So you want to build a budget PC.

Jul 21, 2014 12:44 AM

SuperBaconMan

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PC Master Race

I am not a fan of the "PC master race" crap. If you are gaming you are gaming and in the end you are having fun on your chosen platform. There are many reason that I prefer the PC over consoles, mostly the variety of games as well as the higher graphics of games. Im looking at you UBISOFT! That being said I have had an X-Box 360 and currently have a PS3 plugged in behind my PC

DISCLAIMER

I am not a professional just a hardware nerd. Everything in this guide is how I do things and not necessarily the "correct" way of going about things. Many opinions and blah blah blah. There are many YouTube channels that can explain these things better than me. My favorite is LinusTechTips https://www.youtube.com/user/LinusTechTips . Lets get on with it.

CPU

When starting off choosing components I always go for the cpu first. This is because the Mother board that you choose will be determined by the cpu socket type and most of the other parts are universal. The cpu is the brains of your computer. If you are going to be gaming then you don't really need all of the cores known to man to run the latest games. Duel-core would work just fine since gaming isn't a highly threaded operation. However if you are going to be recording and editing video, using a lot of photoshop, or producing music I would go with a quad core. Even if you think that you might do any of those things in the next couple of years just go with the quad to save time and hassle.

Choosing your CPU

There are a few things to consider when choosing a cpu. First is the number of cores. More generally equals better but you don't want more than you will use. High end rigs have 6 of now even 8 cores that are hyperthreaded, but that is a post for a different time. A Quad Core is considered standard. I am partial to Intel. In my experience the lifespan (if @ stock clock speed) is the same, but when overclocking intel is more reliable to over clock and will have a much longer lifespan. For a budget computer a quad core is my recommendation. You are also going to want to look at the clock speed of the cpu. Anywhere close to 3.0Ghz will do just fine. higher is better so if you can afford to spend a little more cash then feel free to get a 3.2Ghz or 3.4Ghz.

Mother Board

Next is the Mother Board (mobo). So many brands and options to choose from making this decision a little hard at times. Always start off by making sure that your mobo has the same socket type as the cpu that you have chosen. You will then be able to choose the size of board that you want. ATX is the most common but in the range is ATX-mini which is a small form factor, E-ATX which is an Extended ATX, and micro ATX which is for ridiculously small builds. Single or dual channel Dimm (RAM) slots. If you choose a one or two stick(s) of memory then a single channel would be fine. Dual channel is considered standard and is what I would recommend. If you aren't building a gaming pc then you might want some on board graphics. Some mobo's have integrated graphics as well as some cpu's. I don't generally recommend this because getting a cheaper cpu and mobo with a still cheap gpu will give you better performance than the intergrated for the same price or cheaper. SATA ports!!! Hard drives, SSD's, disc drives, and more run off of SATA slots. Know how many of what components that you will have that utilize SATA. BUy board accordingly. Most boards have more than enough so this generally isnt a problem. USB 2.0 and 3.0. USB 2.0 is common while 3.0 is just recently making its way onto the budget boards. If you have anything that uses a 3.0USB port than you may want to consider getting a board with one or two. Now the most important in my opinion is PCI Express slot sizes. 16x, 8x ,and 4x. Most high end gpu's are 16x in size. 8x is half and 4x is a quarter slot. In a budget build with a high end gpu you are going to want capability for at least one 16x slot. The others will remain unused until you decide to upgrade.

RAM

Memory (RAM). For gaming you don't need 245724562457276542819821658356gigs of ram. I ran with a, pretty crappy, 4 gig stick for years and never noticed the difference. I just slapped in an 8gig kit about a year ago when I started making music. RAM isn't had to shop for at all. You don't need a lot and there is only a few REALLY good brands. I prefer Corsair RAM Personally. Most of my peripherals are Corsair actually. Some people are super into ram clock speed such as 1333, 1600, 1866 ect. for a gaming rig fast is better but you wont need the super high end 2800 dimm of ram. I say as long as it is a reputable brand with 4 to 5 star reviews go for it. 1600 would be pretty good for a gaming rig.
If you are planning to do a lot of video editing and music producing then the more ram the better! some high end mother boards are compatible with up to 64GB of ram!

GPU

Graphics card (GPU). For a gaming rig this should be almost 50% of the cost of your build. You want this thing to be a BEAST. For me this is where I spend most of my time shopping. Looking for the perfect card for the type of games that I play. There are many in depth reviews on the internet that will give you all sorts of information. One of the biggest differences between GPU's is the different chip manufactures. Nvidia and AMD are both really good but I like to use a NVIDIA card in my rig. I like the performance and the GeForce Experience software that comes along with most decent cards. A card that has 2GB of DDR5 is perfect or more than enough for most all newer games. 1GB DDR5 is also acceptable but running at ultra settings may lead to fps spikes on more demanding parts of the game.

PSU

Power supply (psu) A power supply for a gaming rig doesn't need to be the 1200watt monster that the high end comps use. 500watts is more than enough for a first build. Just be aware what your graphics card requires. it may ask for a higher wattage psu to run optimally. If this is the case and you have your mind set on that gpu then grit your teeth and get a bigger psu. You wont regret it.

Hard Drive

Hard drives. If you have a LOT of steam games then a larger drive will be the best. I have quite a steam library on my 1TB WD Black and I am 600GB in. A 1TB will be perfect for those MASSIVE collections that some people have. you can always add more later! That is the beauty of having a PC, if you need more memory it is super easy to add to what you got!

Case

Case. I always choose my case last. Choose your size by the size of your mobo. Most mobo's are just a standard ATX size so there are a plethora of cases to choose from in this category. For me there are three things that I look for in a case on a basic level. Cooling, cable management, and LOOKS! You want this baby to stay cool. The cooler that your PC runs the longer and more reliable your components will be. No one wants ugly cables running everywhere in front of the things that you would want to look at! Having enough room to tuck cables behind the mobo tray and around the bottom and sides of the case is a must. This is a custom PC you want everyone to know that you built it yourself! There are tons of completely bad ass computer cases out there for cheap!

Fans. If there is a spot for a fan in your case, USE IT!!!!

UPGRADE IT!!!

Never forget that you can skimp on things like RAM and hard drives now because they are easily upgradeable! That is the most beautiful thing about a PC. If you want more out of it you don't have to buy a new one!

