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Brett White explains why Marvel movies will always be better than DC movies
May 4, 2014 8:52 AM
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Riceroni
Rocket Raccoon is not just a Raccoon !
EricWilder
I Am Groot!
raccoon117
I own MANY machineguns thank you very much
MakenshiWA
But thats a submachine gun oO
MalaysianFlightPlanner
From what we've seen of his size, that's too big to be a submachine gun. It's an assault rifle of some sort.
Draugo
I like Bob's explanation the best... "I think they just hate money".
MentalBrink
this guy looks like he starred in 'Her'
KirKirLeblanc
I want a Harley Quinn movie. And I want it now.
M0MUS
Until the first time I saw a clip of Guardians I didn't realize how much my life needed a film featuring a raccoon with a machine gun
Supernerdtastic
I can't recommend checking out the Marvel Cosmic stories written by Dan & Andy (2008-2011ish) srsly some great stuff.
devo27
http://imgur.com/AfZrIkG
M0MUS
I remember Rocket Raccoon from the mini-series all the way back in the 80s.
LorriMaidonado0
Well, at least they name-dropped him in Winter Soldier, so there's that.
backtobackpanicattack
Oh Brothers, take a good look at Thor. Look at him. There's a big lump of confusing other-world origin success.
mantha0n3
this is my favourite thing right this minute.
trousercat
But, but...Zena, and Buffy, The Bride, Nikita, Trinity, Sara Connor etc. I'm pretty sure the ladies would be able to handle a WW series.
crimandevil
Part of it is that WB has no idea WTF they're doing with their DC properties.
Supernerdtastic
DING DING DING!!! Disney's smart enough to let Marvel give the fans what they want, WB is ridic afraid to let DC try it.
imadogperson
There's a world of difference between both situations.
ReadTheDamnCommentAndMoveOn
Voiced by Bradley Cooper... On top of an Ent voiced by Vin Diesel.
IAMGROOT
I AM GROOT.
Fiss
Oooga-chucka oooga-oooga-chucka!
Stark23
AHHHHHH HAAAAAA AHHHHHHHHHHH HA AHHHHH
brickyphone
I can't stop this feeeelin
Graylinfaux
DEEP INSSSSSSSSIDE OF ME!
wyldcard
You can get a cream for that.
ThunderfuryBlessedBladeoftheWindseeker
Girl, you just don't realize
brickyphone
What you do to meee
Stark23
When you hold me....
thegr8patsby
IIIIIIII'm.. Hooked on a feeling
azureraptor
I'm glad I didn't have to look for for this, thank you. :}
Firefliesinajar
In reality it's ooga-chacka... I mean, I'm just sayin, but I'm pretty sure...
geckobyink
I'm high on believing
SR20Power
That you're in love with mee!!
geckobyink
Lips as sweet as candy...
SR20Power
It's taste is on my mind..
geckobyink
Girl, you got me thirsty
Housemaster
So CGI animals are more complex to portray than a character deemed to represent an entire gender in the superhero cannon?
Chixiepixie
Yeah, but it's not like Black Widow got her own movie.
Mostweretaken
there was an article on cracked last week about that,saying she doesn't have a mask they couldn't use a stuntwoman for bits to save money.
BurlRavenscroft
In 3 movies I only barely cared about her in Winter Soldier
Supernerdtastic
Same here. Scarlett & Chris have a great onscreen chemistry.
TF2215
She isn't as popular a character as the other Avengers, don't think she really needs her own movie.
sirpipthegreat
or ant man.
tambrico
I think she will eventually.
dkadghqthqiuwq
As someone who doesn't read comic books (apart from the Walking Dead) is Black Widow interesting enough to lead in a movie? Seemed boring in
derphosaurus
Its not needed. In the comics shes an orphan, basically becomes a slow aging spy
dkadghqthqiuwq
the Avengers movie.
