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WayTooLateToTheParty
Yeah... this'll get me fried, but... he's not wrong.
Therearetoomanyusernames
The Catholic Church has enough money to end all poverty in the world. Contemplate that...
MarshallDaemon
2Pac isn't the only one saying it, but I wholeheartedly agree. They sure have some bad priorities...
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Jerenemy
That was Tupac lived a less then extravagant life, and allowed homeless to sleep in his home.
KingGambitB
Wasn't he a charitable guy? I think he was going to a charity event before he was shot.
Jerenemy
I'm not saying he wasn't. I'm saying that churches by large are far more charitable than anything he could have/would have done.
OvertheHillsandFarAway
I just wish religion would stay outa politics
rebelchem
As soon as politics stays out of my religion!
Mkminister
As soon as your religion doesnt get involved with everyones life.
ibearbadnews
He said "colored windows"...not "colored ceilings"...just saying.
LowFatBatman
Every time i see something this man said or did i get a little more sad
marzipanius
Me too, but it's only because of his ignorance and narrowmindedness. This statement of his, f.e., is completely void of any insight.
EyesLikeTheSky
But he's not dead, he's hiding in Cuba! Illuminati! Lolz
rashdanml
Or you know, the US could spend less on military ...
dammitiseveryusernametaken
Christian churches and charities are some of the largest charities in the world, and give a LOT of their money to the community.
SomanyLies
net worth of the church $170 billion 100 million homeless people on planet earth 870 million starving. Hippocrates
erischilde
They give money to countries so that they make homosexuality illegal. Bibles instead of food. Pat Roberts anyone?
Atocc
How do you know this? You have hard data to back it up?
DeadSchrodinger
A whole 5%!
CaptainDPooly
Alot of their money comes from other people anyways.
dammitiseveryusernametaken
They're largely donation-based, but so are most charitable groups.
CaptainDPooly
Donation-based is perspective. Catholic Churches technically tell you to be a a good Christian you must tithe.
dammitiseveryusernametaken
Not sure what the point is, but okay.
conquestconquest
https://deanlbailey.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/slide1_grandopeningwide_.jpg
dammitiseveryusernametaken
Protestant mega-church. Not exactly a dignified house of worship, but I don't see what's so bad about the picture.
conquestconquest
ugh
dammitiseveryusernametaken
*belch*
dammitiseveryusernametaken
(2) No offense to 2pac, but he's really being ignorant here.
Genjiisok
they are only try to fix what they did (crusades and shit)
dammitiseveryusernametaken
Crusades being series of complex international military campaigns w/ different causes, motivations, allies & regions spread over centuries.
dammitiseveryusernametaken
(2) Kinda unfair to think of the Crusades as a universally bad thing they did, but the various wars fought by other countries aren't.
roguebear
I don't think he is being ignorant here when things like this exist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml8bQDnnkKk
dammitiseveryusernametaken
Ah. yeah, mega-churches are plain weird. And from what I understand, they tend to be a lot less charitable, too.
dammitiseveryusernametaken
(2) But his comments seem more targeted at more traditional churches. But yeah, if he's talking about these guys, I can get behind it.
KingGambitB
i doubt he was generalizing. He was referring to what he saw in his neighborhood.
dammitiseveryusernametaken
...His neighborhood had a church with a gold ceiling? No wonder he was pissed.
KingGambitB
...and the vatican... using the same token, you think he thinks every church is embroidered with gold?
dammitiseveryusernametaken
Well, the Vatican's had the cathedral for a few hundred years, and it surved as the capital of the Papal states.
dammitiseveryusernametaken
(2) Just saiyan, it's a bit unreasonable to get rid of it centuries down the road. Should Italy destroy the colloseums?
skwerl
Since we pick up their tax burden, I'd say we're even.
dammitiseveryusernametaken
Considering their helping people world-wide, I'd say it more than evens out.
Lifestoohard
What about being almost single handedly responsible for aids in Africa. Remember, aids is bad, but condoms are worse.
Stonebank
they're* Mr. President
skwerl
Not when you factor in the harm they have perpetuated.
dammitiseveryusernametaken
Christianity's done far more good than harm. Now it's considered edgy, cool and educated to summarize the history with simplified negatives.
skwerl
Like the 800 Irish babies found in a septic tank? That's "simplified?" Take off your blinders, bro.
seeet
sauce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnmLl6Fm1MM
TimTheScifiGuy
That girl interviewing him didn't have a clue what he was going on about, haha. "Yeah... yeah... yeah.... yeah... yeah... teehee... yeah..."
VoPi
My church gives a lot back to the community. It also houses and feeds the homeless. A lot of other churches do this as well.
AllYourPeppermintAreBelongToMe
Mine, too. Also, there are only two paid positions at my church. Secretary and janitor. Even the elders aren't paid. No pastor.