Helpful Links

http://pcpartpicker.com/ I loved this starting out!!
http://www.newegg.com/ Where I buy most things.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/
http://www.ncix.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/NCIXcom
https://www.youtube.com/user/LinusTechTips
https://www.youtube.com/user/SingularityComputers

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R.I.P. Noland 1996-2013 <3

My CPU/GPU/mobo were $350 combined. FX-8320 (Arrives tomorrow!) Gigabyte 970A-UD3P, used R9 270 GAMING. I also have an NZXT and 2 screens.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Even on a budget I'd strongly suggest a SSD for the operating system and a gold rated or better PSU pays for itself in efficiency.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I built my computer for $400 and it can run pretty much everything at medium or low settings. Looking to upgrade my CPU soon

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I like you, you said you built it for $400 and didn't claim you can run everything maxed out. Good ol' honesty!

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

That's the key to building a budget gaming PC, don't expect to max everything out. Then upgrade bit by bit until you can :)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It can run Valve games and slightly older games maxed out, but newer stuff like Watch Dogs or Battlefield 3 cause it some trouble.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Upvote for Linus.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

logicalincrements.com was really useful for me when I built my rig, the mods are really active and helpful too.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Never, ever, EVER, skimp on your PSU. If it goes, so does the rest of your system.

12 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Define "skimp". Rosewill PSUs are cheap and I've never had one fail, at home or the many we use at work. You need reliable, not expensive.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Sacrificing quality to save money. Rosewill isn't a brand I have personal experience with, but they do seem to be decent for the price.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Rosewill makes a lot of things. I typically have found that many of their products, while inexpensive, are of surprising quality.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

On top of that, don't buy an oversize-PSU! No single-GPU rig needs more than 500 Watts!

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

lolwut. thats terrible advice to give people.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Don't pay for more than you need, certainly. The only reason my rig has a 750 watt psu is because Corsair was having sales on newegg.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I've to admit that my next PSU will have 760 Watts too. Sadly Corsair&Co. specify their top-quality PSUs for unreasonably high wattages.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well hey, you've got room to expand now.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Haha, well, I'm leaning more towards a water-cooled mITX-rig at the moment with a 500 Watts SFX+ PSU. We will see :)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Bought a mother card from MSI. It was broken upon arrival. Also, this page is pretty neat for building: www.logicalincrements.com

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

What's a mother card?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Sorry, my swedish was leaking. I of course mean board.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm just giving you a hard time. Just send it back, they're usually pretty good about fixing things.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I did send it back, I was too impatient to have my new PC running though so I bought a new card in a local store.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I'm glad everything worked out, I'm impatient as well. How's it treating you? Enjoying it?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Nice guide OP. My suggestion would be to edit a bit more next time for grammar and readability. +1

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

linustechtips +1 but all you really need to do is go to his youtube and look around to find how to do most of it. tldr because i already knw

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'm looking at installing some me googleflops in to my transponder matrix.

12 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 2

Well, just make sure your rig runs on a 10meg pipe bandwitch frequency and a flux-capacitor ratio 1:potato.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

"I am not a fan of the "PC master race" crap." Then you have no idea what its actually about.

12 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 7

Any tips on building a server?

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Depends on what type of server you want. Basically though, a good CPU chip, lots o ram, and a good net port (gigaethernet) for gaming server

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

focus on high power efficiency, low TDPs, error correction and redundancy (ECC/RAID 1/etc)

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Just ask the imgur office. Everyone knows they´ve got the best servers of the whole internet!

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Depends - what sort of server?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

i guess i would want to focus on it being fast and lightweight..little next to none latency

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"Server" is a very broad term. What are you using it for? Games with friends? Commercial gaming server? Backup server? File server?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

lol..a file server

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I meant more along the lines of what you would be using it for. File server, game server, etc... more details = better answer! :D

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

PSU - amperage is important (higher is better), and if you've got a bunch of HDD's, keep in mind they use power too, so maybe 600W is better

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I have a 135w CPU overclocked (Phenom II X6), a 130w Graphics card (hd 7850), 3 HDDs, and a 430w power supply, brand > wattage.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

A 1000w PSU is no better than a 600W PSU if your system only draw 300W

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I wasn't suggesting 1000W - and amperage is still important - but i had four hard drives plus GPU, and needed more power.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

hard drives are very low consumption (maybe 20w max each)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

As someone who does this for a job, this is terrible as a first timer's guide. Good concept but execution needs a lot of work

12 years ago | Likes 227 Dislikes 9

I don't even do this for a job, but having learned how to build computers over time, and from experience, this is a terrible guide.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

them trips

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

... About pcs, and upgrading them. A first timer's guide to build and mantain/upgrade your pc would be awesome.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'd gladly make a post thats a bit more correct.. IT student here for a year or so now and make builds all the time.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

LOL damn that was good

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

well said brother, i am not defending the OP i also think that this is a poor "guide" but it's for the console peasants that wish to ascend

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Agree.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

http://www.logicalincrements.com/index.html is great. Graded PC's for every budget and everything compatible together helped me alot

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My current pc is three years old and while I don't know jack about pc, I assume most of the hardware is still good. I'd like to know more...

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I completely agree this is going to get someone into a bad build there is alot missing from this.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In your opinion, which is better? Linux or windows os? Im running windows on my desktop, it works well and I havent yet gotten a virus.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I put Linux in my PC build (Windows if pricey) and it's great for most things. But for gaming PC, go windows for sure.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Gaming is still Windows because of DirectX, but SteamOS is looking interesting. Linux is still a specialty, but works well in a pinch

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Because I do this occasionally and want to be able to distinguish between good and bad advice, what do you think the problems are?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

My reply to Chickity is my main rant about it, but mostly a lot of useless info and no recommendations.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not to criticize or anything, but you didn't even explain why.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I have in reply to other comments. Check Chickity's replies

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

intentions are good, but.. agree'd, a lot of core things weren't mentioned especially in compatibility and making sure your PSU is good..1/

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

also with power plug types for the GPU and motherboard. ram compatibility with CPU's as well, haswell being 1.5V ram etc. microATX/ATX ..2/?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

and benefits, onboard audio differences, and how to deal with errors since you won't have a company to support the PC you build yourself..