IamTheMotherfuckingAvatar
Yeah, she's actually a really cool character, I'm with you though. Her and Hawkeye were kind o drowned out by the others.
theblackcanaryyy
i think the history of black widow and how she came to be is very interesting
dkadghqthqiuwq
Also I'm actually curious.
dkadghqthqiuwq
Assume I'm the average movie goer. Hook me in less than two 140 char comments. Bonus points for one. :)
theblackcanaryyy
a part of the "black widow" soviet spy program they bio/psychotechnology enhanced her to become a femme fatale planting false memories (1)
ardentlyincendiary
An orphaned girl is forced into a life of espionage during the early cold war era, alongside 28 other young girls. However, between (1/2)
bamesjailey
*cough* http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3480822/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_1
Chixiepixie
:D Pleasantly surprised
Supernerdtastic
Dont be, that still qualifies as development hell, meaning not likely to see progress on it any time soon. Hope I'm wrong tho.
Elonth
its about as far along as the wonder woman movie is TBH. not even off the ground.
bamesjailey
Considering that they've said Avengers 2 will focus on Natasha's story more it's likely that there'll be a Black Widow movie to follow it.
imadogperson
As the Hulk movie that came out of the Avengers?
bamesjailey
If you pair it with the focus on Natasha in The Winter Soldier as well. It seems logical that they'd make a Black Widow film.
TheComedienne
I bet it'll go the way of The Devil in the White City with DiCaprio...
Supernerdtastic
till I see more on that page, it's in dev hell, just like a LOT of movies that never actually get made. Often fanwank.
imadogperson
hahahaha Ok, if you count that one DC and Marvel have each like 40 movies coming soon.
MissPhoenix56
David Hayter is directing it?
Deadpo0l
My initial reaction as well. Should be interesting
cloudstrife5671
Well, if anyone has the creds to deal with a movie about an infiltration specialist, it's Solid Snake.
hallowedmeow
Whoooaaaaa, I fucking love David Hayter.
Mitte
they're afraid, new52 is not looking good atm (fck they ruined batwoman and SSquad), and they fear the green lantern movie effect.
imadogperson
New 52 is looking great. Sales are up and that's what they wanted.
Mitte
Take a look at hydrology (batwoman), best thing i've seen. Now take a look at batwoman annual #1, tell me how that is looking great.
imadogperson
Nah, don't care about Batwoman
andrew72287
Kind of hard to judge the whole line by 1 book. Not everything in the New 52 is a home run, but neither is everything over at Marvel Now.
SacreBalls
I think they are 1 good JL film away from success (as long as they cast right)
ghsdkgb
And by "cast" you mean the director, right? Because the actors haven't been the problem.
Supernerdtastic
I mean did you see who's been cast in Supes V Bats? There's something all kinds of wrong with their Lex.
jellymanmycomicguy
There was nothing in Suicide Squad to ruin.
Mitte
They ruined it by ending it. I loved it, plot twists like from M. Night Shyamalan.
maxdecphoenix
why is John Hodgeman tweeting under a pseudonym?
samsonguy920
"A Raccoon with a machine gun on an Ent." Gotta be specific about these things.
minority119
"a racoon with an N7 Valkyrie on an ent" to be more specific http://www.volpinprops.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/DSC_0086.jpg
Charmandler
+1 for particulars
UsChickens
Except they only hold passing resemblance at best.
Arteryn
Eh, to me it looks like the art director just kinda changed a few small details, but kept the entire frame as a whole.
UsChickens
The same could be said of any assault rifle with an underslung launcher or similar large-bore system.
Arteryn
No, with those there is are key differences varying with the frame and design. The Valkyrie has a distinct streamlined tube shape.
Arteryn
As compared to an assault rifle such as an M16A4 with an M203/230 under barrel. They look distinct in form.
fergfunk22
That's not a fucking ent.
althanan
140 character limits are the worst.
IAMGROOT
I. AM. GROOT.
DetectiveSloth
Thought it was just a tree until I read this.
IamTheMotherfuckingAvatar
Ent? I am no Ent. I am Groot.
DorthLous
He would never say that. Well until "I am Groot." That he would say. Always.
IamTheMotherfuckingAvatar
I was quoting Treebeard just. like. if Groot said it.
DorthLous
I... Am... GROOT!
IHaveThePerfectPuzzleForYou
I AM GROOOOT!
UDBV
An Ent voiced by Vin Diesel.
samsonguy920
Just thinking of Vin Diesel doing voice roles....frankly turns me on. Dat voice...
DickbagMcDicksucker
Rocket isn't a raccoon and gets vey upset if you call him one
CyberAkuma
So then how does he know if you are referring to his species or his last name when you call him that?