NorthernPuffer
No enough and maybe not in the areas the need it the most, Do you live in a big city with a vast amount of poor?
ButtersTheCat
They should all be like that, but a lot just do lip service to helping the poor. Look at "Megachurches", for example. They're leeches.
ForsakenNoble
Same, I love my church.
AttorneyAtLager
US churches, on average, give 0.5% to charity.
Mark777
There are, Marketing Programs for Pastors or Preachers to attract more people and give their money, also they dont pay taxes, good biz right
GroundUpMoonRocksArePurePoison
Does your church pay taxes?
Dismang
i think "some" should have been used instead of "a lot"
xTheMaestro
In Metro Detroit I'm hard pressed to think of a church that doesn't either offer food, housing, or medical assistance.
xTheMaestro
Maybe one in Gross Point but thats because it's only used for big weddings.
JoeChill
Christian charities make up the the majority of charitable orginizations.
AttorneyAtLager
Only by numbers, not per-capita. Per-capita atheists give the most by far.
SatanCouldntBeHereTonight
...source?
JoeChill
http://www.nptrust.org/philanthropic-resources/charitable-giving-statistics/
SatanCouldntBeHereTonight
I'm confused. I promise I'm not being an asshole, I just can't find where that page supports your assertion.
Mkminister
Yeah. In Germany for example the church leads kindergardens and hospitals (paid by the state). They are good at lying though.
ShiverMePenguins
As someone Whom grew up with a pastor father and was a member of multiple churches. Every single one of them are for profit. they all 1/2
FacelessGod
As a pastor's son, that's a massively sweeping generalization.
ruferto
filled with penguins who fleece purple sheep. 2/2
squirrelnest
"as someone who knows about 1 church, let me tell you about all churches"
Flucksy
That's a nice anecdote. Got any sources to back that up?
Lenoodle
Ask and you shall receive
Mark777
Any more questions Flucksy?
Flucksy
No and I'm sorry, dear god I didn't expect that.
xTheMaestro
Well, Shivermepenguines said 'Every single one of them', so far worksa7 has accounted for 10. Few thousand to go for Christians alone.
jrvis
I mean, that may have been true for all the churches you attended, but it doesn't mean it's true of all churches. Limited sample size yo.
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jrvis
So youre talking specifically about Southern Baptist churches then? That I can get behind. Most of the Bible Belt types are pretty fucked up
ShiverMePenguins
From people I knew involved in methodist and catholic organisations it is the same across the board. A vast majority are in for mooney.
ShiverMePenguins
Have an agenda which is to grow bigger and bigger so the pastors in the church get a bigger paycheck. they give back on avg. 20% what earn
hitlersjuicyhole
As someone who also grew up with a pastor for a dad I can say this isn't always the case... He didn't care about the money, only the people
AllYourPeppermintAreBelongToMe
Therein lies a huge reason my church only pays the secretary and janitor. No pastor. Elders and deacons lead the church. 1/
JohnnyBoy11
20% is a lot though for an entity that's not a charity...
D0cH0lliday
How about for an entity that doesn't pay taxes? I wonder if i can get tax exemption if i start worshipping the flying spaghetti monster?
MattyBeFiya
Do you really believe that the overall agenda of each of those churches is only so that the pastor makes more moneys?
AllYourPeppermintAreBelongToMe
Every January, the budget is discussed with the entire congregation and people are invited to sit in on the monthly budget meetings, too. 2/
princessamdahla
May I ask what denomination your church is? And who gives the sermons?
germangirl1224
As someone who works in a church, I'm sorry for your experience, but that's not true
littlebigbot
He was talking about the ones he had experience with. There are good churches and bad churches and churches that are both. Like people.
germangirl1224
I thought by "all" he meant all churches. My mistake
arsone
Think about how many homeless people you could house and feed with the money used to build this place http://imgur.com/bp95TDr
gigawatts2000
Televangelist Megachurches... usually piss me off, but I don't fully judge until I look beyond the huge walls, there's still a little good.
oldgooey
Didn't churches used to keep their doors unlocked for the homeless to sleep in at night?
Zordicron
Some still do stay unlocked, but, sadly, so many people do not know God's love nowdays, they steal and destroy Church. One bad apple....
mechanimated
Lol not anymore. Many churches lock their doors, and even chase away the homeless that try to sleep on the steps. It varies place to place.
spiritussancto
was also sanctuary and solace for anyone in crisis. doubled as a safe place if you were in danger. i'm not christian but sad it's no longer
shawsheen72
It was a way to welcome people to God.Now that people will do anything to destroy anything, churches were forced to lock them up.
shawsheen72
It's rather sad, because a lot of priest want them unlocked. But books, and chairs get stolen to often.
imgurisfornerds
Yeah, someone said the same things 500 years ago. You know this guy, Luther? Yeah, you know, the founder of protestantism.