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

For those wondering about my system: i7 950, 2x660TI, 12gb RAM. Been upgrading it for 3-4 years

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Next cycle is CPU/RAM/MB once 5th gen+DDR4 comes out. i5-5570 and 32gb in a shiny new Corsair case are looking mighty nice.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Why do you need 32GB RAM?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Because Chrome is a huge memory hog when you have 15+ tabs open and don't reboot more than once a month. 4 screens means lots of switching

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There is something seriously wrong with your PC then. I currently have about 20 tabs open and it's using less than 1GB RAM

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And to future proof the system for another 4 years

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Please make your own post, i'm a life-long console gamer, looking to switch and can't decide on the best parts for my needs!!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That was what I was thinking. It's not specific enough to be helpful. For example, he talks about VRAM but mentions nothing about [1]

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

That's*

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

GPU models which are far more important. A 1GB Radeon 7850 will vastly outperform a 2GB Radeon 5770 and a novice would have no idea. [2]

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Exactly.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yep, that's why I scoff at people who go "But I have a 2gb GPU!" when I'm just sitting there "Yeah but it has enough power to display a BR"

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

From my experience, you consider the mobo first. A good, high quality mobo carries a build for a lot longer than a video card.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm still running an Asus X58 Premium board from back in the 1st gen i7 days with a 950 on it. Next upgrade is to 5th gen and DDR4

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

With that, you've saved hundreds if not thousands on having to buy a new mainboard. Future proofed builds are inexpensive in the future.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yep, and even the next time around I'll only be getting a good i5. Games don't need it and I have another i5 here that does my rendering

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There's so many other bottlenecks in a system for games that having the highest end stuff is just bragging rights anymore.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Unless you are looking at over clocking or need a speceific set of features an expensive motherboard is a waste of money

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Future proofing purposes. Not talking about bleeding edge but high end so you can use it for several generations of hardware.

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What's wrong with it?

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Also doesn't even begin to discuss operating systems.

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1 Calls it a budget PC but doesn't give examples, no install guide, lots of "You can get this but you could get this" which explains nothing

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I stopped reading in part 1- "games are not highly threaded" as a 3d graphics hardware designer I was shaking my head

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

What does highly threaded mean?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

*Poorly imitating that voice from StarCraft* You require additional cores.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

4 It is subjective without reasoning.

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2 If it's a guide to the console gamers (First paragraph) then assume they know nothing. This has so much assuming in it I can breed donkeys

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4 It is subjective without reasoning.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What others have already said. My main issue with it is I think he's really low-balling the "minimum" specs.

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3 Also has no recommended brands, at the very least you need to steer people away from terrible PSUs, RAM, SSDs, etc

12 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

As an idea, if you think it is bad. Can you make an improved version. I'm looking to build and I'm lost, would at least help me out. <3

12 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Tom's Hardware Guide

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Neweggtv on YouTube was a big help for me when I built my PC.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

or not you're willing to use used parts, I can recommend a build and where to buy most of the components. [2]

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Good resources: pcpartpicker, /r/buildapc (on reddit), logical increments, Tom's hardware.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

If you tell me your budget, what you're looking to do with the PC (light gaming, heavy gaming, video editing, etc.), and whether [1]

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I have some component guides but they're not fit for Imgur in their current state. If you want, pm me and I can give you some pointers

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I agree. He didn't even mention it all needs to be compatible.

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Not only that, no recommendations for an ~$800 build, no explaining what the parts do, no PSU calculator, no video for how to install it

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Not to mention how you can buy a high dollar video card from newegg that is old stock. 1/

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I am sure they make a good bit of money off people fallowing guides like this. 3

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Not knowing what you are looking at you will think the price is high so it must be good! 2/

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not being sarcastic, but if you make one I will read the shit out of it. You know us newbs. Don't want to google search

12 years ago | Likes 81 Dislikes 0

Second. It seems Imgur likes this shit so jump on (lets just not turn this into r/pcmasterrace 2.0)

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah, I'm thinking about it. Could make it a series of dos and don'ts for stuff like backups and common errors too.

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Yeah, I'm thinking about it. Could make it a series of dos and don'ts for stuff like backups and common errors too.

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Honestly I'd like a tutorial on setting up RAID for a non-OS storage area on my build. I've never done it before.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Please do, I'm very interested in building a computer as I plan on going into computer science. Having a base computer to upgrade when >>>

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

ever I have the money would be great. I would love to see how you would do it since you do it for a living.

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I just buy mid-tier in a 3 year cycle. I originally had 460's but upgraded to 660TIs, cpu/mb/ram is next once DDR4 comes out. Last year was-

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

-peripherals. I line up my upgrades with my formats and mostly just upgrade as needed. 1 core, 2 gpu, 3 extras (case, psu, kb/m, etc)

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Please do!

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As someone who HAS done this before.. YES PLEASE!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

pretty please!!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I would gobble that up, if you need convincing. I've all but purchased my first rig, it would be uber-helpful.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I really wanna know how to mount two mid-high end gpus without restricting airflow to one card; for some reason, motherboards don't seem to

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

you have enough airflow in the case so they're not blowing stale air.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Have adequate space between two large gpus when crossfired/sli

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have any issues with cooling. I run 2x660TIs in my build and I haven't had any cooling problems in an Australian summer. Just make sure 2/

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for real? ok, thanks man. i have a 7870 and wouldnt mind buying a second but was worried cos i've seen a few videos that mention the issue.

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Get a motherboard with 3 slots between the PCI-E slots instead of 2. Asus has a few of them. Otherwise as long as they're stock you won't 1/

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

do they make sli/crossfire cables that reach that far?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"Most high end gpu's are 16x in size. 8x is half and 4x is a quarter slot." No, that's the rate of bandwidth available to the PCIe card.

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Yeah this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

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I was laughing when i read that i then downvoted this. it shouldnt be on the front page its going to screw over so many people.

12 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 1

Bandwidth is a direct correlation to the physical lanes a slot has. He's not wrong, it's just a vague description.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

To me it sounds like he's talking about the physical size of the cards, not just the lanes.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If I ever get enough money to do this, I'm gonna use the case off my Windows 98 just to fuck with people.

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

The sleeper PC isn't a new idea, but I still chuckle when I see one. :)

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Graphics card != GPU, GPU is the processor used on a graphics card.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

A quad-core Intel for a budget build, eh? What if budget means under $400? (I've actually been looking around on eBay for deals on stuff 1/2

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Even the lowliest new Intel processor is more than capable of playing recent AAA games if combined with a decent GPU.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

like graphics cards, since the most demanding game I'll play for years is Garry's Mod. GT640s go for as low as $50!) 2/2

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Garry's Mod can actually be hard to run sometimes because some servers are just filled with LUA addons

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A note for HDD's: Research fail rates. Hitachi/Western Digital are top tier with like 2% fail rates, Seagate is up at ~10% after 1 year

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Yes, I used to be brand loyal to Seagate until my FOURTH drive failed. WD ftw!