LoopStricken
But isn't his name Rocket Raccoon?
DickbagMcDicksucker
To fans yes, to other characters, no.
BurlRavenscroft
Alliteration is Stan Lee's golden rule of naming characters. It's probably a case of original 70s vs a modern retake.
NorinRad
Mark my words, we're going to get a Captain Marvel movie before we get a solo Wonderoman flick. And it will be glorious
TF2215
We better get a damn legitimate Silver Surfer movie though....
NorinRad
*Wonder Woman, arrgh!!
MaliciousCuntWithoutAReason
KAZAAM!
homesickalien94
Shame it will be called Shazam instead
imadogperson
Wrong time to repost this since WB just announced the Justice League movie with Wonder Woman.
homesickalien94
I think the point is more still no solo movie. And how far behind Marvel they are
imadogperson
There's no solo Rocket Raccoon movie either.
homesickalien94
True but there is no solo rocket comic line consistently either. Plus his colab film will be out before hers
imadogperson
And?
homesickalien94
thats probably why they posted it... the original is from pre Wonder Woman confirmation its more a case of general random reposting
youreabouttogetlittup
am i the only one here who really wants to see an aquaman movie?
homesickalien94
I think DC want to get more settled first because aquaman is considered such a joke outside of comic fans
youreabouttogetlittup
if they do it right though an aquaman would be amazing
homesickalien94
and they are doing it now!
youreabouttogetlittup
i just saw! the dc animated movies are usually pretty awesome too
homesickalien94
Yeah but I meant live action, the guy who played Kahl Drogo in GoT is portraying him in Batman v Superman
Toggit
HeartlessMirror
Not talking about a humanoid tree? Wow.
nobodyblindedme
TREE!? i am no tree...
HeartlessMirror
I am an ENT!
Tyrannotron
I am Groot!
imadogperson
There have been humanoid trees before. Don't think we had racoons.
Spanked84
DC makes awesome animated movies for their characters. It can't be *that* hard to make a cgi/live action movie for them...
GreenHillFrozone
TMNT. checkmate, bitch
GreenHillFrozone
TMNT. checkmate, bitch
Spanked84
Is TMNT even DC? I don't know what you're trying to say.
Housemaster
I think his point is most TMNT films were spunk... except the first one. That one was rad.
Supernerdtastic
Yeah but they;re not the properties in question here.
Housemaster
Thus me starting "I think his point is..."
MaliciousCuntWithoutAReason
If you get rid of the nostalgia, the first ones were fucking terrible. I rewatched them recently. :( Should have let them stay nostalgia.
kimsehyung
The Catwoman and Elektra movies were so bad, but people blamed it on the female lead instead of on the crappy writing and direction.
imadogperson
Who did?
mechanimated
So stupid. Yeah, which female lead ruined Green Lantern, pray tell? And fucking Batman and Robin, the ancient bane of comic book movies.
TF2215
Not that stupid, Halle Berry and Jennifer Garner were bad in those roles. I don't think either of them could fit the character right.
Kegrun
This movie cant get here soon enough.
IAMGROOT
I AM GROOT.
Shepsus
I'm SOOO looking forward to this movie
rylecx
I'm a big comics fan and this upcoming movie got me addicted to their comics. So worth it
Chernobyx
Also, rocket would probably shoot that tweeter for calling him a raccoon.
Quiche
What movie is this?
thefuckamidoing
Which movie is this?
jarritas
Get out.
My5yearolddaughterhasmorefriendsthanido
He/she has the right answer. You get out.
Thedragonb0rn
Guardians of the galaxy
thefuckamidoing
Thanks!
momiro
Double thanks
OzaiR2k
Raccon With a Machine Gun
thefuckamidoing
I like this tittle better -_-
cookiefennec
i'd watch it
thefuckamidoing
If it's as hardcore as that gif it'd be on my top 10
Squirrellock
Please remind me of the date, for I am to lazy to get off mobile.
RonRonRules
August 1st
SirForeverAloneEsquireLe1stAndOnly
The day before my birthday. Awww yisss an awesome movie before my b-day and birthday sex the next day! Who am I kidding... I'm single :'(
TheDelicateFlower
^this
geauxtigahs
My birthday too!!