Mkminister
And then the money kicked in.
CountSnarkula
Classic hypocrisy, rich man bitching about others not doing enough. How much do rappers donate relative to church groups?
hsalceht
tupac wasnt insanely rich and died pretty young. imagine if bill gates died at 25...philanthropy usually starts at an older age
djneill
Err he was notoriously underpaid by death row records and financially supported his entire extended family, he earned far more when he died
whatshappeninghere
This man did A LOT to make the world a better place, inform yourself before you start bullshitting.
NotARacistWhiteMale
And churches have done a million times more than him...
littleasianninja
Don't agree or disagree with you, but you didn't exactly say what he did, just that he did stuff. Not very helpful or enlightening.
hsalceht
140 characters if ur really curious just google.
Taresz
+ 1. Always upvote common sense.
Frederf
And what, I mean WHAT does God need with a starship?
KingGambitB
Checkmate atheists!
Excalibroforpresident
Although the catholic church has donated a lot, they've hoarded even more. Just go into one of their extravagant cathedrals and see.
nevernonaysayer
He probably be cool with current pope.
colacp
He was still a gangster who bragged about slinging drugs and being violent. No, he and the Pope would not be "cool."
hardytardigrade
"God's everywhere, but I gotta go down there to see him? Really? And He's mad at me down there and I owe ya money? Go fuck yourself"
hardytardigrade
Bill Burr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP0fXKu1hUA
NotARacistWhiteMale
That Catholicism though Christianity they believe you can pray wherever you want
gloridiaz
1. Catholics are Christian. 2. You can pray wherever you want, anyway. Church isn't really about having a place to pray.
Iamyourgrandmother
As a Christian myself, I do find this frustrating especially with all the megachurches. If they would stop competing for congregational (1)
Iamyourgrandmother
(3) it is now.
Iamyourgrandmother
(2) members as a priority and take care of the poor like we were called to do, maybe people would respect Christianity a bit more than
DarmokAndJaIadAtTanagra
as an agnostic person, yes. i, personally, would have a lot more respect and understanding.
darkprojection
too many churches are running like a business. collecting money to do radio broadcasts instead of sticking to the basics, support community
PeterMus
Mega churches serve huge groups- up to 100K people per week. My typical size church is full at about 600 members.
whatshappeninghere
"They got money for wars, but can't feed the poor"
nobaseballcapsofmysize
gotta keep ya head up...
Emale1999
Damn right
otapioka
My church hasn't gone to war like, ever
whatshappeninghere
If your church is the Catholic church, I regret to inform you that it did in fact go to war like a couple of times.
otapioka
My church is not the catholic church. I'm a protestant. I go to a Calvary Chapel. Last time I checked, Calvary Chapel hasn't been to war.
McFarvo
don't let these haters keep you down, hombre <3
otapioka
Thanks homeskillet. It can feel a little lonely as an interwebs Christian sometimes. The encouragement is appreciated. <3
rg001
Why these niggas got gold ceilings, that truly is the question.
LadoTinaj764
Pope Pius XII's Humani Generis. Transcript: 3/?
EveryFlavourBean
Maybe Tupac isn't actually dead. He lives through his words.
colacp
Maybe we were ghost all along.
BeezelPony
Writing (and recorded speech nowadays) is the greatest human invention.
PitbullsPublicist
that's some deep science you dropping there nigga.
dumbsonny
That is the best comment I have read all day. +1
GittOffMee
Tupac was very intelligent. His mother was a Black Panther, so he had the pro-black mentality & he was disrespectful of many women, but 1/2
GittOffMee
2/2 He was intelligent, eloquent, creative, and witty as shown in his lyrics & interviews. The world lost an amazing artist when he died.
hevithan
He's actually hidden in the Vatican library.
thisisfime
Where my blunt?
jackblade
They say you die twice; once when your soul left your body, and the second when someone said your name for the last time. -Banksy
CrocodileTears19
Deep
ninmonkey
He's a hologram.
RobotWearingATopHat
Why call Tupac a hypocrite? Churches should be expected to give back more than a rapper, and churches get their money from the community
MotoMorales
Aaaaaand, let's not forget that rappers have to pay taxes as well
RobotWearingATopHat
So they should give back more, I think he's speaking relative to what some churches claim to do, and say they do, compared to what they
RobotWearingATopHat
Actually do, and Tupac has not claimed to give back more than churches just saying they could help a lot more
RobotWearingATopHat
Which I agree with
AuCreyn
Never thought churches could be called niggas.
DDH420
FUCK YOUR PEW NIGGAAAAA !!!!!!!
GiantButtHead
Someone makes a slightly racist comment and they are upvoted to high heaven. I make a slightly racist comment and I get called a dick.
Reg06
Nigga is a truly wonderful word, and like fuck is much more expressive than we give it credit for
zotten
He was actually referring to the people in the churches like priests and bishops, but yeah, everything can be a nigga, if you believe.
