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Rc58
Preeeettty sure the media isn't portraying every Christian as a terrorist.
awkwardmomentsdefinemylife
I'm a muslim so don't even get me started ;)
bamstroker
Doing my best to keep the sensible neg-repped comments afloat, but there's just too many people succumbing to nice feel-goods. :\
WhoCaresAboutThePoints
The keyword there is "some".
ThefluteCaptainPicardplayedfirstinhisimaginationtheninreallife
"help help, I'm being oppressed!"
jiankui
Christians like being oppressed. It makes them feel martyred.
fajitathegreat
Nah, man. We're humans just like you.
slimmm
Oh gee Christians have it so hard
LORDCTHULHU3
Hey man theres been a war on Christmas going on, Christians are having to share share december with everyone else now. its noooooot faaaair.
captainofthessdouchecanoe
Thank you for making Jesus brown.
airshot
belief don't make people, behaviour does
screenshotimages
Belief doesn't make it true.
Zerubbabel
James 2:14-26
metalvinny
Religion would be harmless and a personal choice if it weren't for all of the elected officials using it to create public policies!
colacp
Like Stalin and Chairman Mao... oh, wait.
Trollhydra
Don't forget hitler, oh wait I mean uh hitler was atheist duh.
bobthewhaler
o jesus, this old chestnut. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_of_Hitler
colacp
Nah, he was way into Norse paganism. Definitely religiously motivated though.
bobthewhaler
anti-christian is not the same as "atheist". and certainly has nothing to do with modern humanism. more to do with controlling the (1)
bobthewhaler
influence of the church on the german populace... which he wanted to control himself. (2)
TheOneWhoWasLeft
Stalin thought he was a deity himself. Mao was celebrated as the Son of Heaven. Both were deeply enmeshed in religious conceptions.
fivefrozenfishfingers
Try being a non believer in the bible belt. Advertising it would probably get you assaulted.
ReYo
I'm a non-theist, and I'd hug ya. Peace, bud. :-)
emmygray
Yes and yes.
initialdave
Your "how I see myself" one is a very unhealthy outlook, and shows one of the major problems athiests tend to have with religions.
wolfoftheshire
For me, it was the reason I rejected the idea of any religion in the first place. Thankfully my parents didn't teach me this bs, but as soon
wolfoftheshire
I started interacting with religious leaders and groups, I became quite cross when they would tell me that I was essentially worthless.
MrBeemo
That's odd. I was always taught I was worth God sending his one son to die a brutal death for me.
Vosian
Humility is not an "unhealthy outlook"- never mind studies showing the religious are psychologically happier.
IntrepidOtter
Seeing yourself as tainted for wanting to do/experience things that are perfectly normal and natural is unhealthy though (i.e. sex)
Vosian
Except that's not what that means. We recognize we all do bad things, like lie and cheat. Would you prefer we be holier than thou?
IntrepidOtter
I would prefer you not try to cram religious "laws" down our throats, you don't need to be religious to be a moral, good person.
Vosian
I'm sorry- but you were the one calling his religious beliefs unhealthy. I merely explained it. So who's forcing morals down throats, here?
DysgraphicProgrammer
All the atheists I know are capable of differentiating between normal christians and nuts. If you don't like how people see your (1/?)
DysgraphicProgrammer
religion as a aggregate, your beef is with the nuts.
aselfdefeatingattitude
I have no problem with Christians I just wish they didn't pretend they're so persecuted in the US. It's kind of ridiculous.
bostontrad
+ a million
dinobot
I'm not saying the oppression is major, but it is real. I get insulted online basically every time I profess faith in any way.
aselfdefeatingattitude
To be fair, online atheists are dicks too. And don't get me started on Dick Dorkins.
Trollhydra
I will never understand when someone says "I go online..." Congratulations, you're just like everyone else online.
rumblegum
I will say, it often feels that way because of the media/internet, but then I go outside and I'm like, "Oh, hey, normal people."
aselfdefeatingattitude
Yeah it's not all Christians just like it's not all religious people, but the ones that do are crazy deluded.
rumblegum
Heard that.
jenniesthename
well compared to other countries its to as bad for us but its still hard for christians
simhuman
73% of Americans identify as Christian. Source: http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise/
aselfdefeatingattitude
How?
HydrochloricKitten
Most problems seem ridiculous until you understand them from the inside. Welcome tot he human race.
mynameisbarryallenandiamthefastestmanalive
It is overblown. That being said, technically it doesn't take a group of people ganging up, to feel persecuted. It only takes one.
IntrepidOtter
This. So much this. Christians are the majority in the US and acting like you are being "persecuted" is just hilarious. Try being an atheist
NobodyHasToReadThisCrap
Jon Stewart: "Yes, the long war on Christianity. I pray that one day we may live in an America where Christians can worship freely! 1/3
NobodyHasToReadThisCrap
In broad daylight! Openly wearing the symbols of their religion... perhaps around their necks? And maybe -- dare I dream it? -- 2/3
NobodyHasToReadThisCrap
maybe one day there can be an openly Christian President. Or, perhaps, 43 of them. Consecutively.” 3/3
Trollhydra
shush you let them chase their ambulances
NomDePlumage
Many of those "X-tian" presidents did bad things. So maybe not everyone who claims to be a X-tian is, and they make it harder for real ones.
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
What about being able to wear the Buddhist Swastika symbol?
NomDePlumage
Christianity isn't as big a majority in the US as it seems, tho. Not all people who call themselves Christians are.
aselfdefeatingattitude
http://www.gallup.com/poll/159548/identify-christian.aspx I'd say 77% is a pretty solid majority.
NomDePlumage
Again, not all people who call themselves Christians are.
aselfdefeatingattitude
No True Scotsman?
NomDePlumage
Point acknowledged. But Christianity is a belief system like any other. If you hold beliefs contrary to that system you're not a Christian.
SaintMaceToTheFace
People call this a fallacy but it is the truth. I know many "Catholics"Who only identified because their parents were. Don't even go to mass
baronridiculous
Yeah, the day you don't have to go to church to get elected president I'll start thinking of Christians as a group that might be oppressed.
Imgurprettymuchsucks
But Obama doesn't go to Church...
baronridiculous
Sure he does.
Imgurprettymuchsucks
He's gone to Church like 20 times since being elected.
baronridiculous
So he goes to church, then.
AxelYamanaka
Now, I don't recall there being any rule about that, or is this just one of those cases where since all (or most) have done it, it must be
AxelYamanaka
a rule.
icommentonthings
There has never been an atheist president. The candidate will alienate religious voters and will lose. It's fucking sad. Not a rule but yeah
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
I heard the founding fathers were Atheist.