SirForeverAloneEsquireLe1stAndOnly
Your birthday is on Aug. 2nd too? In that case, do you want to go watch Guardians of the Galaxy and maybe have some b-day sexy time with me?
Stripeyhat
Someone please explain to me what is "confusing" about Wonder Woman.
dumbsonny
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130308003319/glee/images/9/95/This-is-gonna-be-good.gif
ThePatchyBeard
She doesn't wear a mask so they would have to pay the lead more to do the action scenes. She doesn't have the same clout as Superman.
TheGillMachine
Daughter of Zeus, Queen of the Amazons? Oh, nothing. I'm sure all the kids will understand the references.
beezelbubbles
But kids are totes up on the nuances of Norse mythology that go along with Thor.
stutteringbob
How much I want her to pick me up in her arms and make me feel safe? I dunno. Maybe as uncomfortable as how much I want Snu-Snu from her.
Jalrim
Because shes a woman
ianorsomething
Woman? Who does things we usually see men do? PREPOSTEROUS
TheMagicalHindu
Her origin story isn't really clear... the people who are posting about it being because she's female are misinformed or haters.
grackle
Well, she's a woman... who does stuff... that doesn't involve supporting a male lead. Sounds risky, let's make another Rocky.
BriBriTheShyGuy
I have a feeling its about her outfits
AngelRick
There are way too many expectations with a WW movie. It would be overanalyzed and criticized to death.
BrianBoitano
She is a woman
TudorOne
shes a strong female protagonist
lxlulz
Obviously her costume because they've done never done a live action WW with a truly awesome costume. Even though there's tons of fan art.
imadogperson
Follow the Xena or Spartacus example. Done.
lxlulz
And yet they haven't done it. Sad times I know.
thornus67
Lynda Carter's costume was awesome.
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Upvoter2000x
downvotes for truth. as usual
kbright
Maybe it has something to do with her weakness. http://www.cracked.com/article_19434_the-6-most-ridiculous-superhero-weaknesses.html
ThisIsThePlaceWhereIBelong
She is not a racoon with a machine gun, clearly.
Frosty939
a Wonder Woman movie sound boring as fuuuck. But so did Thor until i actually saw it, so who knows
NanoSwarmer
Comic book nerds still can't figure women out... LOL
copingcabana
WB, who owns DC, can't figure out how to make a WW movie that disenfranchises true fans, emotionally scar children, and still lose money.
cheesemaccer
If she poops in her invisible jet, would you be able to see the poop? DC has never answered this question.
Yepitsausername
You made me blow air out of my nose with vigor. Well done.
EnormousManlyThings
What have you done....
Stripeyhat
Man, tell me about it. I feel like I should have made it clear I was being rhetorical.
dropeleven
i mean...what's she doing out of the kitchen?
Faolon
She doesn't spend her time acting like a helpless retard so the average woman can relate to her.
kamenhokage
Wonder Woman is an Icon, her stories/background is all over the place, and they refuse to pick one. Or WB thinks women won't draw audiences.
LearningOnImgur
Because no one will bitch and get offended about a Raccoon. There's basically no way NOT to "offend" someone with a Wonder Woman movie.
BatmansFirstEnemyWasCalledManBat
I'm thinking this, the world is too concerned with offending people that is effectively limiting what we can make in terms of media.
opad
I don't get it. Have a kick ass wonder woman. Maybe don't dress her like a prostitute. Who would that offend?
AnaximanderBolton
Fanboys/People obsessed with canon.
Pepinlo
"Oh my GAWD you cis scum homophobe bigot dick, you got a WOMAN HIT ON YOUR MOVIE, SHE WAS STRUCK BY SOMEONE!" Yeah, WB is not going there.
Tyrannotron
I am pretty sure we will Gamora get hit plenty. Though, it might be different because she us green.
janeshep
What's the problem if she both receive and gives punches? She wouldn't be passive at all of course, she's an effing superheroine...
Pepinlo
I was that movie to happen, why? Because Amazons kick ass. The thing is a movie company won't risk the heat they could get from idiots.
CarryOnmyWaywardGeneticalHeritage
But the thing is, the same people who say that, actually want a WW movie, because it's a movie about a woman kicking ass.
Flucksy
Or some sexist asshole.
Pepinlo
Thing is there have been virtual riots before when women get hurt in media, it's bad PR for WB and extremists can do a lot of damage.