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Also HDD's are bloody cheap so get a drive larger than 1TB.

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I'd say that depends on your needs. No point in getting way more than you'll need in the next few years. You might need more space [1]

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

down the road but you can always buy it as needed and, by then, it'll be cheaper than it is now. [2]

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Also, the PSU is hugely important. Possibly the most important choice and it likely wont need upgrading for a VERY long time. Get quality.

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yea PSU is usually overlooked

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and don't forget : never pay full price. Slickdeals.net > > > >

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

True. Great thing about building with patience is you can save a couple hundred buying each piece on sale over a period of a couple months

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Yeah man, I got my two GTX 780s for $750. R9 290xs are under $500 all of the time on that site.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes, even I read that 'revealing' article that took the internet by the storm a few months ago. It's a sham. All HD brands are equally bad.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

I have no clue what article you are talking about o.o Some brands are REALLY bad though.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Some web hosting company did a sham 'expose' of HD bands based on years of data they had about all the brands they used. PMed you the link.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I was always a Maxtor fan so its an easy switch to WD. I have an Seagate that's failing right now. 2tb. Hitachi are good too.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Yea, my seagate is failing right now too (sadly after only 7 months...)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

A Maxtor fan!? Weren't they one of the worst HDD when it came to failure rates?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I have had one fail, unlike Samsung's. I've never seen more fail than Samsung drive bar none.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

For a GPU it depends on what you want. If you are fine at 1080p you can spend $200 and be great, if you want higher you need to spend more

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

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12 years ago (deleted Jul 24, 2014 2:02 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Always go with the most expensive, newest Nvidia that you can afford.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

In that price range, I second the R9 280 recommendation. Paired with a decent CPU, it will play most games on high settings at 1080P.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Unless you care about CUDA processing (ie video encoding type stuff) go with an R9 280

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Plus Physx. More bang for the buck as compared to AMD.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Physx isnt universally supported and is a fairly minor improvement (imo) and can be disabled often. Not too important IMO.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Motherboards are about features, find a reputable brand (msi, ASUS, etc) with what you want in it. If you dont OC you can go cheaper here

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

100% agree

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

As a PC nerd, this information is subjective and inco

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Incomplete*

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Such irony. :P

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

so much wrong

12 years ago | Likes 56 Dislikes 14

well yeah, i would like to make part 2 of that if OP allows me to do so

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

This. Claiming to try and help, but provide useless info, is like blind-leading-the-blind.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

"duel core" I imagine my CPUs fighting now...

12 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 4

Only one will win!

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

planetside 2 makes my i7 huff and puff.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

the i5 and i7 perform the same because Planet Side 2 isn't multithreaded.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

i know i got it since i'll eventually give it to my family and im going for the longevity.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Wasn't criticising your purchase, more so the games lack of multithreaded support.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That game has shit optimization. Shame

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

As a computer engineer... The oversimplification boggles my mind but kudos to you OP.

12 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

Just built a quality pc with pcpartpicker, 100 percent worth

12 years ago | Likes 307 Dislikes 4

for later use

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

url to build?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Once I built a toilet out of legos.

12 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Did it flush?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

How much $? Looking to build one as well. I like Xbox, but I love playing modded GTA games.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It might be worth noting that even with pcpartpicker there is a small chance that your components wont be compatible.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Just did this as well! I7 16gb ram, 512 ssd, 780gtx 6g, 1tb hdd

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

this! it takes a lot of the guesswork out of what is/isn't compatible, so you can just focus on the actual specs that you need

12 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 1

compatible? Only old shit isn't compatible. The newer stuff is all interchangable.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 7

for people who dont realize they have to run a certain mobo with x processor and getting a psu that runs everything..that kind of compatible

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I guess, best to buy the mobo and cpu in a bare bones kit though

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

what do you mean by that? like buy an off the shelf computer just for the cpu/mobo?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Slickdeals.net Make a deal subscription to your key words. I found everything at 30% off or better.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

... my right arm, left testicle, first born, and soul.

12 years ago | Likes 133 Dislikes 2

It was kind of them to leave the right testicle, at least.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Guys, I think OP meant "100% worth my right arm, left testicle, first born, and soul" as the ... would have me believe. AKA they like it :)

12 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 2

Explain.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 4

is called joke

12 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

I happen to like partpicker very much. Care to elaborate?

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

My guess is that partpicker is pretty expensive and OP is doing this on a budget. Then again, I am but a lowly console peasant.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Well that's my confusion. Partpicker is super useful for finding the best compatibility and deals in my experience...

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Doesn't work that well for most of Europeans.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It lets you customize the vendors it checks, you could probably set your version up with some EU online shops.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah, but you build PC for 1000$ on that site and you find same stuff on European sites and then you have to pay 2000$ for it :(

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I meant I think you can set it up to reference EU shops directly, and pull it's price listings from there.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Oh, I thought it only works for US and UK, didn't knew, thanks.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

which makes it difficult to choose right parts at your price range

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm viewing imgur on my new PC right now, that I built on pcpartpicker. And aside from crappy US internet, its working magnificently.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

There are so many of us.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Same, just built a new rig with pcpartpicker about 2 weeks ago.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

At the risk of being lynched.... I'm REALLY happy with Comcast! Just got bumped to 105mbit for free! (never had a problem with CS, either.)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

FUN FACT: 105mbit is really only a little over 12mbps. 1 bit=1/8 bytes

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm... well aware? I just got done explaining the same concept to my boss when he asked if 500mbit can download 1GB in 2 seconds. Nope. 16.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

PSU is probably the most important when you're going for a budget build. Don't go so cheap that you're shorting out your system after a day.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

It makes me laugh how many people have way over specced PSUs. For most PC's a decent 500W is more than enough.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Most 500W PSUs won't outlast other hardware that goes into a build. If you're into your computer frying after a year, then by all means.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My current PC has an i7-4770 and a GTX760 in and is running fine on a decent 380W PSU which I've had for the last 5 years.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Duel-cores fight to determine which is the alpha core.

12 years ago | Likes 137 Dislikes 2

now I want a d-d-d-duel core

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

DOOODE, I noticed the typo and thought nobody was gonna say anything. Your comment made me LOL

12 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

GPU wins after both cores knock each other out.

