSU is hugely important. Possibly the most important choice and it likely wont need upgrading for a VERY long time. Get quality.
spLagger
yea PSU is usually overlooked
GoingFullPotato
and don't forget : never pay full price. Slickdeals.net > > > >
imredheaded
True. Great thing about building with patience is you can save a couple hundred buying each piece on sale over a period of a couple months
GoingFullPotato
Yeah man, I got my two GTX 780s for $750. R9 290xs are under $500 all of the time on that site.
buttobviousfacts
Yes, even I read that 'revealing' article that took the internet by the storm a few months ago. It's a sham. All HD brands are equally bad.
imredheaded
I have no clue what article you are talking about o.o Some brands are REALLY bad though.
buttobviousfacts
Some web hosting company did a sham 'expose' of HD bands based on years of data they had about all the brands they used. PMed you the link.
knox902
I was always a Maxtor fan so its an easy switch to WD. I have an Seagate that's failing right now. 2tb. Hitachi are good too.
imredheaded
Yea, my seagate is failing right now too (sadly after only 7 months...)
madmatt2024
A Maxtor fan!? Weren't they one of the worst HDD when it came to failure rates?
knox902
I have had one fail, unlike Samsung's. I've never seen more fail than Samsung drive bar none.
imredheaded
For a GPU it depends on what you want. If you are fine at 1080p you can spend $200 and be great, if you want higher you need to spend more
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colacp
Always go with the most expensive, newest Nvidia that you can afford.
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
In that price range, I second the R9 280 recommendation. Paired with a decent CPU, it will play most games on high settings at 1080P.
imredheaded
Unless you care about CUDA processing (ie video encoding type stuff) go with an R9 280
buttobviousfacts
Plus Physx. More bang for the buck as compared to AMD.
imredheaded
Physx isnt universally supported and is a fairly minor improvement (imo) and can be disabled often. Not too important IMO.
imredheaded
Motherboards are about features, find a reputable brand (msi, ASUS, etc) with what you want in it. If you dont OC you can go cheaper here
secondcoming
100% agree
TobyHinloopen
As a PC nerd, this information is subjective and inco
TobyHinloopen
Incomplete*
iAreNubcake
Such irony. :P
oldmidget
so much wrong
REV076
well yeah, i would like to make part 2 of that if OP allows me to do so
ItsCaptain0bvious
This. Claiming to try and help, but provide useless info, is like blind-leading-the-blind.
badmonkey0001
"duel core" I imagine my CPUs fighting now...
thisisthebesticouldowithouthaspacebar
Only one will win!
imaplayer94
planetside 2 makes my i7 huff and puff.
aphocus
the i5 and i7 perform the same because Planet Side 2 isn't multithreaded.
imaplayer94
i know i got it since i'll eventually give it to my family and im going for the longevity.
aphocus
Wasn't criticising your purchase, more so the games lack of multithreaded support.
Sasarious
That game has shit optimization. Shame
mishaila
As a computer engineer... The oversimplification boggles my mind but kudos to you OP.
SmeagleProbs
Just built a quality pc with pcpartpicker, 100 percent worth
IHateThinkingUsernames
for later use
SenorFancyPantalones
url to build?
professorflimflam
Once I built a toilet out of legos.
Sherl0ck
Did it flush?
6enericUsername
How much $? Looking to build one as well. I like Xbox, but I love playing modded GTA games.
Tosh010
It might be worth noting that even with pcpartpicker there is a small chance that your components wont be compatible.
TheOtherTargaryen
Just did this as well! I7 16gb ram, 512 ssd, 780gtx 6g, 1tb hdd
Unklejrad
this! it takes a lot of the guesswork out of what is/isn't compatible, so you can just focus on the actual specs that you need
PoppinLochNessHopster
compatible? Only old shit isn't compatible. The newer stuff is all interchangable.
Unklejrad
for people who dont realize they have to run a certain mobo with x processor and getting a psu that runs everything..that kind of compatible
PoppinLochNessHopster
I guess, best to buy the mobo and cpu in a bare bones kit though
Unklejrad
what do you mean by that? like buy an off the shelf computer just for the cpu/mobo?
GoingFullPotato
Slickdeals.net Make a deal subscription to your key words. I found everything at 30% off or better.
SuperBaconMan
... my right arm, left testicle, first born, and soul.
scarecrowman175
It was kind of them to leave the right testicle, at least.
Daktyl
Guys, I think OP meant "100% worth my right arm, left testicle, first born, and soul" as the ... would have me believe. AKA they like it :)
jdlsharkman
Explain.
sudoiamroot
is called joke
Kowabungo
I happen to like partpicker very much. Care to elaborate?
MillerLitesaber
My guess is that partpicker is pretty expensive and OP is doing this on a budget. Then again, I am but a lowly console peasant.