Klingon00
Depends upon your definition. I believe there have been a few who were at least agnostic if not publicly.
AsleepByDay
Funny and related http://xkcd.com/1122/
figsbar
I believe there was a poll a while back and the vast majority of americans wouldn't consider voting for someone who doesn't go to church
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
I don't mind what religion they are. If they're a good person that can help the nation, I'll vote for them.
AxelYamanaka
how far back? Because that would explain many things.
aselfdefeatingattitude
It showed they would elect a Muslim president before an Atheist. Considering how much the right hates Muslims, that's saying something.
colacp
I wish atheist would stop being so demanding when they only make up 2% of the population. Its very SJW.
Trollhydra
What are atheists demanding that makes you so angry?
wardsandcourierplz
the teaching of evolution in public schools, no doubt
Trollhydra
I'm expecting "no more prayerin schools" myself, aka shit taken out of context
aselfdefeatingattitude
I'm actually agree with you on some dickhead atheist stuff that comes along.
colacp
I'm against oppression. I think gays should be able to marry, and high school football teams should be able to pray.
foxearredasshole
School football teams shouldn't pray b/c not everyone is christian and shouldn't be forced to pray as part of team activities.
aselfdefeatingattitude
I'm fine with them praying, but not having a prayer circle in the locker room or prayers over the loud speakers. Keep it to themselves.
colacp
Why? It doesn't bother me when Muslims pray. I don't believe what they believe. Their prayer mean nothing to me. Why are atheist threatened?
SexyClaptrap
unfortunately there are these types of christians out there ruining it for the good ones.
NomDePlumage
Unless they're not really Christians at all. Unless maybe they just think they are.
dsurik
How god sees me: "When did I make this little shit?"
papasmurf1118
As long as you don't cause any negative consequences for anyone as a result of your beliefs then there's no problem
textilelover
As my Wiccans friends say "And it harm none, do as you will." Seem to sum it up quite nicely.
Newsdee
It's less a problem of religion than a few righteous conservatives trying to force others to behave in a certain way.
colacp
As opposed to a few righteous liberals trying to force others to behave a certain way? No big sodas in New York. (1/2)
colacp
(2/2) Forcing your beliefs on others is practiced by liberals and conservatives. No one has a monopoly on that.
Newsdee
I forgot conservatives was tied to right wing in the US. I meant people who won't budge of their righteous way of thinking, so liberals too.
gummisnoppiz
I suspect this is closer to how you see them.
linkskywalker14
This.
Trollhydra
When did christians start acting like they were some rare prejudiced breed? They are the majority in the US.
Junktrunkjunkie
The OP didn't really imply that Christians were rare or even say he was from the US. Prejudice is everywhere and it effects everyone.
BeardKhan
Shhh dont ruin the circlejerk
IndyRevolution
You don't go on Imgur/Reddit unless you're prepared for some shameless circlejerking.
nickg131
Yeah...especially the "Social Progressive" one. Ya know, because historically, religion DID hold back mankind for no reason. Like..400 years
lucus
That's a massive myth. Are you aware of the scholastic movement at all?
Randomcomma
It's not quite that black and white. I mean, at least here in Finland it was religion that motivated everyone to learn how to read/write.
muchafoo
Ya depicting the social progressives and atheists as ignorant dumbasses while christians are so damn innocent. Very "Christian" of OP.
fartharder
OP is very sus
IndyRevolution
What do you mean? Of course Christians are opressed! That's why every single President (aside from JFK, a Catholic) has been Christian!
DVSBSTrD
But how do YOU see everyone else?
colacp
As a Christian, I see everyone as I see myself. A broken sinner.
IthoughwhatIddowasIdpretendIwasoneofthosedeafmutes
Broken??? Fuck you Colacp I'm awesome. Go ahead and comb your beard nigga I don't wanna hear that shit. You like being broken have fun.
wolfoftheshire
I honestly feel bad for you and any child you have. To see yourself and others with so little worth.
SaintMaceToTheFace
We see ourselves as imperfect creatures in need of a Savior.
colacp
Gosh, it must be so terrible to be me. What with all that humility and stuff. WHOA IS ME. Oh, but Christians have a lower suicide rate...
wolfoftheshire
Cite sources please?
colacp
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=177228
wolfoftheshire
And so the "loving" christian speaks. And let me guess, I'll burn in hell as well? And I call bullshit; cite your source or shut up.
colacp
Already did. Its not my fault that you can't see past your own nose. Religious people are statistically happier than atheist. That's a fact.
colacp
Already did. Its not my fault that you can't see past your own nose. Religious people are statistically happier than atheist. That's a fact.
jimmythejedi
I'm an atheist and I see you as a human being.
rhm2084
aaeen
Nice. No need to argue faith. It is yours and yours alone.
YamatoIouko
You. I like you.
BANANAFLAKE
Well said sir, +1.
IndigoWendigo
But may your God help you if you try to shove it in my face.
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
He can be your god, too, if you want. Everyone deserves to be saved.
IndigoWendigo
But I don't want, thank you.
IndigoWendigo
Saved from what?
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
From sin.
PirateFroglet
Religion is like a penis, you can be proud of it, but keep it off my kid? Or me.
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
So atheists are females?
jordyjordy
Multiple LOLs. +1
angryhedgehog
+1 for the question mark. Keep it off my kid? Please? C'mon, man, I don't want to yell.
Dusseldwarf
"It's okay to have one; it's okay to be proud of it, but don't take it out and wave it around in public or force it down my child's throat."
PirateFroglet
Thats the quote I was thinking of!
YamatoIouko
...but what if your child is in his late 20s and is REALLY into that? >.>
TravDrinksBeer
You still need permission.
YamatoIouko
*nods in concession* Fair enough, fair enough.
SentientFlapjack
Like who does that? Seriously WHO? Are people in america or europe reallly like that? I live in South Africa and has never happened.
flight815down
My church preaches mission but their point is always that your life should show God and not your words when you scream on street corners
bloomingdalera
American here. Not usually strangers. The occasional Mormon at your door or dude handing out pamphlets at the fair...most pressure 1/2
bloomingdalera
I've found comes from family.
adantj
As an apatheist, I don't care.
SanSamis
As an agnostic... I'm not really sure how I see you.
raifsevrence
Well, hopefully you see him as you *should* see everybody else; on an individual basis .
Trumpcard814
Are you a Dr. Pepper fan?