LurkingSinceBeforeMelissaMetACuke
It's the colored ceilings that does it!
TheDominoEffect
I just spat goldfish crackers all over my computer screen.
nopethatspoop
The Internet: where white people can say "nigga" without any repercussions.
Runikal
This is the best thread.
dipmlxlfla
Fuck your couch nigga!
JonnyRaygun
I really wanna say something punny but my white skin won't let me.
Paralellex
If rap has taught me anything, anything can be a nigga.
whydidyoutrustme
Also everything rhymes with nigga.
OverwhelmingNeedForSources
Especially nigga.
MildlyIrateBomber
If I could call a church a nigga, I'd be soooooooo happy....
PorneliusHubertII
Hi craig!!
PANCAKEking
I could show the world, nigga.
eromitlab
Welcome to the First United Church of Monica.
PCard
Nigga please...
FredGonzalez
We all niggas mo' froa! And the sooner you realize it the better for all of us!
bigfloppydonkydong
Monicas
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
You can call anything niggas, McNiggason..
YourGod
Amen.
AdityaNarayan
Now you know.
TheDude89
You're all racist
Pickingnamesishard
My mom takes me to nigga even when i don't want to
ADirtySmellyHippy
I believe he was referring the people inside the churches.
xochiluvr
niggas inside the churches got gold ceilings?
grellspears
Can a black person confirm?
usersub4life
You got the juice now
sloanybalogna
nigga praise
kamosey
I go to nigga every Sunday.
Akenatyl
I'm surprised you don't have more upvotes than this. CMON! DIS COMMENT! DAT USERNAME! DIS NIGGA BE FUNNY
cypher888
*err Sunday
Jasonsson
I beat my whole nigga... in a race...
whydidyoutrustme
The nigga race?
SlothlsMySpiritAnimaI
- OP's mum
CoeusDarksoul
Yeah, so did my ex =\
whydidyoutrustme
Ouch, your nigga sounds like a real fucking nigga. You deserve a better nigga than that.
CoeusDarksoul
Werd nigga.
whydidyoutrustme
I mean I can be your nigga if you're that kind of nigga.
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Sauroctonus
Nononono. That's wrong. It's "I go to that nigga every Nigga".
Jamblesquack
I just went to my nigga this morning.
DittoAidsCircus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kppx4bzfAaE
Dvent
nigga is a noun. anything can be a nigga.
KingBreeze
Nigga = a dude , a guy, a person, a friend
GekkouHayate
Even you could be a nigga
Dvent
I am one.
Unheardprophet
My nigga
Chouilste
4chan 1 word stories made me discover that.
AuCreyn
Ohhh. This is true.
ObiJuancho
So is the word motherfucker
ChuckNorrisAteMySock
Dvorak's "Symphony no. 9 in E minor" is a nigga.
NachoDawg
.... if you are brave enough
IWasNamedAfterKevinCostner
So it's kinda like smurf?
Dvent
nigga you smurfin right.
ThingsWithinThings
After seeing the commercials enough times, I decided to go out and purchase a nigga of my own.
TanstaaflTovarisch
tree is also a noun, can anything be tree?
thebrick87
da
anybodywantapeanut2
I have nipples, Greg, could you milk me?
NoOneEverSuspectsTheCanadian
http://imgur.com/BA4L6Xi
z0de
I am nigga?
odraencoded
I nigga. You nigga. We nigga. They nigga. Niggalogy, the science of the nigga. It's a real word.
ExPixel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIsc8ooXug
Caraggbaj
Can I be a nigga?
Dvent
if you work hard at it lil nigga.
jolie07
If you have to ask... No
JustABubbleHead
Shit, This nigga right
doctorninja
Anything? So even me?
Dvent
yep.
CoachDanCampbell
Marklar?
gloubenterder
Yes, Marklar?
CoachDanCampbell
Marklar. Just wondering.
TheStormThief
Did you Marklar the Marklar, Marklar?
CoachDanCampbell
Marklar! I forgot that Marklar was Marklar since Marklar was Marklar Marklar. (Don't use Marklar for verbs, just nouns)
TheRicM
Except, anything that is not a n**** cannot call anything else a n****
CowOnDrugs
i think i've seen nigga be a verb as well
ayayay
watch out, before I nigga this!
BigTruckRegularPenis
Same goes for "shits." These shits are good. Look at them shits! Look here you little shit. I'ma fuck them shits up!
lightningboltkid1
"My seatbelt was a nigga the other day"
rhysandphal
some churches do this. others are pretty bad about giving back. side note, gotta love the double 2pac tag.
KingGambitB
This is somewhat relevant... (I think) Catholics may be offended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TxjrHPHypA
DoctorSharkface
pac pac
Animoo
Most churches make a big effort to show you the power is in their hands, but all the bible ever tries to say is that it's in your hands
auraza
they came in a 2 pack
BroLove
Two-pac
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AngryZinogre
Or is it 4chains?