Kowabungo
Well that's my confusion. Partpicker is super useful for finding the best compatibility and deals in my experience...
PMmeYourSteamKeys
Doesn't work that well for most of Europeans.
ToastyMozart
It lets you customize the vendors it checks, you could probably set your version up with some EU online shops.
PMmeYourSteamKeys
Yeah, but you build PC for 1000$ on that site and you find same stuff on European sites and then you have to pay 2000$ for it :(
ToastyMozart
I meant I think you can set it up to reference EU shops directly, and pull it's price listings from there.
PMmeYourSteamKeys
Oh, I thought it only works for US and UK, didn't knew, thanks.
PMmeYourSteamKeys
which makes it difficult to choose right parts at your price range
P51VoxelTanker
I'm viewing imgur on my new PC right now, that I built on pcpartpicker. And aside from crappy US internet, its working magnificently.
Bonello
There are so many of us.
JustSayingYouHaventSeenMeAndBatmanInTheSameRoomBefore
Same, just built a new rig with pcpartpicker about 2 weeks ago.
r000t
At the risk of being lynched.... I'm REALLY happy with Comcast! Just got bumped to 105mbit for free! (never had a problem with CS, either.)
FBIhere
FUN FACT: 105mbit is really only a little over 12mbps. 1 bit=1/8 bytes
r000t
I'm... well aware? I just got done explaining the same concept to my boss when he asked if 500mbit can download 1GB in 2 seconds. Nope. 16.
chanieldoi
PSU is probably the most important when you're going for a budget build. Don't go so cheap that you're shorting out your system after a day.
secondcoming
It makes me laugh how many people have way over specced PSUs. For most PC's a decent 500W is more than enough.
chanieldoi
Most 500W PSUs won't outlast other hardware that goes into a build. If you're into your computer frying after a year, then by all means.
secondcoming
My current PC has an i7-4770 and a GTX760 in and is running fine on a decent 380W PSU which I've had for the last 5 years.
xDownSetx
Duel-cores fight to determine which is the alpha core.
IamNotAshamed
now I want a d-d-d-duel core
rapozaum
DOOODE, I noticed the typo and thought nobody was gonna say anything. Your comment made me LOL
KrazyKirby
GPU wins after both cores knock each other out.
xDownSetx
As GPU's are concerned, nobody wins when dualcores are involved.
houseofballoons
As a lifelong console gamer, I'm beginning to become extremely interested in building a PC. Seems fun and more personal than consoles
ImgurnariumOfDoctorGiraffus
My go to for converting console gamers is that I use my PC as a high end console, Xbox and PS controller are PC/steam friendly
ObamaLlamaDuck
If you, like I, still want to use a controller, you can get a USB wireless receiver for Xbox controllers for £6 on Amazon. 4 player too :D
MnemonicMonkeys
They're a bit of a pain to set up though, and is only supported by USB 2.0
ObamaLlamaDuck
... but it runs fast enough on 2.0. True that drivers are a little sketchy, but YouTube tutorials are plentiful!
MnemonicMonkeys
I know, I'm just letting people know so they don't spend hours getting pissed off cuz they put it in the wrong port
AuBoss
Yea building and upgrading it is half the fun. Plus you can buy a controller and play console games on your pc anyway.
buttobviousfacts
It is, and it has its own advantages. Mainly, the ability to upgrade or replace things that get damaged over years of use.
MnemonicMonkeys
Not to mention the ability to mod pretty much any game you have, now that Nexus has expanded
MisterM069
I was thinking the same thing!
knupauger
It depends on what you want to play. If you are into arcade- and adventure-games, stick with the consoles. For FPS-, open-world-, 1/2
knupauger
RTS-strategy- and simulation-games, your are better off with a PC. And yes, building your own rig is a lot of fun (and not very hard) 2/2
MisterM069
I was thinking the same thing!
yoloswag420blazeitmlg360noscopepro
PM me if you want advice - this guide is more or less too general with some major points left out.
FindYourChillMate
Do it. I switched and dont intend to go back. You dont have a spend a huge amount of money either. $600 and you can get a decent PC.
iAreNubcake
If you're really interested, shoot me a message. I've been building comps for a while and I'll help you get a good build together. :)
EndersShadow
I love how you can plug a 360 controller in if youre used to that setup. Of course using keys and mouse is a must but the option is nice.
AntiGravity33
Recently went from hardcore console to pcH4x0rrace and now i have no life. Be careful it is so much fun.
KyRazie
I wish I had read this I
KyRazie
Ffs... read this a couple months ago before I built my pc. Spent$600 so it wasn't bad, but I can't run the things I wanted to <3 thanks OP!
FindYourChillMate
$600 pc should be able to run every game on console settings at least. What the hell did you want to run?