SlightlyRacistBanana69
As a blind guy, I see everyone as black.
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
As an omniscient being, I see everyone.
gummisnoppiz
As a blind guy, do you even know what black is?
ScottStevenson
Well played, gofatway. Well played.
fnoigy
I'm agnostic, but my grandma is Christian, and it's just fuel for her bottomless love and joy.
Blinkordeath182
Yes! My whole family is Catholic and I'm agnostic/atheist (I don't know lol) but they are all just the best people.
NachoDawg
Just to explain: agnosticism is a position on knowledge and atheism is a position on belief, you can be both or neither at the same time
emuthegreen
And then there's my brother who uses it to feel hate and anger beyond comprehension
Loosebowels
>agnostic
lucyjin
"Good" religious people are some of the most lovely people ever. I have two devout Catholic aunties and they're fantastic.
DammitMeredithWhereAreYourPanties
I love aunties.
Esion9302
We feed on the souls of the unbelieving.
TheOneWhoWasLeft
For my grandma, it's just fuel to be judgemental, cranky and make egoistical demands of my mom (whose health is almost worse than gran's).
fnoigy
I'd be willing to bet your grandma would just be a bitch no matter the religion.
TheOneWhoWasLeft
So she's a good person at heart, but now that I'm a grown up I see her bitchy side, and that one always comes with chapter & verse.
TheOneWhoWasLeft
She was the world's best grandma to the grandchildren (me) but she feels legitimized in making demands of her own daughter by her religion.
fnoigy
Ah.
fnoigy
Ah.
derpbread
oh no how did she lose her bottom? :(
fnoigy
FROM LOVE!!!
kenpokid4
Making it, anyway
notablequotableupvotable
I have relatives like that. I'm not particularly religious, but if it could experience it and live it the way they do, I would
jaxto
but you can. Why not talk to them about it?
notablequotableupvotable
I spent the first 18 years of my life praying, going to church, youth events, serving as a deaconess and on committees, but nothing clicked
LearnedCoward
This. Be a good and genuine person in whichever beliefs system resonates with you
Shadow113
Just ask God to let you, and to help you live FOR Him, thats what I did, its working out great for me! God bless. Hope it helped.
gingersnap87
Amen!
confuzzledtuna
Wat does that even mean?
capnsebastian
+1 for black/brown middle eastern jeseus
PedroAlvarez
وَٱنْتُمْ فَجَزَاكُمُ اللَّهُ خَيْرًا
break88
And to you as well!
ashtonsqueezes
Took the words straight out my mouth!
hashed4mashed
Jezsus*
Boofernut
Jeseus is the best
woogigooie
jes-eau-sue
IWRITEEVERYTHINGINCAPS
JEZEUS
ZiggyArcticfur
Im with you on that one.
Darkheartwarriorcat
He's everything
bbryant
Jesus was white though. Kinda tan
Catfactory
Not what wiki says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_appearance_of_Jesus#Emergence_of_racial_theories
LessThanHumbleScott
Got a picture of him?
TimeWoundsAllHeels
He was born in the middle east it's extremely unlikely he would have been Caucasian
LearnedCoward
If he was from the middle east, he would have been Caucasian. Not all Caucasians look like northern Europeans
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throwthisaway83
Not everyone in the middle-east is an Arab. Just look at Assyrians, Kurds, etc. Their skin can be just as pale as any 'white' South European
Fplo
Semi true, Look at the egyptian drawings of Assyirians/Syrians. They have al ighter tone, not ''white'' american style but Light brown.
throwthisaway83
Exactly, that's why I said South Europeans, which are closer. I don't know why people negged, probs butthurt libs who have an agenda.
onyalasagna
Is Jeseus Jesus and Zeus' celebrity couple name mash-up?
LearnedCoward
Pronounced Hey Zeus
CF21
Yo, that's God, not Jeseus. You know, Holy Trinity and all that.
BingleyBingleyBeep
Good sees us, standing with Jesus,, who vouches for us. That's Jesus, saying to God, "He's with me."
bangbangbangbang
Do people actually call Middle Easterners "black"? (not hating or firing shots, I've just never heard someone say it in my life)
AcadianBacon
We're all just shades of brown, using the invert image option in Photoshop told me so! :D
Grumpis
Instead of firing shots, use hammering nails.
Wordgirl
Believe it or not, we are considered a Caucasian/white race. I always have to fill form and there is no category for us. So, I googled it.
ForestRed
Caucasian =/= white
liamvo
white peope =/=white. I hope you meant this
LavaAxe
You know you white if the US embassy in your country doesn't have armed guards and the only American is the kind lady approving your visa.
LavaAxe
*only American you meet.
nelshai
It's mostly due to origin of Iran. Oddly enough the whole "Aryan" thing was from an Old Persian word/name that was appropriated by Indians.
nelshai
(2) The Nazis appropriated that word and used it to mean Germanic. But all the same it comes from Persia.
AxelYamanaka
And oddly enough, they also took the image of the Scandinavian male as their perfect Aryan.
subtlemrs
I think the slash indicates that it should be interpreted as EITHER black or brown or middle eastern (maybe they forgot a comma?).
bangbangbangbang
I gotcha, but I've heard people say "Jesus was black" who don't think Middle Easterners are black, so it always confuses me.
PastaIsLife
They actually think he was black for some reason then.
bangbangbangbang
Also, your username. I keep my imgur name soooo, soooooo sooooooo on the downlow so I don't end up with that problem. haha
Secsletariat
They probably mean coloured (in the sense of not white) and are mixing up terms.
bangbangbangbang
Gotcha. Good thinking.
msa011
And if I remember correctly there are a good deal of middle easterns that are white
Beestonian
I watched some documentaries on ISIS and I was amazed at how white a lot of them were
bobthewhaler
for your edification: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns0uRr6aPQE
Ryuuuuu
I think he or she meant that there are black people in the middle east.
TimothyTRiG
Historically, the word "black" had much broader application than it does now. In R Kipling and FH Burnett books, Indians are called black.
Marrafaqa873
Sand people is the correct term I believe.
Sauroctonus
I've heard people call people with anything more than a light tan "Black". From Indians, Pakistanis and Arabs, to Mexicans and Brazillians.
Sauroctonus
From my interpretation, "Black" refers to the various African races, due to their especially dark skin type. Most others are more tan to me.
ThatMomentWhenImgurJokesAreOnlyFunnyToImgurians
a lot of black ppl think jesus was black
TehRedPill
Don't say black and shots fired
Grumpis
Nails hammered.