Drenathar
The Catholic Church feeds, clothes, and houses more needy people than any other single organization in history. Fyi.
likeabakerikneadthedough
Lol that's complete b.s the Vatican is the wealthiest institution on earth, with huge investments in banks, Beretta (arms manufacturing) etc
BWyse
I just googled 'what denomination gives the most to charity' and the very first result said Muslims... Just fyi
Zeldoon
You have any data to back this up? Or you're just spouting ignorant nonsense?
Cthulhukitten
I just went ahead to see the tags, someone tagged toothpick.
imnotwearingaponcho
There's a cathedral in my town that is remodeled every now and then using money people give them AND also money from the government.Lotsofit
kmikl
Separation of church and state is alive and well, eh? Renos in my area are few and far between, but the churches still do good work.
imnotwearingaponcho
Well this one doesn't do much for the community, they just like to ask for stuff and even the priest has a 2014 car and another one a truck
AttorneyAtLager
US churches, on average, give 0.5% to charity.
KingsAndQueens
Where does the wealth come from? Donations by congregation or another source?
AttorneyAtLager
Pretty much all from donations. Which churches turn around and almost exclusively spend on overhead.
KingsAndQueens
Different from my parent's church in the UK then. They have some collections for church itself but most are or charities
AttorneyAtLager
It's definitely a church-by-church thing. Over half of US churches give nothing to charity. A few give more than 1%. Very few give 80%.
KingsAndQueens
Where does the wealth come from? Donations by congregation or another source?
onemillionzeros
Really? Why don't you go to 100 churches and explain that you are homeless and ask if you could please sleep inside. 0% will say yes.
ImgurMontoya
Hi, my name is onemillionzeros and I like to generalize stuff I don't know about to make myself feel better.
onemillionzeros
Talking from personal experience there jimmy. Cute comment, though.
gloridiaz
The reason for that is vandalism. If you ask to sleep inside, most churches will make an effort to find you a place to sleep, just not there
onemillionzeros
So their stuff and their money is more important than helping lost souls. Got it. Thanks for confirming what I already knew.
gloridiaz
You didn't read what I said at all. They will help you find a place to sleep that is likely more comfortable than sleeping on a pew anyway.
onemillionzeros
You definitely said they don't let people in for fear of having their worldly possessions vandalized. That's the part I responded to.
rhysandphal
i know a church that did that, though. well, they did a soup kitchen and let them stay the night, then had a shelter take them in.
onemillionzeros
In my personal experience, hitching across USA in my 20s, I asked churches for help in a pinch a few times and got turned away with a sneer.
rhysandphal
there's a bit of a difference between homelessness and a cross country hike, but you probably just picked more snooty churches.
onemillionzeros
I was homeless. And I only "picked" the churches that were nearby when I was in trouble. I got plenty of help from regular people though.
Toidiedud
Way more than 0%. Well as long as they arnt jerks, which is a problem with people. Darn jerks.
sinbios
I thought traditionally churches always have had the role of providing food, shelter, and education to the locals.
Ihaveaneightinchdickisthatnormal
My friend's church does all of this stuff that he's saying that churches should.
jaminjimmyjames
For some churches, their sole purpose is making money. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megachurch
jaminjimmyjames
Some for Jesus. Some for Lord Xenu. None of it for the needy.
MrPyschofire
"Education"
Swiggy1957
There are many that DO help their communities. But there are also those that are nothing but gossip mongers in fancy clothes.
IDownVoteSelfies
Many churches actually do that an play an important role on certain places (poor communities and countries). The problem is that many don't.
rhysandphal
but its probably to more distant problems than local things. some just seem to hoard money though, as far as i can tell.
rhysandphal
the extend they do this depends. some do it very well. others, usually the bigger ones, just sort of don't. i'd imagine they still donate
wifeaggro
name one fucking church you've been to where they use half of their space/resources for the homeless.
jaminjimmyjames
For some churches, their sole purpose is making money. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megachurch
likeabakerikneadthedough
Nah, their trad. role is control over people & miseducation to reinforce that. That's why the Vatican is the wealthiest institution on Earth
KingGambitB
some definitely served as a hospice and refuge. some went the vattican way and started pimping their churches into "mega-churches".
kmikl
Evangelicals typically have little to do with following all of Jesus' teachings.
YoungGZ
Make that a triple twopac tag
ninmonkey
ugh, now there's 5 tags
AcadiaEinstein
Fun Fact: The Catholic Church has spent more on charity than any other entity in the history of the planet.
zhuatclfk
If you define "charity" as covering up child sexual abuse, then, yes.
eggmuffin
And they could do much, much more. But gilt and guilt is better than happiness and safety.