KyRazie
dude so i totally didn't even realize you responded, i'm sorry. i built it so i could play ESO, but i didn't spend the money on graphics :/
FindYourChillMate
Haha thats fine and yeh ESO is fairly graphically demanding. What gpu did you get?
rattfink
Don't skimp on the case or PSU. They seem like easy places to save money but it's a bad call.
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FindYourChillMate
you noway need to double it.Unless you are running dual gpus you will never need something over 600 watts
spitfiremkiv
*high fives @rattfink* Good to see that somebody recognizes the most under rated part in a PC build.
Onyxalchemyst
It's funny, on my build I skimped out on the GPU, so I could splurge on the CPU, motherboard, and PSU. Cheap GPU works; I can up it later.
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Onyxalchemyst
AMD 7770 factory overclocked. I can play most games on high/ultra on 720p. I think I just have a little lower standards than most PC users.
buttobviousfacts
I'm on a 1080p, that makes it all complicated. I will need at least a GTX 760 to play all games at ultra settings @45fps.
WilsonWilsonJr
True. Also a good case and PSU will last you several builds. If ever you build a new one in the future.
xDownSetx
I wouldn't keep a PSU that long. Towards the 4th build you're still specing for that 800watt sticker, but it can't supply that anymore.
WilsonWilsonJr
Yeah, several was probably the wrong word to use. I personally wouldn't even reuse a PSU beyond 3rd build.
DrunkGermanGuy
Really, the PSU is pretty much the only part where you don't want to go cheap.
AFineMadam
Especially on the PSU - I've seen so many builds die to to HORRIBLE ripple and voltages.
shadowofacrow
PSU is SUPER important. A bad quality one case cause noise on your audio or electrical whine.
PontificalUndulationsOfBlasphemicGesticulation
Pro-Tip: An efficient PSU saves money! A Gold or Platinum PSU will be cheaper in the long run (2-5 years) than a cheap PSU.
dracanas
i cant believe, he didn't say anything about efficiency on the PSUs, generally i always recommended at least 80+ bronze PSU.
Quannix
Especially PSU. A bad PSU can turn your gaming rig into a ticking time bomb.
carabia
Bought 1 cheap PSU when on a tight budget, died after 4 years and took my MB with it. Read reviews and buy a proper PSU.
stamklank
As an IT'r, skimp on the case, if you don't mind the looks, you can easily built a computers without a case. It's really not a requirement.
Phenome
i 2nd that. get a decent case to begin with. imo its very important. i skimped on a case, which lead to shit cooling. and my GPU burned up.
maetryx
I used the same PSU from 2005 to 2014. It was a PC Power and Cooling Turbo Cool 510W.
CyberAkuma
RAM, PSU, Motherboard. Three components NEVER to skimp on, or you'll regret it.
NoItsACardiganButThanksForNoticing
You might think you don't need a full tower, you'll be surprised if you want to hide those fucking cables
PiratedVhsTapes
I got a Corsair 860w on sale for 179 plus 75 dollar rebate my friends made fun of me but they have replaced their 4 times now lol
Trecares
Look for a quality PSU with Active PFC. It will help assure your computer stays rock solid. A shitty PSU can cause unexplainable issues.
AdmiralGialAckbar
You don't need to spend a lot of money on a case, there's almost never a reason to spend more than $70 (Antec 300 anyone?)
thedeg
I used to have an Antec 300, and it made for terrible cablemanagement, I changed to a Corsair Obsidian 450D, its soooo much better.
AdmiralGialAckbar
Cable management is for people with OCD, it's really not that big a deal.
thedeg
I had a lot of heat and dust problems, cablemanagement and the new tower helped loads. Love the magnetic nets and whatnot
AdmiralGialAckbar
Heat problems? I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but my heatsink aint one.
tellemurius
Never buy a thermaltake case, what a piece of shit. Dents so easily and the paint flaked off plus the front panel broke off when removing.
megitsune
Mine's been fine so far, but I do worry about the pegs that hold on the front panel. What one did you have?
tellemurius
Thermaltake V4, i mean for a cheap case it was ok yea the pegs broke off first removal and barely can fit the top fans with mobo in place.
PhilFrox
To add to this don't buy something with LEDs. It may seem really neat at first but most cases lack an option to toggle them and honestly 1/2
PhilFrox
cases that do without are usually classier TBH. 2/2
flickerdart
Most notably, cheap PSUs don't provide the wattage they claim! Spend the extra bucks on a good brand.
Kwaj
Couple years ago I got a big GPU upgrade. I shoehorned it into my existing system, and bought tne minimum PSU it needed. So much crashing.
benj1008
More importantly: they may provide unstable voltages, making your system more prone to crashes. They may also have a shorter lifetime.
iAreNubcake
And also quite important gaming is the amperage on the +12V rail. Graphics cards need more amps than a cheap PSU can provide.