Wherewasthelastplaceyousawit
Solution: Delete Lasso, make her a hulk-type badass, have her straight up destroy people. Michael Bay directs, just to further ruin DC.
cultus
lack of tits on lead actress
ImmaStealYoReactionPics
My belief is that no male screenwriter can come up with a good WW script. She doesn't really have iconic storylines like Batman or Supeman.
InHonorofUgly
nobody wants to see wonder woman in a movie, but we have to pretend women are such believable heroes that beat up men.
Hassanian
Sassy armed space animal is an easy side character. Hero from a contemporary girls-only kingdom, with a pantheon to compete with asgard,(1)
Hassanian
(2) who carries a "truth-lasso", has no secret identity, and again is princess of misandria, as the protagonist, is a harder sell.
IMadeAnAccountJustToWriteThis
Real answer: Maybe she's a god, or maybe she was made by the gods. Maybe she's a golem, or maybe that's a metaphor. Maybe she comes from
MilkxandxHoneys
The real answer is that she's a woman in a position of power. Execs think that's too much for audiences still.
kimsehyung
But sure... Let Thor have a movie.
njsamora
Clearly horse mythology>greek and it has nothing to do with the heroes themselves /s
backtobackpanicattack
As if 95% of comic characters don't suffer the same dilemma. Maybe they can just make three different Wonder Woman films, like the Hulk :/
StillGrowingBoobs
Maybe she's born with it...maybe it's maybelline
thecomicfiend
Thank you for saying this
Theero
the land down under
IMadeAnAccountJustToWriteThis
A perfect society, or maybe she comes from a warlike, tho well intentioned society. Maybe she's a diplomat for Themyscira, or maybe she just
IMadeAnAccountJustToWriteThis
works as a hero. Maybe she's all about women's lib, or maybe she's all about peace on earth. Maybe she thinks women are better or maybe she
IMadeAnAccountJustToWriteThis
just thinks her women-run society is better. Finally, maybe she deals with greek mythology stuff or maybe she just punches crooks/aliens.
mechanimated
And in the end, none of that stuff is half as confusing as the backstories to 95% of mainstream heroes. Every comic book hero goes (1)
mechanimated
through 50000 retcons and story changes over the years. Look at fuckin, even white-bread heroes like Superman. (2)
cannedbat
MAYBE IT'S MAYBELLINE
Malikhi
THANK YOU!!! I got so tired of hearing people complain about this. Never had the patience to write it out, so thank you so much.
BurlRavenscroft
Maybe she can fly, maybe she has a jet. Maybe she has powers, or maybe just knows kung-fu. Maybe she's invincible, maybe she's not. COMICS!
McDouggal
Her outfit is "Too revealing" for modern feminists, and if they change it, comic book aficionados will lobby the internet for a boycott.
twurkle
not to be "that person" but ... she has a vagina. and she's strong and fights. "DOES NOT COMPUTE" apparently.
Radey
The nail, you've hit it on the head.
teh0khardic
I was going to say the same thing but you worded it better than I could
aguyuno
Well, I mean, her past when she was still being written by the bondage therapist got a bit confusing at times.
vindik8or
It's confusing for studio execs because it seems like everyone is asking for a Wonder Woman movie, but no one would go and see it.
severice
Whenever i see her i get confused in my pants.
Vahlek
Probably cause she's a woman. I remember people getting pissy about Brave cause the main chars are women/girls.
SpicedNipples
Sexism from WB
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Reg06
That's not it, at all. The vast majority of fans don't care about the shitty bdsm origins.
sarcasmismyjam
That hasn't stopped them from fucking up other franchises ...
HoneyandFire
Giant burly beautiful greek amazon. "Okay, cast Gal Gadot."
PitbullsPublicist
woman can't be superheroes in a patriarchal society. feminist consider it sexism. or its just shit like the cancelled tv show. a year ago.
xellbe
The studio just doesn't know how to market properly. Remember, they cancelled Young Justice because the demographic ended up being 60% girls
Toasterpops
I'm just concerned that it'll be another great, interesting female character that gets horrible writers and turns into proof that no one
Toasterpops
wants to see female leads in actions roles. Buffy and Korra say Hi.
BrendanJohn
"Woman" nuff said
hobbityj
Women are confusing. Period. I am so sorry.