TehRedPill
Also, don't say middle eastern and shots fired either
stayhumblebee
Pew pew
bangbangbangbang
This shit got sketchy fast. Hahaha.
wesdesto
It blew up in his face...Aloha Snackbar!
sorryfornocapitalssorryimsorry
that username
MotherOfOP
I always thought it was middle eastern and bombs exploded ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
SirIcyAcorns
White cop and shots fired?
Innuendobot5000
Who the fuck is Fred?
ItsSneakyAdolf
It's because of people like you that I wish I could favorite comments
ItsSneakyAdolf
It's because of people like you that I wish I could favorite comments
Cheesecakecrush
Someone might get arrested
mediaman73
"Middle East" includes North Africa through South Asia. Egypt shares a border with Sudan. Libya shares a border with Chad.
mediaman73
People in Nazareth today tend to be more Caucasian, but that's after millenia of intermingling with people, globally.
TheWhiteRaven86
But.. he said it was God?
CanadiansWilllRule
CHRISTIAN NEEDED Can someone explain the Trinity please? I've never understood how the three parts are linked and would like to!
Timexican
(2/?) You typically refer to them as one unit (a couple). It's strange to refer to them separately unless they are separate physically.
piggypiglet
Why would you expect religion to make sense?
mallorykeaton
Grew up in the church. Jesus is the human embodiment of God. Holy Spirit, or Ghost, is felt in one's heart or soul. HG grants "callings" 1/?
Timexican
(3/?) Now imagine the same couple together since infinity and until infinity. They are separate beings who act in perfect unison.
Timexican
(4/4)Thus you have the trinity. In the bible they refer to themselves in the plural. There are 3 beings, but considered one like a business.
Timexican
Christianity is based on Love (regardless of what you might see). Imagine an old couple that have been married for 60+ years. (1/?)
mallorykeaton
Him. Happy to answer any questions! No longer a practicing Christian, I still believe strongly in Jesus' message and Christian doctrine. 3/3
mallorykeaton
And testimonies, works through Christians. God is The Creator, kind of the head honcho figure. They are all God, just different parts of 2/?
Joeytje50
http://epignosisministries.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/trinity-symbol.jpg?w=500&h=450 as posted by @ibeforeeexceptwhenitsweird
ibeforeeexceptwhenitsweird
http://epignosisministries.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/trinity-symbol.jpg?w=500&h=450
ibeforeeexceptwhenitsweird
Hope this helps!
capnsebastian
So...Morgan Freeman?
TamingCyclones
The Trinity is a comolex concept. God is composed of three people, the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit
torpedotor
I would guess that it's from God's POV, looking at OP and Jesus.
TheWhiteRaven86
Ahh yeah that makes more sense, ty
DarkCrawler901
If God made us in his image and we started out from Africa...
IJustWantToSetMyBoobsFree
Jesus is God in the Christian faith, yeah?
shuttlecockinakumquat
Think of it like when Goku merged with Shenron at the end of DB GT.
tehshammay
A little late to the party, but us Mormons at least believe that there are 3 separate individual beings, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
howlongcantheimgurusernamesevenge
There is a denomination, but if you study, then it is shown that Jesus is the SON of God, but not God himself.
WilhelmvonSchlapphand
Depends on the sect in most cases. So you'll get almost as many answers as you have Christian sects.
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Studoku
Dum dum dum dum duuuuuum.
domenick91
So he sends himself to earth via Marry?
MenstrualMonster
Son of God is what my understanding is.
r4c7
He is also God. Each part of the trinity is a part of God.
MenstrualMonster
Some believe in the Trinity, some don't.
TheWhiteRaven86
Way I understand it, There's the Father (God), the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit which is like, the embodiment of good.
Randomcomma
Different aspects of the same god. Jesus is definitely held as God. CHRISTianity, you know?
IJustWantToSetMyBoobsFree
Yeah, but the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit are God, but they aren't each other. So Jesus is God.
howlongcantheimgurusernamesevenge
Jesus is just the son of God, you know how someones son acts like they do, and stuff like that, it's the same with Jesus and God, son/father
ThoseEyebrows
They're all a part of the Holy Trinity, though. Together they are a God.
Buttermycrumpets
Yeah, kinda like Voltron
lucus
Together and separately, I think.
Tlachinolli
As a Christian, how other Christians see me is what's most upsetting. Accepting science and not being far-right doesn't make me satan...
iLikeLanguageandJustWanttoHelpplsdonthitme
I presume you mean accepting evolution? Cause I'm pretty sure most, if not all, christians accept science..
youaresoverywrong
you would be distressingly surprised.
iLikeLanguageandJustWanttoHelpplsdonthitme
I have yet to meet a christian, online or othrewise, that didn't accept science. Care to give me any statistcs or anything to prove ur point
thebadmanpuntedbaxter
I'm a Christian and I accept science. I also believe in micro-evolution. Not so sure about macro though. Seems a bit far fetched.
InboxMeYourBassetHounds
But magic man in the sky is not far fetched. Just my 2 cents.
thebadmanpuntedbaxter
Much easier for me to believe in a creator than having evolved to this complex human being from a self-replicating single cell organism.
EternalAzhrei
Magic man in the sky is a Straw Man argument. If you want to understand why we believe what we do (your choice) maybe look past that.
Trollhydra
micro and macro evolution are essentially the same thing. You're also ignoring mountains of evidence like fossil records.
thebadmanpuntedbaxter
Imgur isn't the place for this discussion. 180 characters is too few. Let's just agree to let each other believe what they believe :)
saraddictive
I actually enjoyed this. Thank you for sharing.
daviddantes
More like this at http://adam4d.com
WilhelmvonSchlapphand
Now do one for Jews, Muslims, Hindu, Buddhist and whatever major religion you can think of. (Maybe PC Masterrace too?)
romans8
Same here, I was expecting an overly politically correct post (usually thats all that makes it to most viral), but this was good :)
judman7da7superhero
As an athiest i dont care what your beliefs are just as long as your a good person and also say please, thank you, and excuse me.
thisheretexasdude
Umm...excuse me, please ....thank you!
FloridaMansSideKick
you're
DontBlameMeIVotedForRonSwanson
lol
InboxMeYourOods
any christian who doesn't do that isn't a christian
ThatMomentWhenImgurJokesAreOnlyFunnyToImgurians
annnnd keep religion out of the science classroom- neil degrasse tyson
YamatoIouko
Seriously. If you can't reconcile your faith with science, at least keep them apart.
UnspokenX
Same here. Only time I have a problem is when people use it as a club or an "I'm-better-than-you-are" chant.