AFineMadam
A-fucking-men. And this is before we get to ripple and voltage - I've seen some PSUs go from 12v to 9v.
midnightauro
Never skimp on the PSU. It will either serve your faithfully or your wife will be ripping the dead one out in two months at 3am cursing. >.>
AgamemnonsMemes
Yeah, i spent 600+ on my Coolermaster case and bought a high end 1000W PSU to power everything. Too much heat/PSU problems in the past.
imredheaded
What the hell? 600+ on a case? And PSU wattage isn't as important as the BRAND as long as you have enough W to power everything.
AgamemnonsMemes
I was also kinda joking because i live in australia and everything is super expensive, it was probably like 150-200
AgamemnonsMemes
I live in Australia. And thats why i said 'high end PSU, i only said 1000 because it goes with the fact i needed it to power everything else
imredheaded
Ah OK.
buttobviousfacts
Was that meant to be sarcastic? or did you really spend 600$ on a case?
AgamemnonsMemes
It was partly sarcastic because i live in australia and everything is more expensive, it was more like 200 bucks, off the top of my head
buttobviousfacts
Personally, I prefer using a cheap case as a reference and customize it with more fans. Or use carpentry skills and make a new case. Cheap.
GetRektus
But silent? Fractal Design Define R4 is one of the best cases, maybe the best miditower case.
AgamemnonsMemes
My biggest problem was it needed to be significantly bigger than my old case to hold the new GPU, so i had to get a whole new case 1/2
rahrness
Skimping on the case/psu saves money short term, but NOT skimping on them saves money long term
TheBubblerum
I need a new case but the wife says the kids are more important pffft to that
Icantbebothered
You can have my old one for cheap though. It's still pretty good unless you need to run Crysis 3 on two screens at the same time. :F
Zalophus
Make them get jobs.
ZacMuerte
who needs kids when you have an E-ATX full-metal case? it'll only set you back their college funds. not like they were using it.
Solkanarmy
sounds like she's really on your case
molestmymonkey
Puns, puns, puns. Which are good? Which are bad? There's lots of other puns...
Ragnarockandroll
They always try to pull the kid card!!!
HansGrohlo
Just so you know, I bought a new case because of this comment.
TheBubblerum
http://imgur.com/wS6LakY
ElEversoris
Cooler master makes great budget cases in my opinion
ImCommanderShepardAndThisIsMyFavoriteImageInTheGallery
That's what I got! I think it was like $40, does everything I need and more, plus plenty of room for upgrades and whatnot.
Gokule
900D....
wexipena
Yeah, $300 for a case. Budget case, sure.
Gokule
wexipena
Sometimes, it happens that I don't catch that. Mostly when it comes to computers. Sad part of being computer tech. Sorry about that. :D
PoppinLochNessHopster
Why do you need a new case? use a shitty old one or no case at all, shaves 100 bucks off the total cost.
Apercu
No case at all is not a good idea. Having fresh air passing over components will actually cool them down more than open components.
TheBubblerum
dusty house, I live in the desert, no matter how often i blow it out it adds up slowly this current case is 6 years old. Need fans 2
H3X0
Try fan filters :3
NekoMiko06
We use an air compressor to blow out the dust
spLagger
Water cooling might be for you then
TomDikenhari
Water cooling still requires fans. Still the same old problem, just runs cooler.
azureraptor
Not necessarily. I knew somebody who had a large radiator rig. He built his, but they sell "water towers" now I believe.
jakeonehalf
I have a case just like the one OP had a picture of just sitting in my closet! I upgraded for more room so I could watercool.
AgamemnonsMemes
come on you can make new kids cheaper than you can make a new PC. Priorities..
chickenwingking
WHAT ARE YOU, SOME PEASANT?
ActuallyADog
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811124150
JustAGreyWizard
Get your self a Cosmos II, It can house your computer plus double as shelter for the kids!(honestly though, Amazing case.)
bsArtst
They're just kids. You could always make more.
HansGrohlo
The logic checks out.
NinjaBreadMon
I had to read this twice cause the first time I read wifi not wife
SenorFancyPantalones
fractal r4 < $100. and, you can give the card board box to the kids to play with!
Anonsy
My Dad bought that case. Fractal Design is the brand right? (also ignore this is a reply to a month old comment)
Falcrist
Make sure to leave the plastic bag inside. >:D
GamerPIps
I like the way you think
SuperBaconMan
Ehhh its just your kids.
MisterWho
Hopefully. We'll need a DNA test though, if they make a move for the Iron Throne.
Chronomechanist
Also, from what I understand, child protection services do this great deal where they come and take your kids away for free if you're good.