AttorneyAtLager
Of course, they count building churches as charity, so that kinda skews things.
fafnir77
Hey! You are supposed to be on the ANTI religion band wagon.
AnonymousexceptNSADEAATFHSAandmycreepyneighbor
Another fun fact: spent more on pedophelia cover ups than any other entity in the history of Christianity. But don't worry; Muslims (1/2).
AnonymousexceptNSADEAATFHSAandmycreepyneighbor
have Catholics beat hands down when it comes to fucking little boys. Iraqis called it man love Thursday with their chai boys.
jawsnnn
Also killed more people than any other charity... so there's that.
xxbill
The US Government gives Catholic Charities USA $2 billion every year from the Faith Based Initiatives Office.
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Moghul
they're making a church in romania right now and the roof is golden. on the OUTSIDE.
AcadiaEinstein
Link!
Moghul
are you convinced yet?
rawerpower
Fun Fact: The Catholic Church has earned more than any other entity in the history of the planet.
Regicide5150
And have enough capital in real estate holdings alone to wipe out the national debt.
eggmuffin
To be fair, giving more than zero isn't hard to do. That's pretty much what they've had to compete with until about century and a half ago.
frozencloud
they're also tied to the largest amount of genocide, so there is that as well. I can't overlook that though. No matter how much charity.
buzzingbee
I'd like to know what percentage of their income they've spent on charity. With source.
lakecityransom
Yes but this is a bit different... its like a humane society being decked in gold and lavishness.
ButtersTheCat
I bet if they were all as pious as the new Pope, they could help even more.
MarkRizznHopkins
Hey Acadia! I know you!
Bolognapogna
Entity, yes. Person, no. Bill Greats, from Michaelsoft did.
AcadiaEinstein
Agreed
superserial
for your health!
Bolognapogna
Take your sister, dumdum, she's a girl!
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colacp
It does, because Tupac is looking at a few churches and suggesting that they are indicative of all churches. Which isn't true.
colacp
His train of logic arrives at the some muslims are terrorist all muslims are terrorist station. Thats not a good train to ride.
lacole725
Just because they donate to charity doesn't mean it is going to helping people.
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colacp
He didn't claim they provide half of the social services in America.
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colacp
Well you should have said I actually have to read the thing instead of reading the title and the meter that said "false." Duh... Good source
AttorneyAtLager
The Catholic Church counts brainwashing children and buying up hospitals so they can gut any services they don't approve of as charity.
thehungryguy
fun fact: they also started the crusades....
AcadiaEinstein
So?
thehungryguy
So? do you even know what happened during the crusades?
AcadiaEinstein
Yes. But I don't judge organizations / countries / cultures by what they did during the middle ages.
thehungryguy
okay, then how about what their bishops do now. Until recently the "bishop of bling" was a perfect example. Not only that but you get 1/2
FroggyFae
Fun Related Fact #2: Pope Francis fired a bishop who was misusing funds, and turned his entire mansion into a soup kitchen for the poor
JonSnowForKing
yes, Pope Francis is the best thing to happen to cathlics ever
keriis88
Fun Fact, you know how many people were killed by the Catholic Church in the name of god? Look up the inquisition and the Crusades.
supremacysun
The Crusades started when the Muslim Turks attacked the Christian Romans, and the Emperor asked the West for help.
keriis88
2/2 Make no mistake religion is a business. They make a lot of money.
AcadiaEinstein
I don't need to look it up. I know. Statute of limitations is up on that shit.
keriis88
Then you know the Vatican still has an active department of Inquisitions named Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office.
AttorneyAtLager
Actually, there is no statute of limitations on murder.
jjb926
1/2 And that the WHO has recognized the Catholic Church as the largest opponent of their anti AIDS programs throughout Africa?
jjb926
2/2 and believes that the Catholic Church may be directly responsible for the deaths of millions due to preventing aid efforts?
AcadiaEinstein
Their stance on birth control is antiquated and unhelpful.
jjb926
That's the tip of the iceberg on the AIDS fight in Africa. Direct spread of misinformation and preventing medicine to enter many areas
jjb926
And you know that the Catholic Church actively condoned the slaughter of non-Catholics during the Rwanda Civil War in 1990?
AcadiaEinstein
Show me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide
jjb926
http://hutuandtutsis.wordpress.com/what-is-the-main-problem-of-our-research/
jjb926
http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=genocide
jjb926
http://modernhistoryproject2012.wordpress.com/history-of-hutu-tutsi-relations/
KakiBlack
Cause they've been there the longest duh
tkochhar
Need source.
Gregah
Do you have anything to back up this with?
AttorneyAtLager
Nebulous sources. It all depends on how you define charity.
AcadiaEinstein
Source in here somewhere.
TheChinamanIsNotTheIssue
Not as a percentage of income/wealth.
videopro10
According to that Forbes article the church spends about 90% of its income on charity. that stacks up pretty well to other organizations
AttorneyAtLager
Depends on what you count as charity.