Imgurprettymuchsucks
So did I, but it is rolling in the downvotes. People can be so pissy.
StrawberryPrincess92
As long as you Ain't the kind of Christian who wants to remove the separation of Church and State, we're cool.
MitchLahm
Multiple historical Christian leaders such as Martin luther actually oppose state religion
StrawberryPrincess92
And they aren't my issue, Bible Thumping Southerners are. (I live in Texas)
iliketokeepitsimplestupid
Woah. So religion isn't supposed to be law? Funny how that doesn't see to work...
colacp
A state religion and have laws based on religious laws are two different things.
SimiKusoni
Plus it doesn't really count as "based on religious laws" when they're simply basic moral codes (1/2)
SimiKusoni
Especially when those codes arose due to evolutionary conditioning.
colacp
Basic moral code, as established by a religion considered radical 5,000 years ago sure.
SimiKusoni
Basic moral code, as established over hundreds of thousands of generations of adaption to a social environment. Sure.
foxearredasshole
It does when not everyone has those same "morals".
Ishdakitty
What kills me is when the Christian types want to replace science with "bible story time." I went to a Catholic high school. I've seen it.
Nicholascagewithacoathangerandnicklebackalbums
Mark 12:17 ...“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s"... Even Jesus opposed a theocracy
StrawberryPrincess92
in Context Jesus said that only because the Pharises were trying to gode him into saying something that would get him arrested
JonnyRaygun
I guess to anyone who hasn't read that verse you could spin it that way.
cupOjoe96
Out of context but I guess
SlightlyRacistBanana69
That's from a statement about paying taxes. You're not going to get much more of a political commentary from Jesus than that.
demut
Yes, you are.
Quiby
If you study the meanings... it doesnt just mean taxes.
FartedWhileMakingUpName
And Jesus said: "Here I present unto you the proposition known as 18-6C, a part of the larger piece of legislation known as the Thompson Re-
Summonsays
I lol'd.
AaronGodgers
Separathion of church and state is viewed as good by some Christians, bc it keeps the state from curruption religion, not vice versa. (1/2)
McFarvo
+1 secular pluralism is key, (never go full USSR/PRC militant atheism, for sure)
elliedoodles
This^ I don't care what you believe, but as soon as you start trying to write public policy you need something better than "god says so".
homosensuel
As a christian who believes that God is the ultimate authority it makes sense to me have a theocracy, but seeing as we cannot communicate1/2
ZRod
Religion had its chance to lead for thousands of years. It failed every single time.
dashruleseverythingaroundme
Your username and your opinions do not match up...
homosensuel
Directly with God, it would end up being a dictatorship run by "religious leaders" much like the catholic church before luther came along
OneViolentMind
There is not such thing. Read the Constitution.
IHaveTenderLoins
Church run religion destroys the church. Look at the Roman Empire. If they had stayed separate, both church and gov't would have been strong
AaronGodgers
See Saint Augustine of hippo
colacp
I've yet to meet a Christian that wants a state religion. They do, however, want laws that reflect their morals. And who doesn't?
StrawberryPrincess92
as a Texan, I've met plenty who want nativity scenes on public grounds, prayer in schools, et cetera
colacp
That's not a state religion. A state religion would be if Billy Graham had veto power. Or if the Pope ruled us for life.
StrawberryPrincess92
right but what I said IS a violation of Church and State, I never mentioned State religions, you did.
colacp
Separation of Church and State is simply that there will not be established an official state religion. Aka the Establishment Clause.
ImChrisHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaansen
That's how the crusades got started! (Btw: Christian too. God bless you all!!)
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
As long as you are the type of atheist who actually knows what separation of church and state means then ya, we're definitely cool.
StrawberryPrincess92
It means god shouldn't be on our money. and the 10 commandments don't belong in our courthouses
SaintMaceToTheFace
What is so offensive about the 10 Commandments? It's literally a blueprint on how to be a good person.
YamatoIouko
Remove? Fuck, I love that shit!
Retsam19
I've never met a Christian who wants to institute a state-run religion. Beyond that it gets a bit subjective.
Retsam19
When a group of people with a shared belief get together and try to make laws on what they believe: that's Democracy, not Theocracy.
notablequotableupvotable
Or a lot subjective, really
AttorneyAtLager
I've met plenty. Grew up with fundamentalist Methodists that were all for the state enforcing their specific faith.
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Counterfit
Chuck Norris. Basically anybody that says the US was founded as a Christian nation
SaintMaceToTheFace
The United States is a Christian nation because the majority of its citizens follow that religion
Retsam19
Basically anyone who has a certain historical belief is trying to institute a theocracy? That's an interesting theory.
StrawberryPrincess92
As a Texan I've met plenty who want nativity scenes on government property or organized prayer in schools
Retsam19
If you think "nativity scenes on gov't property" is what a "state-run religion" is, then http://imgur.com/el81hNl
StrawberryPrincess92
I don't, but I do think it's a violation of the separation of church and state.
Retsam19
I can see where you might have that view, but as my original comment said, I think that's where the definition becomes subjective.
ilikebreakfast
Not a state-run religion, but a religion-run state. Or at least one strongly maneuvered by religion.
Retsam19
How do you propose to have a democracy, with a large majority of a specific faith, and not end up strongly influenced by that faith?
Kokihi
There are plenty of Christians that site their religion as a reason to legally ban things.
Retsam19
A lot of people want a lot of things legally banned for a lot of different beliefs not shared by others. Why single out religion?
Kokihi
Because the topic of discussion was Christianity and law?
Retsam19
Right, but why is it Democracy when one wants to ban something for nonreligious reasons but not-Democracy when they're religious reasons?
SlightlyRacistBanana69
Atheists don't have the same beliefs as Christians so arguing with you on this point is literally useless.
SAWhowhatnow
It doesn't matter. Your beliefs shouldn't limit the actions of people that don't have that belief.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
They should if there's reasonable justification to do so. What counts as reasonable justification? Some might argue "Because God says so."
HorridoH
True, especially since we have the Constitution to protect us.
Kokihi
I'm confused. Are you saying I'm an atheist, or you are?
SimiKusoni
I think the idea is that complete seperation of church and state is necessary to prevent a theocracy arising
HorridoH
I think the idea is Freedom
Retsam19
But again, you're not defining "complete separation of Church and State", what does that mean? No religious allowed to run for office?
SimiKusoni
It depends on your country, I was presuming the guy before was American in which case it means no law recognizing a religion, or (1/2)
SimiKusoni
(2/2) or prohibitibing the practicing of a specific religion. And no religious tests for office or public trust etc.