12 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

As GPU's are concerned, nobody wins when dualcores are involved.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

As a lifelong console gamer, I'm beginning to become extremely interested in building a PC. Seems fun and more personal than consoles

12 years ago | Likes 65 Dislikes 1

My go to for converting console gamers is that I use my PC as a high end console, Xbox and PS controller are PC/steam friendly

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If you, like I, still want to use a controller, you can get a USB wireless receiver for Xbox controllers for £6 on Amazon. 4 player too :D

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

They're a bit of a pain to set up though, and is only supported by USB 2.0

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

... but it runs fast enough on 2.0. True that drivers are a little sketchy, but YouTube tutorials are plentiful!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I know, I'm just letting people know so they don't spend hours getting pissed off cuz they put it in the wrong port

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yea building and upgrading it is half the fun. Plus you can buy a controller and play console games on your pc anyway.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

It is, and it has its own advantages. Mainly, the ability to upgrade or replace things that get damaged over years of use.

12 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Not to mention the ability to mod pretty much any game you have, now that Nexus has expanded

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I was thinking the same thing!

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It depends on what you want to play. If you are into arcade- and adventure-games, stick with the consoles. For FPS-, open-world-, 1/2

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

RTS-strategy- and simulation-games, your are better off with a PC. And yes, building your own rig is a lot of fun (and not very hard) 2/2

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I was thinking the same thing!

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

PM me if you want advice - this guide is more or less too general with some major points left out.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Do it. I switched and dont intend to go back. You dont have a spend a huge amount of money either. $600 and you can get a decent PC.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If you're really interested, shoot me a message. I've been building comps for a while and I'll help you get a good build together. :)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I love how you can plug a 360 controller in if youre used to that setup. Of course using keys and mouse is a must but the option is nice.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Recently went from hardcore console to pcH4x0rrace and now i have no life. Be careful it is so much fun.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I wish I had read this I

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ffs... read this a couple months ago before I built my pc. Spent$600 so it wasn't bad, but I can't run the things I wanted to <3 thanks OP!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

$600 pc should be able to run every game on console settings at least. What the hell did you want to run?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

dude so i totally didn't even realize you responded, i'm sorry. i built it so i could play ESO, but i didn't spend the money on graphics :/

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Haha thats fine and yeh ESO is fairly graphically demanding. What gpu did you get?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Don't skimp on the case or PSU. They seem like easy places to save money but it's a bad call.

12 years ago | Likes 239 Dislikes 4

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12 years ago (deleted Jul 22, 2014 2:05 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

you noway need to double it.Unless you are running dual gpus you will never need something over 600 watts

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

*high fives @rattfink* Good to see that somebody recognizes the most under rated part in a PC build.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It's funny, on my build I skimped out on the GPU, so I could splurge on the CPU, motherboard, and PSU. Cheap GPU works; I can up it later.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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12 years ago (deleted Jul 24, 2014 2:01 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

AMD 7770 factory overclocked. I can play most games on high/ultra on 720p. I think I just have a little lower standards than most PC users.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm on a 1080p, that makes it all complicated. I will need at least a GTX 760 to play all games at ultra settings @45fps.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

True. Also a good case and PSU will last you several builds. If ever you build a new one in the future.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

I wouldn't keep a PSU that long. Towards the 4th build you're still specing for that 800watt sticker, but it can't supply that anymore.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah, several was probably the wrong word to use. I personally wouldn't even reuse a PSU beyond 3rd build.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Really, the PSU is pretty much the only part where you don't want to go cheap.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Especially on the PSU - I've seen so many builds die to to HORRIBLE ripple and voltages.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

PSU is SUPER important. A bad quality one case cause noise on your audio or electrical whine.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Pro-Tip: An efficient PSU saves money! A Gold or Platinum PSU will be cheaper in the long run (2-5 years) than a cheap PSU.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

i cant believe, he didn't say anything about efficiency on the PSUs, generally i always recommended at least 80+ bronze PSU.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Especially PSU. A bad PSU can turn your gaming rig into a ticking time bomb.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Bought 1 cheap PSU when on a tight budget, died after 4 years and took my MB with it. Read reviews and buy a proper PSU.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

As an IT'r, skimp on the case, if you don't mind the looks, you can easily built a computers without a case. It's really not a requirement.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

i 2nd that. get a decent case to begin with. imo its very important. i skimped on a case, which lead to shit cooling. and my GPU burned up.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I used the same PSU from 2005 to 2014. It was a PC Power and Cooling Turbo Cool 510W.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

RAM, PSU, Motherboard. Three components NEVER to skimp on, or you'll regret it.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You might think you don't need a full tower, you'll be surprised if you want to hide those fucking cables

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I got a Corsair 860w on sale for 179 plus 75 dollar rebate my friends made fun of me but they have replaced their 4 times now lol

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Look for a quality PSU with Active PFC. It will help assure your computer stays rock solid. A shitty PSU can cause unexplainable issues.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You don't need to spend a lot of money on a case, there's almost never a reason to spend more than $70 (Antec 300 anyone?)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I used to have an Antec 300, and it made for terrible cablemanagement, I changed to a Corsair Obsidian 450D, its soooo much better.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Cable management is for people with OCD, it's really not that big a deal.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I had a lot of heat and dust problems, cablemanagement and the new tower helped loads. Love the magnetic nets and whatnot

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Heat problems? I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but my heatsink aint one.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Never buy a thermaltake case, what a piece of shit. Dents so easily and the paint flaked off plus the front panel broke off when removing.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Mine's been fine so far, but I do worry about the pegs that hold on the front panel. What one did you have?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Thermaltake V4, i mean for a cheap case it was ok yea the pegs broke off first removal and barely can fit the top fans with mobo in place.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

To add to this don't buy something with LEDs. It may seem really neat at first but most cases lack an option to toggle them and honestly 1/2

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

cases that do without are usually classier TBH. 2/2

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Most notably, cheap PSUs don't provide the wattage they claim! Spend the extra bucks on a good brand.

12 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Couple years ago I got a big GPU upgrade. I shoehorned it into my existing system, and bought tne minimum PSU it needed. So much crashing.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

More importantly: they may provide unstable voltages, making your system more prone to crashes. They may also have a shorter lifetime.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

And also quite important gaming is the amperage on the +12V rail. Graphics cards need more amps than a cheap PSU can provide.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

A-fucking-men. And this is before we get to ripple and voltage - I've seen some PSUs go from 12v to 9v.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Never skimp on the PSU. It will either serve your faithfully or your wife will be ripping the dead one out in two months at 3am cursing. >.>

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah, i spent 600+ on my Coolermaster case and bought a high end 1000W PSU to power everything. Too much heat/PSU problems in the past.