HodgePodgekin
Do they have any promotions or discounts this week or ever?
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
We can make some more. Nature is a whore.
olavdeng2
eh, they can survive without food for a bit, right?
HodgePodgekin
Builds character, and teaches them survival
olavdeng2
exactly, kids these days, so weak and greedy *realizes he is 18 and hides because he is also weak
olavdeng2
exactly, kids these days, so weak and greedy *realizes he is 18 and hides because he is also weak
olavdeng2
exactly, kids these days, so weak and greedy *realizes he is 18 and hides because he is also weak
CemestoLuxobarge
Plenty more where those came from. Everyone needs a few practice kids to get it right anyhow.
Oismium
I wish I could favorite this comment
strkr101
But.... I'm the oldest, and I don't think I turned out THAT bad...
CemestoLuxobarge
16 days ago!
fasdaffas
Fuck that noise. Put the kids on the corner to work toward next SSD upgrade.
layeredborder
You can always argument that a new case means that the kids get to play with the computer, leaving you two more time to make more kids.
wronghole
SSDs, tell them of the SSDs!
mynameislinknotzelda
I don't want any diseases from building computers!
Geomaster44
I suggest getting a 60GB for a boot drive, then a 120-256GB for your favorite games and programs like Sony Vegas and Adobe Products.
AuBoss
This was all I wanted to add. two HDDs are key. A SSD for you OS and then a 1TB (or larger) drive for storage.
Swift2568
ssd is for your os drive, still gotta have a second drive for steam games, and a backup plan for when your ssd hits end of life in 24 months
yazwho
Why? A 480G SSD is, what, £200? Buy two. Job done.
wronghole
If you burn up an SSD in 24 months you're probably doing it wrong.
ironmansdildo
DONT LEAVE SSDs HANGING!
stevetehpirate
Are the SDDs getting more reliable. Back when I built my last rig they were prone to frequent errors and data corruption.
EmperorPain
SSDs are fucking amazing, I've got a 250 for my boot drive and most often used games. practically no load times however even at ~$0.50 (1/2)
EmperorPain
a GB the little shits are expensive for any decent size If you are tight on cash do as I did go for a 250 and a 1TB 7200 rpm HDD for (2/3)
EmperorPain
Games you use less often or games you only plan to play through once. Eventualy I hope to add a 1TB SSD so all my games can load fast (3/3)
Jawn
Don't they "burn out" much quicker than HD's? At least if my tech wizard friend's bitching is to believed.
Monochron
No. Spinning drives time to death is much shorter than SSDs. SSD cells finite lives though, while spinning is more up in the air.
ironmansdildo
Not really with todays tech, they has less mechanical/moving parts and produce less heat. But they are sensitive to impact. So becareful.
Trecares
It's simple. Use SSD's for games and stuff that doesn't change a lot. Using a SSD for video editing or significant data changes is retarded.
steakfight
See this, for example: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8239/update-on-samsung-850-pro-endurance-vnand-die-size. Wear is a non-issue.
toomanythingstothinkabout
They are talking about a limited read/write ceiling in SSD but for most users you will never hit the ceiling unless you also stream pr0n
Trecares
Reading from a SSD does not affect it's lifespan. Only when writing as that causes wear and tear on the cell being written to.
Jawn
Ah, yeah, they mainly work with video and stuff, 4K and whatnot, moving hundreds of gigs around a day. So makes sense.
nekobaka
SSDs have a limit in write-operations, but todays SSDs come with backup "cells" and very sophisticated controllers (1/2)
nekobaka
that spread the wear. just make sure to follow a few basic guidelines (no defrag, leave 10-20% storage free) and it'll outlife(?) your hdd
WhimsicalCalamari
(since you're asking, "outlive")
leflyingfish
Live, outlive Mr. President
Corona688
They slowly and inevitably die the more you use them. Very different from a mechanical HDD
yazwho
Nothing worse than that 'tick tick' sound of death... :/
Seanalanmorris
Right, the mechanical HDDs die all at once.
Corona688
Not really, no.
Seanalanmorris
I speak from personal experience, your mileage may vary.
yazwho
John Snow, is that you?
yazwho
Which just slowly dies the more you use them, until a bearing goes and the arm collapses onto the disk.
Corona688
It slowly wears out, period. Very different from use-based wear.
yazwho
Not sure what your saying...
RIPSlurmsMckenzie
Juat bought my 2ed one lol. Speed of light mofo!
MyDragonHeartedSpirit
A word to minecrafters: stay away from these if you can help it. Minecraft rewrites CONSTANTLY while playing, & will kill it fast.
Nomnaut
For budget gaming? No.