Theertzuinianer
Bewbs...
stardy
she makes me wonder too much and i get confused
Sturmgeschutz
Paying someone to be on screen the entire movie as the main character is pricy.
LeorKing
It's a woman...she's not in a kitchen... Need I say more?
thatscumbag
Vaginas from what I'm told. I wanna' see her kick some major ass. Maybe she can kick the asses of DC/WB executives? Just a thought.
stallion
To be fair Wonder Woman's backstory is not as well known as other big names like Batman, and also historically female super hero films flop.
beezelbubbles
Characters whose movies flop totally shouldn't get another one. That's why there was only that one Hulk movie. Got it.
stallion
All I'm saying is that the film industry goes with what it knowns. It isn't a visceral issue for them, only monetary, (1/2)
stallion
and in the past female superhero movies haven't made them money.
bawnni
That's not fair at all actually...
stallion
I am just playing devils advocate. Why is that not fair (I actually want to know your thinking behind that comment)?
bawnni
2/3 what unfair means? Like others have said, it's a cycle of fem super hero films flopping > lower budget and fucks given for future >
bawnni
3/3 films > future films flopping.
stallion
Firstly, Wonder Woman is well known as a character, but her actual abilities and origins are not known by mainstream America. 1/2
bawnni
Well because female superheroes not being as well known and their films flopping is indication of some sort of discrepancy, isn't that 1/2
opad
How is that not an awesome opportunity? MORE then the other superheros? They aren't locked in to anything. Creative directors would love it
stallion
The film industry is going with tried and true these days (sequels, revamps). Starting with an unclear character is unsettling.
2four2
Could be the fact she was born from fucking clay.
beezelbubbles
Why is that a problem?
KimJongUgly
Dc is confused by women, even though they have cat woman but i digress.
Affray
Honesty. They don't like the trap that is her lasso. We thrive on lies.
barbwirelove
the BDSM thing
LusciousLester
Hmmm I... WONDER... why.
justmagicalgirlthings
Boobs.
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sinisterthings
You're bad at writing sentences.
baronridiculous
"feminists and all them people"
imadogperson
Hoping I can give you an honest answer without getting downvoted for saying more than "WB hates women": WW doesn't have a great version 1/?
SingleNiceFedoraWearingClassyGuycautiondonotfriendzone
lol no is patriarchy
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SingleNiceFedoraWearingClassyGuycautiondonotfriendzone
no i agre with u. netime a woman is not select, is patraichy! going to smosh the patriachy by circlejerk w/ ppl who agre on tumblr 100% done
LovableMisanthrope
I don't get it. My 5yo has an origin story book of WW. I think if 5yos can get it, most anyone can.
imadogperson
characters. With WW the same doesn't happen. The thing is a lot of people argue the current version (from 2011 to now) is the best. 3/4
imadogperson
on comics. When you see Superman or Batman you have so many awesome stories and everyone has a clear view of what they like of the 2/4
linkskywalker14
As a years long Wonder Woman reader, this is nonsense. She's got loads of good stories.
imadogperson
Yes, I know WW comic fans.
Flucksy
I don't know a single one, so it may have something to do with that.
Cassiraa
But that's an opportunity to define the character and make it interesting and a strong female lead. It's an iconic character without 1/2
IMadeAnAccountJustToWriteThis
People who fund summer blockbuster movies aren't interested in taking bold risks.
HueJanus
The problem lies in that without a lot of independent stories, you lock a fan base. She's not a huge hitter popularity wise.
Cassiraa
a lot of stories, I'd think as a writer this would let you develop her how you want to, that's even better than being locked into a superman
nzey
Come on now, writers don't want to have to make up stories. They just want to recycle them.
imadogperson
So maybe that'll change. 4/4
IamTheMotherfuckingAvatar
I'm with this guy i don't it's confusing it's about upsetting the fanboys with which version they do. Basically no matter what they do 1/2
IamTheMotherfuckingAvatar
someone's gonna be butthurt.
batterthepine
+1 for your insight
koboldesq
-1 to him for not nesting his replies.
imadogperson
I'm just glad someone heard me instead of just shouting at me for trying to present a different POV ))
Wombatish
She has an extremely clear and defined origin story. Batman got movies without being Frank Miller's Batman. It's just B.S.