12 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

What the hell? 600+ on a case? And PSU wattage isn't as important as the BRAND as long as you have enough W to power everything.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I was also kinda joking because i live in australia and everything is super expensive, it was probably like 150-200

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I live in Australia. And thats why i said 'high end PSU, i only said 1000 because it goes with the fact i needed it to power everything else

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ah OK.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Was that meant to be sarcastic? or did you really spend 600$ on a case?

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

It was partly sarcastic because i live in australia and everything is more expensive, it was more like 200 bucks, off the top of my head

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Personally, I prefer using a cheap case as a reference and customize it with more fans. Or use carpentry skills and make a new case. Cheap.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

But silent? Fractal Design Define R4 is one of the best cases, maybe the best miditower case.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My biggest problem was it needed to be significantly bigger than my old case to hold the new GPU, so i had to get a whole new case 1/2

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Skimping on the case/psu saves money short term, but NOT skimping on them saves money long term

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

I need a new case but the wife says the kids are more important pffft to that

12 years ago | Likes 960 Dislikes 2

You can have my old one for cheap though. It's still pretty good unless you need to run Crysis 3 on two screens at the same time. :F

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Make them get jobs.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

who needs kids when you have an E-ATX full-metal case? it'll only set you back their college funds. not like they were using it.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

sounds like she's really on your case

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Puns, puns, puns. Which are good? Which are bad? There's lots of other puns...

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They always try to pull the kid card!!!

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Just so you know, I bought a new case because of this comment.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Cooler master makes great budget cases in my opinion

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That's what I got! I think it was like $40, does everything I need and more, plus plenty of room for upgrades and whatnot.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

900D....

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Yeah, $300 for a case. Budget case, sure.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Sometimes, it happens that I don't catch that. Mostly when it comes to computers. Sad part of being computer tech. Sorry about that. :D

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Why do you need a new case? use a shitty old one or no case at all, shaves 100 bucks off the total cost.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

No case at all is not a good idea. Having fresh air passing over components will actually cool them down more than open components.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

dusty house, I live in the desert, no matter how often i blow it out it adds up slowly this current case is 6 years old. Need fans 2

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Try fan filters :3

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

We use an air compressor to blow out the dust

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Water cooling might be for you then

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Water cooling still requires fans. Still the same old problem, just runs cooler.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Not necessarily. I knew somebody who had a large radiator rig. He built his, but they sell "water towers" now I believe.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I have a case just like the one OP had a picture of just sitting in my closet! I upgraded for more room so I could watercool.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

come on you can make new kids cheaper than you can make a new PC. Priorities..

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

WHAT ARE YOU, SOME PEASANT?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Get your self a Cosmos II, It can house your computer plus double as shelter for the kids!(honestly though, Amazing case.)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They're just kids. You could always make more.

12 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 0

The logic checks out.

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

I had to read this twice cause the first time I read wifi not wife

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

fractal r4 < $100. and, you can give the card board box to the kids to play with!

12 years ago | Likes 52 Dislikes 0

My Dad bought that case. Fractal Design is the brand right? (also ignore this is a reply to a month old comment)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Make sure to leave the plastic bag inside. >:D

12 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 2

I like the way you think

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Ehhh its just your kids.

12 years ago | Likes 230 Dislikes 1

Hopefully. We'll need a DNA test though, if they make a move for the Iron Throne.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Also, from what I understand, child protection services do this great deal where they come and take your kids away for free if you're good.

12 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Do they have any promotions or discounts this week or ever?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

We can make some more. Nature is a whore.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

eh, they can survive without food for a bit, right?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Builds character, and teaches them survival

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

exactly, kids these days, so weak and greedy *realizes he is 18 and hides because he is also weak

12 years ago | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

exactly, kids these days, so weak and greedy *realizes he is 18 and hides because he is also weak

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

exactly, kids these days, so weak and greedy *realizes he is 18 and hides because he is also weak

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Plenty more where those came from. Everyone needs a few practice kids to get it right anyhow.

12 years ago | Likes 61 Dislikes 1

I wish I could favorite this comment

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

But.... I'm the oldest, and I don't think I turned out THAT bad...

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

16 days ago!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Fuck that noise. Put the kids on the corner to work toward next SSD upgrade.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You can always argument that a new case means that the kids get to play with the computer, leaving you two more time to make more kids.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

SSDs, tell them of the SSDs!

12 years ago | Likes 774 Dislikes 5

I don't want any diseases from building computers!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I suggest getting a 60GB for a boot drive, then a 120-256GB for your favorite games and programs like Sony Vegas and Adobe Products.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This was all I wanted to add. two HDDs are key. A SSD for you OS and then a 1TB (or larger) drive for storage.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

ssd is for your os drive, still gotta have a second drive for steam games, and a backup plan for when your ssd hits end of life in 24 months

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Why? A 480G SSD is, what, £200? Buy two. Job done.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If you burn up an SSD in 24 months you're probably doing it wrong.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

DONT LEAVE SSDs HANGING!

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Are the SDDs getting more reliable. Back when I built my last rig they were prone to frequent errors and data corruption.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

SSDs are fucking amazing, I've got a 250 for my boot drive and most often used games. practically no load times however even at ~$0.50 (1/2)

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

a GB the little shits are expensive for any decent size If you are tight on cash do as I did go for a 250 and a 1TB 7200 rpm HDD for (2/3)

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Games you use less often or games you only plan to play through once. Eventualy I hope to add a 1TB SSD so all my games can load fast (3/3)

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Don't they "burn out" much quicker than HD's? At least if my tech wizard friend's bitching is to believed.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

No. Spinning drives time to death is much shorter than SSDs. SSD cells finite lives though, while spinning is more up in the air.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not really with todays tech, they has less mechanical/moving parts and produce less heat. But they are sensitive to impact. So becareful.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

It's simple. Use SSD's for games and stuff that doesn't change a lot. Using a SSD for video editing or significant data changes is retarded.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

See this, for example: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8239/update-on-samsung-850-pro-endurance-vnand-die-size. Wear is a non-issue.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

They are talking about a limited read/write ceiling in SSD but for most users you will never hit the ceiling unless you also stream pr0n

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Reading from a SSD does not affect it's lifespan. Only when writing as that causes wear and tear on the cell being written to.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Ah, yeah, they mainly work with video and stuff, 4K and whatnot, moving hundreds of gigs around a day. So makes sense.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

SSDs have a limit in write-operations, but todays SSDs come with backup "cells" and very sophisticated controllers (1/2)

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

that spread the wear. just make sure to follow a few basic guidelines (no defrag, leave 10-20% storage free) and it'll outlife(?) your hdd

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

(since you're asking, "outlive")

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Live, outlive Mr. President

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They slowly and inevitably die the more you use them. Very different from a mechanical HDD

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Nothing worse than that 'tick tick' sound of death... :/

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Right, the mechanical HDDs die all at once.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not really, no.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I speak from personal experience, your mileage may vary.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

John Snow, is that you?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Which just slowly dies the more you use them, until a bearing goes and the arm collapses onto the disk.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It slowly wears out, period. Very different from use-based wear.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not sure what your saying...