TheChinamanIsNotTheIssue
http://www.economist.com/node/21560536 less than 5% of *spending* (which is way, way less than income)
videopro10
Why are you not counting schools and healthcare as charity? That money is going somewhere, it's not like the Cardinals are buying ferraris.
NotWayneBrady
Did I read wrong. Didn't the article say that the church uses local/state/federal agencies to pay for schools/hospitals?
TheChinamanIsNotTheIssue
The same reason the article doesn't, if you read it without agenda. Those aren't charitable enterprises.
jjb926
1/2 Related Fun Fact: Vatican City is the third wealthiest country in the world and despite being the smallest country in the world . . .
ZippytheMuppetKiller
Looks like you found the catholics
crazydiamond
source?
LessThanHumbleScott
They are the third MOST LIQUID wealthiest country in the world, their GNI isn't 3rd.
GreatTeacherMichael
Thank you for understanding basic economic terms... :)
LessThanHumbleScott
People keep listing wealth and GDP as the same thing, The Vatican doesn't produce anything so has no GDP.
jjb926
2/2 the Vatican owns the third most land of any single party in the world.
jjb926
http://www.businessinsider.com/worlds-biggest-landowners-2011-3?op=1 Vatican City is only about 177 acres, yet they own 177million acres
dammitiseveryusernametaken
(2) Kinda makes sense for them to own that much, considering that.
dammitiseveryusernametaken
Well every church, catholic hospital, catholic school, catholic university, catholic organization, catholic museum, catholic park, worldwide
MGM93
They may well have done. But they've also got a billion sheep at their disposal to fund it and it's lavish inclinations.
AcadiaEinstein
Here is one diocese. Please point out the lavishness. http://sccatholic.org/stewardship/bishops-stewardship-appeal/disbursements
MGM93
One. 1. Uno. Here's another. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/St_Albertus_Catholic_Church_Detroit_Interior.jpg
azurepenguin
Fun Fact: not percentually :)
Rob661
A lot of people commenting as if the church owns them something, if you don't agree just don't donate to the church.
JonSnowForKing
it's more the hypocrisy that the church goes around preaching love when all the church loves is money
Rob661
They have done bad things but that doesn't negate all the GOOD things they have done. The church is ran by people, people are bastards.
Atocc
How in the earth you know this? Do you have data to back this stupid claim?
Timexican
Fun Fact: If any Christian church is run as the bible suggests it will be a charity itself.
ImaRiskit
That is to make up for the fact that they have murdered more people than any other entity in the history of the planet.
ArcipluvianCosmicGallows
Fun fact: The Catholic Church has spent more money on frivolous shit than any other church in human history.
Crimsonak
Not really very difficult when you're pulling in $170 billion a year from tithes.
Crimsonak
To put that number a little into perspective, it's about what Ukraine has as a GDP for its entire country.
Feenfurn
It would be nice if they could maybe cover the pregnancies of people who don't believe in birth control because they are catholic...
AcadiaEinstein
I actually think society should pay for healthcare for kids from viable pregnancy thru 18th bday, then theyre on their own with a fair start
Feenfurn
I think parents should be responsible for their own children, not society. I shouldn't have to pay for you to have kids.
AcadiaEinstein
You pay one way or another. And I would rather make sure a kid grows up healthy than a sickly half wit. it isnt the kid's fault.
Feenfurn
It's not the kid's fault. But you're just opening it up for everyone to have the mentality that they don't have to take care of their own.
Feenfurn
because everyone else will.
RobErtE87
now say that again but with "percentage of revenue"
AcadiaEinstein
there are a bunch of citations in here somewhere on just that.
Eowyneb
Also has murder more people in the pursuit of briging the word of god then any other group in history.
MadScientistAndrew
If they sold off some of their stuff they could end world hunger, so there's that.
cowboydude6
What? How?
izzmog
No amount of money could end world hunger. You simply can't grow enough food to adequately feed everyone alive. There's just too many of us.
UnderratedComment
Shut your ignorant mouth. The food industry is why there are food shortages. There's plenty of food and the earth is not overpopulated
crazydiamond
Not really. Some countries have large surpluses of food, but the govt regulates the amount of produce at market to keep prices high.
crazydiamond
source?
StarrryNight
The Catholic Church has also tortured, raped, and murdered a fair number of people in their time. Plus countless other nasties in their name
AcadiaEinstein
So has England. And America. And Japan. And Spain. And most other countries. So what do we do?
StarrryNight
I wasn't aware of England, America, Japan and Spain being religions.
AcadiaEinstein
They are institutions. So is the church. They are collections of people with common ideals who either converted or were born into them.