Flucksy
She's not really that popular though. Sure, she had fans, but nowhere near that of anything popular right now.
heinleinfan
Because Guardians of the Galaxy has such a huge following, right? I mean, EVERYONE knew who they were before the movie!
UpvotesForCalicos
Yes, thank you, somebody explain please!!
TalosValcoran
I think WB is still under the impression that people don't want to see a female-led solo superhero film, for whatever reason.
jalenp69
I don't care about a female led solo superhero film, but I have literally no interest in a Wonder Woman film.
accountabyss
Catwoman, Electra, Aeon Flux, Domino, Tomb Raider, GI Jane... no, yeah, for whatever reason. I agree. Epic films, these.
ifmusicbethefoodofloveplayon
What about "Salt?" Not s superhero film but I thought that was a good one for a female lead.
Sowaka
Have there been any successful ones to date? And how complex do people expect this raccoon to be? I can't see a WW movie doing well.
thisischarchar
I think they realize it won't make them much money, which is probably true.
Thrackrum
female-led solo superhero film that has a strong female lead that isn't supposed to be constantly hypersexualized.
WallCrawlerArt
Yeah, no black presidents either!!!
Toasterpops
Funny since Buffy made them millions.
acme64
whedon made them millions
DianNaoChong
They are really hard to sell.
imadogperson
How many has Marvel made?
aselfdefeatingattitude
I'll have you know EVERY Marvel lead is half-woman on their mother's side.
agentkilroy
You could make a case for the first Thor splitting main character duties between Thor and Jane fairly evenly.
TalosValcoran
They confirmed a Ms. Marvel movie, I know that.
imadogperson
No, nothing confirmed yet, just rumors.
TalosValcoran
Really? I thought I heard somewhere they were officially looking for someone to cast in her own movie.
JimWest
Yeah! Give me my damn Black Widow movie, already!
shaftinferno
One so far. Electra. And it was terrible.
janeshep
Yeah but it was terrible because script and story were terrible, not because of the female lead.
DorcasAurelia
Part of the film and comic industries' problem is that they don't make that connection.
jrbickers
can we count scarlet johansens boobs in that movie called Scarlet's boobs assemble. I think they had a few other actors. but boobs.
SpicedNipples
Yhat wasn't made by marvel.
AintNothinButAPoopbutt
Uh, I want to say that was produced by another studio with Marvel rights.
shaftinferno
It was co-produced between Marvel, 20th Century, and Regency.
imadogperson
Not the Marvel I was talking about, but ok.
shaftinferno
You probably meant the MCU where Marvel has led the production? In which case none yet, but they have a Black Widow movie in the works.
SparklingCockWaffle
Probably because the way it was portrayed and the casting was terrible
Felman
And there's one from DC as well, Catwoman. Which is worse? The crack team we gave the assignment to killing themselves. We'll never know now
shaftinferno
My favorite is that DC has vehemently denied Catwoman as being any way associated with Batman's Catwoman.
usai
I could almost read that sentence.
EnemyViolent
Catwoman. Catwoman is worse. You're welcome.
UpvotesForCalicos
Oh yeah. That was bad. But if Resident Evil & the like are popular (disregard genre) why wouldn't WW do ok?
flassk
have to find competent writers who know the character instead of just hollyderping it
CaptainBucket
Hopefully we should get Ms Marvel in Phase 3. None of this Iron Man 4 rubbish. YOU HEAR ME KEVIN?
beezelbubbles
Captain Marvel, not Ms.
CaptainBucket
I was going to put that, but more people know her from that name.Also been more than one.
Cyanide555
Captain Marvel is DC and is male. Ms Marvel is indeed a marvel super hero.
greymouser7
LE$$
JustDontCare
Sucks cause Wonder woman is one of my favourite heroes via her portrayal in the animated series/movies.
NSFWTagger
In defense of WB/DC Catwoman was complete shit.
brindolyn
Yeah, but I don't think because they made a crappy movie that happened to have a female lead that they shouldn't try again.
janeshep
The problem is that they think it'll bomb, so they put the least they can for the script, then it bombs and they blame the female lead.
doublekross
So was Green Lantern, but no one's saying "don't ever make another male-led superhero movie".
danzafan37
Yeah, but one out of 25 is not a trend. There is risk in going out on a limb and asshats let risk define their decisions instead of reward
doublekross
One out of one is not a trend either, but I understand what you're saying.
jmarkson
Word.