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Juat bought my 2ed one lol. Speed of light mofo!

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

A word to minecrafters: stay away from these if you can help it. Minecraft rewrites CONSTANTLY while playing, & will kill it fast.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

For budget gaming? No.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Seriously it's probably the most important component of a modern computer.. need the ssd if you want a fast computer

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

If you have money, get a decent size SSD or even two. If not, stick to HDDs or have a small boot SSD.

12 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 2

dont forget to redirect your profil and programs directory in the registry...

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Also don't overlook SSHDs or whatever they wanna call the hybrids. Amazing for budget builds.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I don't have much in terms of music. roommate and I use a file server for movies and shows. So I went big and got a 480GB SSD

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yup I did the same. I got tired of the HDD noise so I set up an NAS in a corner and went full SSD on my desktop. So good!

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

mhm I just use my HDD as backup for my music and docs so i dont lose anything. Everytime I go into it, it starts spinning up. takes forever!

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

This is focused on a budget build I think. SSDs are super powerful, but can inflate your budget a bit.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

<.50/gig right now isnt going to inflate you too much. extra 50-70 bucks is worth it in my opinion.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

*Extra 50-70 bucks in addition to a fraction of the storage. For that big a difference, it might be worth it for some.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

for 12second cold boot it's worth it for me. Not everybody cares about speed. but like i said, in "my opinion".

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah it's absolutely worth it for me too. I went with only 64 GB for months over an equally priced spinning drive to save money.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Still overpriced for anything but a bootdrive so get a smallish one and put all your most used stuff on it?

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I put everything on it since i dont have much stuff locally stored. We use a file server for movies and shows so i got a 480GB

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

just remember that a Win7 installation plus a few tools already reaches 30-40GB. add your fav. two games and you might need a 120GB SSD.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Exactly.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

80gb goes far. I have Win7 and BF4+DLC:s on it

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

err, you can get a quality 256gb drive for 100 bucks now compared to 220 last year

12 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 1

yeah, prices are INSANELY good now and only getting better. 1TB SSD will be a standard within a couple years.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Or you can can have 2TB for nearly the same price and has the same transfer rate to the mother board

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 15

Would a computer with 100BASE-T tech connect to the internet as fast as one with 10GBASE-T tech just because both are using a Cat6a cable?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

that depends on factors such as the network infrastructure and the internet connection quality

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's *supposed* to be the Crucial MX100 which went below $100, but I'm not sure all stores have gone that low - newegg is ~$111

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Though, it's all SSD, so slight fluctuations don't mean all that much *shrugging ascii guy*

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I've heard that the MX100 doesn't really have the performance of the EVO. Neither of which match an 840 Pro or Intels top line.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

By "quality" you mean refurbs?

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 6

Samsung 840 EVO level quality.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not unless it is massively onsale. The 256GB EVO is $170 right now.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

$150 on deep sale, but otherwise it's $190 or $180.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There are no 256 GB evos for less than $100.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

To clarify to the commenters, it's about 100 euros here where I live, usually the dollar/euro prices on hardware are very similar

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Want to hear a funny joke? I bought a 64GB SSD and thought it would be enough. In 2013.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

RAID is cheaper and faster

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

Raid SSD is even FASTER!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah, SSDs for boot drive at least. You can get a 120-240gb drive for $60-$150 now pretty easy. And it makes a big difference.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Once you go SSD, you never go back to HDD.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Once you switch, you never go back. Lower loading time with OS, games and software makes your day. Buy HDD as storage.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

OS, yes. Games, FUCK NO. My Steam folder alone is over 1TB...

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

You can have multiple game folder in multiple hard drives. I put my favorite games in SSD and keep other HDD as storage.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That is way too much work. Only thing an SSD helps with is load times and that isn't something I'm worried about with my games...

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If you like to spend time waiting instead of playing. ;)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Just keep a couple games on the SSD at a time and the rest "on the bench" on the spinning drive. Relatively small transfer times.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

No thanks. You aren't honestly going to see much of a performance increase over a hybrid drive when playing a game. I'm already on Ultra...

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

SSDs aren't going to make a noticeable difference with graphics, they will decrease start time and load time immensely.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You can split the steam folders. If you want a game you play often, add a new steam folder library on your SSD, and keep rest on the HDD

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

I prefer my set up. Steam is on my 2TB hybrid drive as well as all of my other games. SSDs aren't a game changer for video games anyways.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This. It's exactly what I do. Been my experience graphically intensive shooters or RTSes _will_ benefit.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

yup yup, I have BF4 on my SSD. Map loads within 10-15 sec instead of 10min

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Games don't profit from it that much anyways. But programs like Photoshop do.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Depends on the game. I've done experiments with Payday & DX:HR and they seem to benefit.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

does it impact the framerate?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Too expensive for budget but corsairs lx series could work here

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

RAID is cheaper and faster

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Windows 8 is your best friend

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Is that what risk getting when you sleep with a PC gamer?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Tell them about RAMdisk

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Hasn't been relevant ever since hard drive caching became a thing 30 years ago.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I don't think you understand what RAMdisk is, it's hell of a lot faster than SSD

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I don't think you understand what caching means. The benefit of RAMdisk without having to actually reserve RAM.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

there isn't anything faster than RAM disk at the moment, please do google it .

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

SSDs are great for enterprise environments. Users shouldn't be saving shit to their HD anyways so a small SSD works great!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

it says "budget pc" in the title. SSDs got cheaper, true, but they're still pretty hefty and don't help gaming aside from loading times.