Imghurrr
Seriously it's probably the most important component of a modern computer.. need the ssd if you want a fast computer
cwwazywazy
If you have money, get a decent size SSD or even two. If not, stick to HDDs or have a small boot SSD.
LmaoWhoresuit
dont forget to redirect your profil and programs directory in the registry...
Timexican
Also don't overlook SSHDs or whatever they wanna call the hybrids. Amazing for budget builds.
NoItsACardiganButThanksForNoticing
I don't have much in terms of music. roommate and I use a file server for movies and shows. So I went big and got a 480GB SSD
multiwordusernamesaredifficulttoreadwithoutcamelcase
Yup I did the same. I got tired of the HDD noise so I set up an NAS in a corner and went full SSD on my desktop. So good!
NoItsACardiganButThanksForNoticing
mhm I just use my HDD as backup for my music and docs so i dont lose anything. Everytime I go into it, it starts spinning up. takes forever!
Monochron
This is focused on a budget build I think. SSDs are super powerful, but can inflate your budget a bit.
wronghole
<.50/gig right now isnt going to inflate you too much. extra 50-70 bucks is worth it in my opinion.
Monochron
*Extra 50-70 bucks in addition to a fraction of the storage. For that big a difference, it might be worth it for some.
wronghole
for 12second cold boot it's worth it for me. Not everybody cares about speed. but like i said, in "my opinion".
Monochron
Yeah it's absolutely worth it for me too. I went with only 64 GB for months over an equally priced spinning drive to save money.
Jusmar
Still overpriced for anything but a bootdrive so get a smallish one and put all your most used stuff on it?
NoItsACardiganButThanksForNoticing
I put everything on it since i dont have much stuff locally stored. We use a file server for movies and shows so i got a 480GB
nekobaka
just remember that a Win7 installation plus a few tools already reaches 30-40GB. add your fav. two games and you might need a 120GB SSD.
diddiz
Exactly.
Saucy
80gb goes far. I have Win7 and BF4+DLC:s on it
tellemurius
err, you can get a quality 256gb drive for 100 bucks now compared to 220 last year
InboxMeYourOods
yeah, prices are INSANELY good now and only getting better. 1TB SSD will be a standard within a couple years.
thebarnet
Or you can can have 2TB for nearly the same price and has the same transfer rate to the mother board
NekoMiko06
Would a computer with 100BASE-T tech connect to the internet as fast as one with 10GBASE-T tech just because both are using a Cat6a cable?
thebarnet
that depends on factors such as the network infrastructure and the internet connection quality
Monochron
Where? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147248
Secsletariat
It's *supposed* to be the Crucial MX100 which went below $100, but I'm not sure all stores have gone that low - newegg is ~$111
Monochron
Though, it's all SSD, so slight fluctuations don't mean all that much *shrugging ascii guy*
Monochron
I've heard that the MX100 doesn't really have the performance of the EVO. Neither of which match an 840 Pro or Intels top line.
Jusmar
By "quality" you mean refurbs?
lotlp
Samsung 840 EVO level quality.
Monochron
Not unless it is massively onsale. The 256GB EVO is $170 right now.
Jusmar
$150 on deep sale, but otherwise it's $190 or $180.
Jusmar
There are no 256 GB evos for less than $100.
lotlp
To clarify to the commenters, it's about 100 euros here where I live, usually the dollar/euro prices on hardware are very similar
andrios
Want to hear a funny joke? I bought a 64GB SSD and thought it would be enough. In 2013.
IalwaysDOWNvoteSTUPID
RAID is cheaper and faster
wronghole
Raid SSD is even FASTER!
slag
Yeah, SSDs for boot drive at least. You can get a 120-240gb drive for $60-$150 now pretty easy. And it makes a big difference.
holgerdk
Once you go SSD, you never go back to HDD.
harbot
Once you switch, you never go back. Lower loading time with OS, games and software makes your day. Buy HDD as storage.
LokiKingOfJotunheim
OS, yes. Games, FUCK NO. My Steam folder alone is over 1TB...
harbot
You can have multiple game folder in multiple hard drives. I put my favorite games in SSD and keep other HDD as storage.
LokiKingOfJotunheim
That is way too much work. Only thing an SSD helps with is load times and that isn't something I'm worried about with my games...
harbot
If you like to spend time waiting instead of playing. ;)
Monochron
Just keep a couple games on the SSD at a time and the rest "on the bench" on the spinning drive. Relatively small transfer times.
LokiKingOfJotunheim
No thanks. You aren't honestly going to see much of a performance increase over a hybrid drive when playing a game. I'm already on Ultra...
Monochron
SSDs aren't going to make a noticeable difference with graphics, they will decrease start time and load time immensely.