Unable
Pretty sure they are saying don't let Ryan Reynolds be a super hero any more. That movie was like "Green lantern: The Van Wilder years"
KorruptJustice
In his defense, he was fine as Deadpool. It was the script that fucked that up. But yeah, agree he was horrible as Hal Jordan.
TF2215
Because it won't get the same results
Buezee
Its weird cause back in the day WB had Buffy and Charmed on it.
MaliciousCuntWithoutAReason
Charmed was terrible, but Buffy was cool.
FlippantFish
That's why they won't give Black Widow her own film, either.
fundipsundrip
i read somewhere that she's supposed to be getting her own movie. i guess it's just all rumors at the moment though.
unijaw
Does anyone actually like black widow tho?
warick
I liked her in Avengers, but I doubt she'd be able to carry a movie on her own that fits well in the universe.
FlippantFish
I do, absolutely. And I'm not just saying that because it's Scarlett Johansson in skintight clothes.
theysaidtherewouldbecats
I like her in the comics, a lot more head strong that Scajo makes her out to be
MaliciousCuntWithoutAReason
She doesn't even have a good comic series. She's great as a background character, but there hasn't been a good story for her.
FlippantFish
I'll take your word for it (I haven't read many comic books); but I have reasonable faith they could come up with something good.
MaliciousCuntWithoutAReason
1/- Opening scene: There's a war breaking out in the Ukraine. Camera Angle from behind her boots, her yelling, jumping and killing soldiers
MaliciousCuntWithoutAReason
6/- from Themescria where her mother and all the amazons are watching through magic means and holding spears.
MaliciousCuntWithoutAReason
4/- The story could be her trying to stop wholesale slaughter to destroy the plots of Aries. She ends the movie addressing the nation
MaliciousCuntWithoutAReason
3/- jumps and stops the bullets with her bracers. You still can't see who it is. CUT TO: New York City, police are jumping in to attack
MaliciousCuntWithoutAReason
2/- to save some young children and their parents. CUT TO: Greece, riots are breaking out in Athens, soldiers are preparing to fire, she
MaliciousCuntWithoutAReason
5/- and the world in a televised conference from where Forrest Gump gave his Vietnam speech, and it's seen all over the world, including
MaliciousCuntWithoutAReason
4/- Occupy protesters. She is about to jump in when superman flies in and the police back off. He turns and says "Hello Diana".
lovelacedoesit
That "reason" is sexism. Sometimes it's latent. Other times, it's pretty fucking obvious. And sometimes it's a cycle. 1/2
TF2215
Movie companies shouldn't be forced to make movies that won't do as well though. A WW movie most likely won't have the same sales.
nukm4
Wonder Woman movie, it means they don't think as many people will go see it.
DianNaoChong
Or just money. they are a harder sell on the market they want. which does include sexist people.
nukm4
It's sexism, but on the part of the consumer, not WB or DC; they won't make a movie that won't make money. If they're not making a 1/2
albatross17
do you have any evidence to back that claim, or is it just an assumption? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, just curious.
albatross17
I mean, the president of DC is a woman.. But her problems with the latest WW project are prob. just internalized misogyny right?
lovelacedoesit
2/2 If there aren't any superhero movies about women, girls won't grow up thinking they can be a superhero. if girls don't want to be... 3/2
lovelacedoesit
3/2 (I lied) then they won't want to see movies with female superheroes. Any women's studies ppl? This would be an excellent undergrad ppr.
Unable
I love your resolve, really I do. But for once it's not about the white men keeping everyone down, its about money. Pure and simple.
Zuke88
the reason is, they're not confident it would turn a profit, they don't really give a f**k bout what girls and women might feel
Pepinlo
I think WB knows getting a female lead receive a punch on screen will get them lots of heat from many retards around the globe.
Unable
Ah that brings up another valid point, finding a female lead that is believable that means looking the part acting the part and taking a hit
trousercat
srsly? have you seen Zena or Buffy?
Pepinlo
I fucking love Xena! But have you seen the reaction most GoT episodes get? People went batshit insane about Bes or whatever was her name.
Unable
Seriously Lucy Lawless would have been fucking amazing for WW.