StarrryNight
You choose to be a Catholic. You don't choose to be American, English, Japanese or Spanish. Bit of a distinction there.
boccs
Is that in proportion to its actual earnings though? I mean when you're THE richest religious institution that becomes a big factor.
FlawlessLogic
Even fun facts could use sources.
AcadiaEinstein
Sourced partially from this. http://www.economist.com/node/21560536
FlawlessLogic
"The Economist estimates that 57% of the church's U.S. spending went to Catholic health care networks 1/2
FlawlessLogic
with an additional 28% to colleges, 6% to day-to-day operations at local parishes and dioceses, and 2.7% to national charities.
starkart
Fun Fact: Even fun facts could use sources.
Lemmesmash
+1 name & comment
nickg131
Bill and Melinda Gates, in the last 14 years, have donated $28 BILLION. So...by sheer numbers, the Catholic Church is pathetic compared.
videopro10
Did you read these articles? The Church spends ~30 billion a a YEAR on charity just in the US.
nickg131
My point is the Gates have donated 48% of all money they've ever made. The Church donates less than 6% of its annual spending on itself
nickg131
Doesn't balance out helping hide pedophiles constantly, or the masses slaughtered during the crusades.
AttorneyAtLager
Of the masses killed because of the misinformation they spread about AIDS.
rodgerina
Like "hey, don't go round having random sex with people"? Not the church's fault if people don't listen properly.
nickg131
2. People here claim to be accepting...but fuck you if you say a bad word about religion. I guess stating fact is "Being a dick" here.
nickg131
Don't know why I bother on here. Pointing out atrocities done by the church is "Bashing religion" and the "Don't state facts" crowd hates it
skwerl
Is the church supported by just two people?
AttorneyAtLager
It very much depends on what you consider to be "charity"
captainobvioustits
well, to be fair, they've also been an institution for, like, 1700 years, so there's that
hsalceht
and that point could also be used to say why they have so much money
Imsickofdisshit
It has the largest education system in the world
magneticgumby
And during the majority of that time have been one of the most powerful/wealthiest entities in the world
jaedrik
To be fair, almost 2000*
drlazercatz
More like 1600. Just pointing that out. Trying to mind my own business, though. Howdy to any folks still reading this. Hi!
AcadiaEinstein
Fair point.
KingGambitB
what's that gotta do with how much they spend and what they spend it on? Hypothetically, if they gave $1tril and spent $1bil on the Vatican
KingGambitB
still doesnt excuse the gratuitous expenses IMO.
hannes3120
and their "killcount" over that period is probably higher than that of any other entity that still is active today, too...
dammitiseveryusernametaken
The only way that would be true (if it is) would be if the other civilizations with a higher kill count ended.
Yesnomaybeyes
Don't forget the Muslims. And their invasion on France Prior to the Crusade.
Counterfit
I'm sure there were surpassed in the 20th century
sergeanttbag
Prolly not... lrnhistory
hannes3120
well - the systems who caused this where shut down...
malachitedragon
The crusades were called by the pope, so not all of 'em! (I like the current pope, though. Yes, I'm not capitalizing it, on purpose.)
jjb926
I would not put a bet of one penny on that. All the crusades? The inquisition? Uganda? Their involvement in the holocaust? I could go on.
Counterfit
40m killed by Japan during WW2. Plus a lot more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll
GameOfJabronis
the church was involved in the holocaust? how so?
Lemmesmash
It's also caused A LOT of unncessary suffering. Don't know if that weighs up.
Regicide5150
And destroyed countless other scientific and philosophical writings which were not in line with their world view.
JGY568
Any evidence?
izzmog
It also preserved massive amounts of scientific and philosophical writings that would otherwise have been lost during the Dark Ages.
AttorneyAtLager
The Muslims at the time had a much bigger hand in that than the Catholic Church did.
StarrryNight
Destroyed a fair few of them as well.
Lemmesmash
While suppressing scientific results and other philosophic ideas over centuries and spreading misinformation up until this day.
JGY568
Wow people stoll believe this. How novel
eetsumkaus
well, yes and no. It takes a long time to build up an intellectual framework that encourages challenges to the status quo
Lemmesmash
Isn't challenging the status quo the opposite of religion? http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxnyyyBIm71qet2teo2_500.gif
eetsumkaus
Consider that the Egyptians and Babylonians had no such moral restrictions and still got no farther technologically than, say, the Romans.
Lemmesmash
I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by "moral restrictions", but then again, I should be in bed by now.
izzmog
You got a source on that? For a long time, the church was pretty much the only entity funding science and philosophy.
Lemmesmash
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment And the churche's stance on HIV and condoms has cost millions of lives which is unbearable
Lemmesmash
Indeed, because they had the resources. But people like Galileo, Darwin, Luther were discredited for their discoveries when it didn't 1/?
Lemmesmash
suit them. Especially during the enlightenment, the church was eager to denounce discoveries that challenged its authority. 2/?