Saucy
You can split the steam folders. If you want a game you play often, add a new steam folder library on your SSD, and keep rest on the HDD
LokiKingOfJotunheim
I prefer my set up. Steam is on my 2TB hybrid drive as well as all of my other games. SSDs aren't a game changer for video games anyways.
azureraptor
This. It's exactly what I do. Been my experience graphically intensive shooters or RTSes _will_ benefit.
Saucy
yup yup, I have BF4 on my SSD. Map loads within 10-15 sec instead of 10min
IamNotAshamed
Games don't profit from it that much anyways. But programs like Photoshop do.
azureraptor
Depends on the game. I've done experiments with Payday & DX:HR and they seem to benefit.
IamNotAshamed
does it impact the framerate?
Thelosouvlakia
Too expensive for budget but corsairs lx series could work here
IalwaysDOWNvoteSTUPID
RAID is cheaper and faster
420praiseit
Windows 8 is your best friend
ghsdkgb
Is that what risk getting when you sleep with a PC gamer?
harleyran94
Tell them about RAMdisk
Corona688
Hasn't been relevant ever since hard drive caching became a thing 30 years ago.
harleyran94
I don't think you understand what RAMdisk is, it's hell of a lot faster than SSD
Corona688
I don't think you understand what caching means. The benefit of RAMdisk without having to actually reserve RAM.
harleyran94
there isn't anything faster than RAM disk at the moment, please do google it .
DrArbitrary
SSDs are great for enterprise environments. Users shouldn't be saving shit to their HD anyways so a small SSD works great!
nekobaka
it says "budget pc" in the title. SSDs got cheaper, true, but they're still pretty hefty and don't help gaming aside from loading times.
AuBoss
Loading times can be very important. Being last in to the map in an online game sucks
wronghole
Depends on the games. Games that are loading environments a lot will benefit greatly.
nekobaka
of course. that's what i call games with "loading times" (and hope that's a good enough translation)
harbot
Yes, if you look only storage/dollars ratio. If you look it in speed/dollars, then SSD wins. It's what you want to pay for.
nekobaka
100 euros are simply better spend for getting a GTX770 instead of an GTX750 Ti.
nekobaka
absolutely true. all I'm saying is that you will get higher FPS or GFX quality. So, for gaming, mostly useless. You just wait less.
harbot
Personally, I really love that my work software like Photoshop or Illustrator launches in 2-3 seconds instead of 30 seconds. :)
CapnJackHarkness
Yep, and that's why PC is so fun to do- you choose where the bulk of the money goes- speed, looks, storage... the world is your oyster.
steakfight
And when the data loads on the fly or as a stream? SSD. Less interruptions from background processes too. It's just seamless.
nekobaka
that doesn't change that when you're on a budget an SSD is close to being the worst choice for gaming. get a bigger GFX card instead.
steakfight
What do you need a big card for? Witcher, Skyrim, BF maybe? I'm puttering along fine on 650 Ti in Dota 2, Payday 2, State of Decay etc.
nekobaka
I run a 660Ti on a 2560x1080 primary screen. there are alot of games i can't run at max settings @60fps. and still quite some @30fps.
nekobaka
if you're already running a high-end system, SSDs of course are a valid choice. I use SSDs, they are great, but not cost-effective
steakfight
If you buy new. My 128 GB m4 cost me €20. We've got good drives now in the post market from 1-2 gens over.
nekobaka
ok, so i just checked ebay and the cheapest 128gb i could find used was around 50 euros including shipping. the CT128M4SSD2 is at least 65
Thekingofbeans
Eeeeeh... SSDs are still really bitchy about that wanting to work all the time thing
wronghole
I've got plenty of SSDs and they all work all the time. Even my old imation 64gb from like 2010, still going strong as a boot drive.
Thekingofbeans
That's more of an exception than a rule though, a lot of the time they can cause issues, especially in windows 8.
wronghole
Sources please, i have never run into any compatibility issues w/ W8 and SSDs that were set up correctly.
Corona688
An SSD was the first hard drive I dealt with which actually **NEEDED** firmware updates to not constantly malfunction.
yazwho
Def needs a citation. Although if you're using Windows 8 you deserve all you get! ;)
Thekingofbeans
Windows 8 is great operating system. And seriously? A winky face? Get that fedora shit out of here.
IrrelevantIsTheNewRelevant
yes, what are your thoughts about SSDs?
toonsniped
I have a 500gig ssd and I love it. My boot times are insane and I get better performance on any high end game I play.
LegendOfTheDeadCruiser
IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!
AndrewCase
Quick answer: Just get something that has enough space for your OS and major programs. Use 7200 RPM SATA for the rest. SSD is expensive...
Eipi
I use a 120 gb SSD for the operative system and the main programs. Everything is faster for sure.