SimiKusoni
Any less than that, and you risk those in power pandering to a particular religious demographic at the expense of others.
MetalJesus
That's already happening with the Religious Right in the U.S.
SimiKusoni
That doesn't really surprise me too much, fortunately religion is kind of a non-issue throughout most of the EU. (For now at least)
liliputian7
Well, you can't get too far with it. Like, remember when they banned students from writing the 10 Commandments? That was silly.
TheBlackShakes
When and where did that happen?
liliputian7
Shit, I'll have to ask someone. But I'd rather not go out and scour for a source or whatever. Not important enough.
ARuggedlyHandsomeStarshipCaptain
He's probably referring to when public schools had to stop promoting Christianity, taking out mandatory Bible readings and class prayer.
liliputian7
... Shit, I had a source. What happened was, for a writing project, some kid did the Commandments, and they didn't let him put it up.
Trollhydra
I'm gonna guess it didn't in the context he's saying
SimiKusoni
I sincerely hope that children aren't being forced to do this outside of RE, at least not in a state sponsored school.
coldwelder
I'm an atheist and most of the world treats me like im evil...
szepasszony
It might have something to do with them thinking you should be tortured for eternity. (yet atheists are the 'hateful' ones).
beansofthunder
I was a pastor for three years....You are not evil, friend.
IPeakedinSecondGrade
I'm an atheist and I'm evil but people treat me nicely
Kpizza96
As a Christian I don't care what you believe as long as you're not a jerk about it
thatmanmoe
As an ex muslim, you think you have it bad eh?
YamatoIouko
Americans can be divisive on religion, and good atheists and theists get caught in the crossfire all the time. I'm sure you're not evil.
EveryChickenInThisPlace
I don't mind atheists or any group. But when people try to stomp all over other peoples beliefs that's not cool!
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
Yeah! That's why you always downvote people who trash Westboro Baptist Church and ISIS, right?
EveryChickenInThisPlace
Wow, that's completely different there bud. But nice try :)
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
What makes WBC beliefs completely different? Or are you saying actively downvoting is distinct from generally condemning through text?
EveryChickenInThisPlace
The fact that they actively attack other people, and they are attacking others for having different beliefs. Refer to first post.
jsd3306
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. 1/
carcusgod
-Albert Einstein
jsd3306
Correct :)
jsd3306
Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." 2/2
HydrochloricKitten
Christians rather agree with this, btw. Love of God, not fear of hell. Such a shame everyone things it's 'all about hell.' 1/2
HydrochloricKitten
2/2 Salvation and Hell play a role, to be sure, and different from person to person, but following Jesus isn't about fear.
DeputyChiefJudgeFish
Cmon over to merry olde England. You'll be welcome, we tend not to get too worked up over religion these days.
jsd3306
Alternately, this works. "I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law."
jsd3306
Just replace "law" with "god".
HydrochloricKitten
Well put.
MundaneFacts
Still god's law :)
graehall
Yep. Just more victim culture from the most powerful single group in the US.
unagiwarrior
It's apparently more acceptable to be gay than to be an atheist in our current society.
TimeWoundsAllHeels
Why are you comparing the two...why wouldn't it be completely acceptable to be gay?
unagiwarrior
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2009/09/19/research-finds-that-atheists-are-most-hated-and-distrusted-minority/
unagiwarrior
That's just one poll. There's another one by Gallup.
unagiwarrior
It's not me it was a poll taken in the US, listing things.
TimeWoundsAllHeels
That's fine but just say atheists are hated, don't say it as if its strange that gay people are accepted
SlightlyRacistBanana69
Well, I mean, atheists can get married in all states so I don't know about that.
unagiwarrior
I said most disliked not most disparaged.
wolfoftheshire
Trust me when I say that they'd love to make us unable to get married too. We just happen to hear that our marriages mean nothing anyway.
jsd3306
It means something to the govt, and after all, that is all that really matters beyond personal commitment...
wolfoftheshire
This is true.
Ihave6cats
Because most people are uneducated and think atheist means satan worshipper just like me being a Christian means Bible thumper.
GANAWA
I never understand when a Christian claims that the majority of U.S. society is prejudiced AGAINST them. So inaccurate.
MyUserNameIsAproposOfNothing
I hear ya. To be fair, as an atheist, I usually am Neutral Good.
endbit
I'm an apatheist, I don't care how other people see me.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
An apatheist would seem to be more of a "I don't care if there's a God or not" than "I don't care about people's reactions to my belief".
endbit
Why not both? Not that I care.
rb1685
Every atheist i know is a condescending asshole.
SunnyDehlight
I'm an Atheist and I NEVER bring up religion at all unless the person next to me starts talking shit first.
RoboLuddite
Well, how many people do you inquire into the beliefs of? If you're just judging by the evangelical sorts, well, same for any belief...
daniggaword
As a christian, idgaf what people believe. As long as we can laugh together we will have a good time. :-)
heyheynow
It's probably all the babies you've eaten...
specklemuffins
Ditto. It's like people assume I have no standards or morals. Of course I do, I just get to define what they are!
MollyNapQueen
As a Swedish atheist, move to Sweden. It's one of the most atheist countries in the world. I don't know one person who is religious.
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insertinterestingusernameplease
Well im here and im Catholic so i guess you know one :P
coldwelder
I have long thought about moving to Sweden actually...
Klnwltrnk
That would be nice, but we're needed here in the US. It would be hard to fix the problem from that far away.
SunnyDehlight
Sweden sounds pretty Dope.... Me thinks I would love it there.
DeputyChiefJudgeFish
Can we just come to Sweden anyway? Took a short break in Stockholm last year and I didn't want to leave by the end. Lovely place.
TheQUARRYTheBOULDERSLesserKnownFather
Or Prague. Highest concentration of atheists in the world if I'm correct.
SimiKusoni
Same in the UK, I know alot of people who class themselves as Christians but none actually believe.
SimiKusoni
This is also why I'm always very skeptical of self reporting polls :P
ChefHannibal
I wish i could. Immigrating is not easy or cheap. I've tried.
Anewusernameanewdstart
Find a Swedish girl/boyfriend then it is really easy. At least compared to the US
Corrodias
It always comes back to step 1.
endbit
Im Australian where I'm only judged by the beer I bring.
derpbread
according to wiki 67.5% of people in Sweden are members of the church (though not necessary Christian), don't you know any who are? o.o
GentlemanScientist
My first contact with an openly religious person (that wasn't a priest) was a Jehova's handing out pamphlets, I was 16 at the time.
khora
There used to be a state church that "everyone" was in. Not anymore, but you have to fill out a form to exit.