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Loading times can be very important. Being last in to the map in an online game sucks

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Depends on the games. Games that are loading environments a lot will benefit greatly.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

of course. that's what i call games with "loading times" (and hope that's a good enough translation)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes, if you look only storage/dollars ratio. If you look it in speed/dollars, then SSD wins. It's what you want to pay for.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

100 euros are simply better spend for getting a GTX770 instead of an GTX750 Ti.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

absolutely true. all I'm saying is that you will get higher FPS or GFX quality. So, for gaming, mostly useless. You just wait less.

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Personally, I really love that my work software like Photoshop or Illustrator launches in 2-3 seconds instead of 30 seconds. :)

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yep, and that's why PC is so fun to do- you choose where the bulk of the money goes- speed, looks, storage... the world is your oyster.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

And when the data loads on the fly or as a stream? SSD. Less interruptions from background processes too. It's just seamless.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

that doesn't change that when you're on a budget an SSD is close to being the worst choice for gaming. get a bigger GFX card instead.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What do you need a big card for? Witcher, Skyrim, BF maybe? I'm puttering along fine on 650 Ti in Dota 2, Payday 2, State of Decay etc.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I run a 660Ti on a 2560x1080 primary screen. there are alot of games i can't run at max settings @60fps. and still quite some @30fps.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

if you're already running a high-end system, SSDs of course are a valid choice. I use SSDs, they are great, but not cost-effective

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If you buy new. My 128 GB m4 cost me €20. We've got good drives now in the post market from 1-2 gens over.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

ok, so i just checked ebay and the cheapest 128gb i could find used was around 50 euros including shipping. the CT128M4SSD2 is at least 65

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Eeeeeh... SSDs are still really bitchy about that wanting to work all the time thing

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I've got plenty of SSDs and they all work all the time. Even my old imation 64gb from like 2010, still going strong as a boot drive.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That's more of an exception than a rule though, a lot of the time they can cause issues, especially in windows 8.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Sources please, i have never run into any compatibility issues w/ W8 and SSDs that were set up correctly.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

An SSD was the first hard drive I dealt with which actually **NEEDED** firmware updates to not constantly malfunction.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Def needs a citation. Although if you're using Windows 8 you deserve all you get! ;)

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Windows 8 is great operating system. And seriously? A winky face? Get that fedora shit out of here.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

yes, what are your thoughts about SSDs?

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I have a 500gig ssd and I love it. My boot times are insane and I get better performance on any high end game I play.

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IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!

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Quick answer: Just get something that has enough space for your OS and major programs. Use 7200 RPM SATA for the rest. SSD is expensive...

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I use a 120 gb SSD for the operative system and the main programs. Everything is faster for sure.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Absolutely amazing, shorter write limit than HDDs BUT HDD/SSD speed makes a HUGE difference to everything. Highly recommend.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If you can afford it, go for it, 128/256Gb are enough, these are made to store OS and most used programs/games only. Add an HDD for storage.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I have one and I LOVE IT!

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SSD for your OS and a hybrid drive for the rest. I've got a 4TB and 2 TB hybrid for Steam games and whatnot. OS is on a 120GB SSD.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Buy one, Get one. even if only a small amount of storage if you just put your OS on it then that's fine. Your Comp will run that much better

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I just this week got my first ssd. My hdd died so I decided to upgrade and I can't believe I waited this long. So much better

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Small, (getting bigger) expensive, (getting cheaper), and fast. Get one if you can.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Shit, I was looking at my drives to see what brand off ssd I have and noticed I have almost a terabyte of steam games.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm not the OP here, but I'd absolutely run one for the OS disc, and then run a large standard drive for everything else.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

At first I was like, eh it won't be that much faster. In short, buy the SSD.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Short answer: Always

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

It's just silly to store TV shows/movies on SSD. They're tiny and super expensive (cmp to slow mechanical HD), and you don't need the speed

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Oh, no argument. It's silly to store most anything on SSD. OS and choice programs.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Just recently put together a build, and you should definitely invest in an SSD. Go outside the budget if you have to.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

Took over a week to get a GTX 650 and some intel i5

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Although you 'could' buy one later down the line when you have more cash, it will be much more difficult to move the OS over to it.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Probably the best investment, apart from the GPU, you could make. It's just so snappy and quick.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

naw, I'd much rather spend 800 on a gpu now, and a mehish hard drive with decent space, than the other way around

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

guess i'm a little jaded though, before the last steam sale i was at a bit over 600 gigs of steam games....so SSDs to hold that are pricey

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I have a 256GB and 128GB SSDs and 6TB worth of HDDs. I'll only install the ones I'm playing a lot on the SSDs. The rest go on the HDDs.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That's why you use a 120gb for a boot drive so you're not overloading your HDD. I always pair them now.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Usually you'll want to go hybrid, with a small SSD for your OS and programs, and a bigger HDD for games/video.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Just depends what you need. If you need a lot of space and copy lots of small files sometimes I find using my Raptor is better than my SSD

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Definitely worth it! Very satisfying to have 5-10 second boot speed. Recommend to buy a small (128GB) SSD with a larger HDD for storage.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Or two. One for boot and for frequently used programs like favorite games or work software.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I still wouldn't use it for any major games. The objective is to minimize read/write to the drive. Any game that saves to your local (1)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

One larger SSD is cheaper than two smaller ones.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Cost vs. benefit, I don

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I still wouldn't use it for any major games. The objective is to minimize read/write to the drive. Any game that saves to your local (1)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Machine often might better be served on a different drive. (2)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Machine often might better be served on a different drive. (2)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I have 2 running in raid 0 and my shit flies!!

12 years ago | Likes 55 Dislikes 0

Are you a monkey? Hurr hurr hurr.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

RAID Level: Kamikaze

12 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 0

Those are delicious

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

As will be the tears.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I eat Mexican food and even my shit flies. We're even.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

side note for anyone who doesnt know - raid 0 is the "i want all my data to be permanently fucked" setup.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Been using raid 0 for years without problems. Tho, not with SSDs, yet.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

it is kinda rare for HDDs to go bad, especially ssds, but you are literally multiplying your chances of a basically permanent data loss.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This is what RAID 1+0 is for.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Why do you say especially SSDs? They are the ones in danger of faulting in RAID0 etc. http://thessdguy.com/ssds-and-raid/

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I really don't see the problem, as long you don't store important files on it. And these days you can easily make backups on cloud services.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I can't imagine performance gains are relevant when you RAID 0 SSDs

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I rarely see mechanical drives go bad, but I have a stack of dead SSDs on my desk. I'm an IT monkey for my corporate master.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I take it most of them are early generations? What brand?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That said, I still preach using SSDs for the system partition on any computer. So worth it.

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