Pepperanney
Absolutely amazing, shorter write limit than HDDs BUT HDD/SSD speed makes a HUGE difference to everything. Highly recommend.
whatthehellisgoingonhere
If you can afford it, go for it, 128/256Gb are enough, these are made to store OS and most used programs/games only. Add an HDD for storage.
SuperBaconMan
I have one and I LOVE IT!
LokiKingOfJotunheim
SSD for your OS and a hybrid drive for the rest. I've got a 4TB and 2 TB hybrid for Steam games and whatnot. OS is on a 120GB SSD.
CrysisAvoided
Buy one, Get one. even if only a small amount of storage if you just put your OS on it then that's fine. Your Comp will run that much better
Bladst
I just this week got my first ssd. My hdd died so I decided to upgrade and I can't believe I waited this long. So much better
red4182
Small, (getting bigger) expensive, (getting cheaper), and fast. Get one if you can.
toonsniped
Shit, I was looking at my drives to see what brand off ssd I have and noticed I have almost a terabyte of steam games.
imthesupervisor
I'm not the OP here, but I'd absolutely run one for the OS disc, and then run a large standard drive for everything else.
thisisthebesticouldowithouthaspacebar
At first I was like, eh it won't be that much faster. In short, buy the SSD.
swils
Short answer: Always
ubekame
It's just silly to store TV shows/movies on SSD. They're tiny and super expensive (cmp to slow mechanical HD), and you don't need the speed
swils
Oh, no argument. It's silly to store most anything on SSD. OS and choice programs.
CannotComprehendCookiedough
Just recently put together a build, and you should definitely invest in an SSD. Go outside the budget if you have to.
IrrelevantIsTheNewRelevant
Took over a week to get a GTX 650 and some intel i5
CannotComprehendCookiedough
Although you 'could' buy one later down the line when you have more cash, it will be much more difficult to move the OS over to it.
causamortis1
Probably the best investment, apart from the GPU, you could make. It's just so snappy and quick.
Unklejrad
naw, I'd much rather spend 800 on a gpu now, and a mehish hard drive with decent space, than the other way around
Unklejrad
guess i'm a little jaded though, before the last steam sale i was at a bit over 600 gigs of steam games....so SSDs to hold that are pricey
causamortis1
I have a 256GB and 128GB SSDs and 6TB worth of HDDs. I'll only install the ones I'm playing a lot on the SSDs. The rest go on the HDDs.
knox902
That's why you use a 120gb for a boot drive so you're not overloading your HDD. I always pair them now.
ToastyMozart
Usually you'll want to go hybrid, with a small SSD for your OS and programs, and a bigger HDD for games/video.
spLagger
Just depends what you need. If you need a lot of space and copy lots of small files sometimes I find using my Raptor is better than my SSD
alexvas
Definitely worth it! Very satisfying to have 5-10 second boot speed. Recommend to buy a small (128GB) SSD with a larger HDD for storage.
harbot
Or two. One for boot and for frequently used programs like favorite games or work software.
PaleJr
I still wouldn't use it for any major games. The objective is to minimize read/write to the drive. Any game that saves to your local (1)
alexvas
One larger SSD is cheaper than two smaller ones.
alexvas
Cost vs. benefit, I don
PaleJr
I still wouldn't use it for any major games. The objective is to minimize read/write to the drive. Any game that saves to your local (1)
PaleJr
Machine often might better be served on a different drive. (2)
PaleJr
Machine often might better be served on a different drive. (2)
SuperBaconMan
I have 2 running in raid 0 and my shit flies!!
iamireland
Are you a monkey? Hurr hurr hurr.
mioelnir
RAID Level: Kamikaze
sassandbalderdash
Those are delicious
Corona688
As will be the tears.
buttobviousfacts
I eat Mexican food and even my shit flies. We're even.
Renza0
side note for anyone who doesnt know - raid 0 is the "i want all my data to be permanently fucked" setup.
CptSnackBar
Been using raid 0 for years without problems. Tho, not with SSDs, yet.
Renza0
it is kinda rare for HDDs to go bad, especially ssds, but you are literally multiplying your chances of a basically permanent data loss.
AdmiralGialAckbar
This is what RAID 1+0 is for.
GetRektus
Why do you say especially SSDs? They are the ones in danger of faulting in RAID0 etc. http://thessdguy.com/ssds-and-raid/
CptSnackBar
I really don't see the problem, as long you don't store important files on it. And these days you can easily make backups on cloud services.
NoItsACardiganButThanksForNoticing
I can't imagine performance gains are relevant when you RAID 0 SSDs
HalifaxSamuels
I rarely see mechanical drives go bad, but I have a stack of dead SSDs on my desk. I'm an IT monkey for my corporate master.
CptSnackBar
I take it most of them are early generations? What brand?
HalifaxSamuels
That said, I still preach using SSDs for the system partition on any computer. So worth it.