Dragorn
Same in Finland. People are members of the church mostly because it's a tradition. Some want to be married in a church. It changes slowly.
GentlemanScientist
When you're born in Sweden you automatically get registered for the Swedish Church and people usually doesn't bother to cancel.
swedishsquish
A lot of kids get confirmed in Sweden too. It's not about the religious part...more like tradition, if that makes sense.
Trollhydra
Isn't it extremely difficult to be let into sweden?
khora
Not as long as you come from the middle east...
shibbytothelibby
No it is actually very easy.
LP1988
/If you are from Norway/Denmark or Europe.
shibbytothelibby
Or any other developed country really.
Trollhydra
*ponders*
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MundaneFacts
I don't think you're evil!
WouldYouLikeSomeBaileysImOldGregg
I don't believe in evil. Just an all-encompassing universal sense of cruel irony.
jordyjordy
As a Christian, this is an eye opening statement for me. Shouldn't we all just be respectful of everybody's beliefs, no matter what they are
ShamnusMcfee
Or the Crusades or witch hunts or pedophile priests. Go fuck yourself.
MundaneFacts
They aren't doing that whole "live and let live" thing. Now are they?
HydrochloricKitten
Should, yes. But humans are still in extensive beta test and not all units DL and install the updates.
beardyfaceguy
As an atheist, I think we should be respectful of 'each other'. Since some beliefs are bat shit crazy though. I just try to smile and nod.
Horus175
"I don't respect your beliefs, only your right to have them." is my typical response.
colacp
Live and let live, right? So, no need to stop ISIS or Nazis or Stalinism or Spanish Inquisition...
jordyjordy
That's not really the point I was making. I think you can be respectful of people's beliefs but not let them get away with genocide.
jordyjordy
But I see the point you're making.
HydrochloricKitten
I support ISIL to believe what it believes. Not doing what it's doing. Do note the difference.
RoboLuddite
I can agree that they should be able to believe what they believe but not do what they do, but fuck being respectful of it!
SoOddICantEven
Well they believe that its a good thing to kill apostates and infidels, so...
colacp
There is no difference as they believe they must take those actions. Stop trying to be so accepting, its bad for the planet.
HydrochloricKitten
If you can tell them what they are allowed to think, a) then someone can tell YOU what to think, and b) who made you though police arbitrer?
Bolognapogna
That's because there's tons of asshole atheists in the work force that insult other beliefs openly. Not all are like that. You're proof. ^_^
Beardgoesalltheway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNoQ5NY7Z_8
odamanda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Demographics
SentientFlapjack
Have you even met 2% of the people in the world? Its all in your head dude.
Horus175
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists
SentientFlapjack
-_- i cant even
Xynatox
As a Christian, yeah pretty much. But not because you're an atheist. I think everybody is evil but capable of good acts.
SAWhowhatnow
That's such a sad way to live your life. I hope you eventually learn to see the inherent good in everyone.
lightningboltkid1
Sorry, as a Christain. You're okay to me. Want to share a beer and a Turkey Sandwich? :)
coldwelder
Yes, I realize this is 3 months late but now i have lots of turkey.
lightningboltkid1
I forget why I said Turkey Sandwich,... now I just want beer.
DavidAndrews
I just lie when people ask me. And since I live in the south I get asked basically any time i talk to a stranger.
MyLuggageAteMyHomework
I'm a Christian and a lot of the world thinks I'm evil too. Fwiends? :3
ImGLaDYouCame
..can we be friends?
MyLuggageAteMyHomework
Yes! Make ALL the friends! :D
Jerenemy
This seems to be the typical response from a Christian to an Atheist... rarely the other way around.
MyLuggageAteMyHomework
You'd be surprised, actually
ZRod
As an Atheist in Texas, nope, Christians love to look down on me!
flyufoolz
As a Christian in Canada...sorry, but I see you as an equal.
AttorneyAtLager
One of the most reviled groups in the US. Comes in first on all surveys of prejudice.
alltheleaves
it's just because we're oppressing christians so much
Horus175
Must be all those atheist senators/congresspersons... all 0 of them.
Jerenemy
Surveys conducted by atheists with atheists.*
icommentonthings
http://www.pewforum.org/2014/07/16/how-americans-feel-about-religious-groups/ yea... fucking Pew man
D0cH0lliday
911 what's the emergency? Third degree burns you say? We're sending an ambulance immediately stay calm.
bionerd
Growing up in Massachusetts, this is crazy to me. The vast majority of people I know are nonreligious.
Bucaneer181
Same here to strengthen your comment
icommentonthings
Honestly? I think it is because Mass is one of the most educated states. Ivy league schools, students stay after and have smart babies.
ireshirker
I can't find it right now, but Mass compares quite favorably against the top countries in education.
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
But studies show that education has no correlation with how religious someone is.
kittiesaresoft
I don't have the energy to cite sources right now, but I've been told the exact opposite of that.
colacp
Atheist or Attorneys?
Anewusernameanewdstart
Indeed
Mickstack
As an atheist attorney...
Frederf
An attorney can become President.
LokiKingOfJotunheim
An atheist technically could become President, but it wouldn't be likely.
WeCanAllPhoneHomeTogether
IsisSecretAgent
Bullshit. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.
Horus175
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists
Stonebank
NICE TRY ISIS.
Trollhydra
If the op is in the us 80% of the pop is christian. I don't understand the whole "we are victims" thing by christians.
MundaneFacts
Well, 73 percent. Plus I would say that it's the Republicans that are "persecuted" by people who are against a theocracy.
theleftshark
Many people say they are Christians when they aren't. Going to church doesn't make you a Christian. Neither does believing in a higher power
dbrsong
Where was the victims chant? Just a real perspective of different views. Seemed legit
SassyDancingMexicanSwordGuy
Can't argue against insanity.
TimeWoundsAllHeels
So all Christians are insane? Yeah, saying that makes you much better than the Christians who condemn atheists
SassyDancingMexicanSwordGuy
Ignoring scientific facts and replacing it with ancient dogma is a pretty insane thing to do.
MundaneFacts
Talking offense to this doesn't make you seem sane. (I'm a Christian)
TimeWoundsAllHeels
I didn't say I was offended, I'm saying it's hypocritical.
kraziekandy
80% of the population PROFESSES christianity. And then go and fuck it up for the rest of us. See: Westboro "Baptist Church."
EruditeAphrodite
You do know that Westboro only has around 100 members, right?
whateversomethingdifferentiguessfkit
Hate to be 'that guy' but this is called a No True Scotsman fallacy.
kraziekandy
In terms of that fallacy, it's like a German man claiming to be a Scotsman. He simply isn't who he claims to be.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
So someone interpreting Christ's (and God's, through Old Testament) teachings differently than you isn't Christian? Uh huh.
kraziekandy
Just pointing out that there IS a difference between the Bible-thumping protestors at pride parades and what Jesus actually told us to do.
whateversomethingdifferentiguessfkit
There's discussion as to if Leviticus still applies. It was applicable at some point though, which I find distasteful to say the least.
OscarsEstus
Not victim really, just that our bad side, like our retarded cousins at westboro, gets all the attention instead of good Christians.
vegivamp
If there's so many "good" ones, maybe they should do something about the assholes sometime.
OscarsEstus
I could equally argue the same thing about athiests, muslims, or any other religion.
vegivamp
No argument from me there. I'd love to pretend that all us atheists are innocent do-gooders, but that'd be far from the truth. The main >
vegivamp
2> thing we've got going, is that we can't really go off and kill the non-believers :-p
BreadyStinellis
In my personal experience these "good Christians"are awfully few and far between.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
It probably has more to do with access and coverage than reality. Think of how people characterize the "silence" of good Muslims.
Jerenemy
Majority doesn't equal acceptance. Africa is 80% black, yet whites still hold a majority of the jobs, money, power.
Trollhydra
And? its nearly impossible for atheists to get into positions of power in the US since we don't "answer to a higher power"
SAWhowhatnow
You're right. Maybe someday Christians will hold CEO and political positions. And, Lord willing, maybe even President. 44 times in a row.
MundaneFacts
43* Obama is an atheist Muslim.
acidosaur
That is true but doesn't apply to christians in the US.
MalayanTapir
The atheist demographic is much larger on Imgur than in real life so perhaps it is more likely for a christian to be persecuted/bullied.
stallthedigger
'persecuted / bullied'... No. The word you're looking for is 'criticised'. Modern Christians seem to have forgotten the difference.
MrJohnsonAndTheJuiceCrew
more likely? its almost guaranteed
Trollhydra
Not really, if you actually take a second to look imgur is very pro christian. They just make fun of the retarded things.
SaintMaceToTheFace
Are you serious?
DarkCrawler901
You can't be persecuted on the internet, Jesus. Look at Iraq to see some real Christian persecution.
McFarvo
yeah, straight up beheadings, ya'll
whateversomethingdifferentiguessfkit
You could exchange some harsh language, but "persecuted / bullied" is more than a little extreme.
Zypherfier
I'unno, I actually believed when I was really young...like, Elementary/Middle school. Got shoved against lockers more than a few times [1/2]
Zypherfier
because of it. Just because it's the 'majority belief' doesn't mean you can't be bullied for it; just that it's less likely. [2/2]
MalayanTapir
Yeah that's true. I think my point is that it's feasible for Christians to get bullied on the web despite being a big part of the population
whateversomethingdifferentiguessfkit
The internet: where anyone can say/be/do nearly anything from anywhere, so what happens to you is largely your own responsibility.
Jerenemy
TIL "harsh language" =/= bullying.
whateversomethingdifferentiguessfkit
When you can stop it by simply not participating (logging off, etc), I can't justify calling that "bullying."
MollyNapQueen
Yeah, no christian has ever been tortured by an atheist for being a believer but the opposite has happened frequently.
derpbread
bad things other atheists have done (ie Stalin) on the basis that 'atheism isn't a belief' so it doesn't count. which makes that entire (2)
Klingon00
There are examples of bad atheists as well as in any group: http://murderpedia.org/male.W/w/waters-david.htm
SlightlyRacistBanana69
Cassie Bernall, Columbine. Shot because she said she was a Christian. Boom.
kongurous
I won't repeat what I said to your other comment claiming this, but wow, check your facts and check your tone, dude.
Bolognapogna
No, Christians and other religions just get insulted and made fun of in the work environment. Being in a leadership slot, I see this a lot.
SAWhowhatnow
If the worst they get is some mean words then they can't really call that persecution.
thewordsoftheprophetsarewrittenonthesubwaywall
oh quit pretending there is some huge conspiracy of hidden atheist beatings. All atheists get are mean words too
sheshazelnuts
Tumblr disagrees with you
birdlife
iv been mocked for my faith many times, especially at work.
Jerenemy
Yeah no Christian has, oh i don't know, been beheaded recently... get your facts straight, learn to leave particular groups alone.
CaptainHightower
No, I know of not one single christian that has been beheaded by an atheist recently. So she does have her facts straight.
Jerenemy
Her point was Christians inflict violence is wrong. They are most certainly the recipient, whereas Atheists are not. She is wrong.
MasterNameless
You ever hear of this guy called Joseph Stalin?
lemonsherbet
+1
Anewusernameanewdstart
"In the us"
SlightlyRacistBanana69
Cassie Bernall, shot in the Columbine shootings because she said she was a Christian.
D0cH0lliday
Did he do what he did in the name of atheism? Like how christians burned heretics in the name of god? No? So that's irrelevant.
derpbread
because atheism is not a belief, it is impossible to do something in the name of atheism, so your point is irrelevant. as for the torture,
derpbread
'no christian has ever been tortured by an athiest' argument pointless (3)
zombiecleo
does bad things. To make a good man do bad things, that requires religion."
ambiguoussmash
The argument I've always heard was that it was never done in the reason of atheism, if that makes sense. It's reeeeally early here.
zombiecleo
No atheist has tortured people to deconvert them is the point that's being made. Every group has jackholes. " A bad man does (1)
derpbread
can be as bad as each other (4)
derpbread
but then what do you make of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union
derpbread
I mean youre right, every group has assholes, and I think that current atheism isn't as bad as many 'Christians' in the US and RU (2)
derpbread
but a lot of the time it seems like atheists try to make a point of religion being far far worse, (ie your quote), when really everyone (3)
derpbread
idk, ive always had a problem with this type of argument, for 1 atheism hasnt been around nearly as long, and 2 atheists tend to ignore (1)
DominusValum
Atheism has been around for as long as religion. It's just that now it's much more acceptable to be one than before in history.
derpbread
hmm yeah my bad, I was sorta assuming it more or less started around the enlightenment era, idk why
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
To clarify, it isn't that atheists didn't exist in history... it's that they tended to get, well, killed or banished.